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Sounds interesting. Specially since Cops appear to be doing it for Army brass as well.
Does anyone have first hand knowledge of this? PSD Airmen provide safe transport, protection to senior ranks
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Interesting....I always thought PSD was an OSI mission.
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Without going down some rabbit holes here (and getting into discussions we don't need to have here), there are a lot of missions we're doing that folks would be very surprised to learn about.
Not huge numbers, but big enough. Not everyone sits around the gate shack checking line badges. There are SF troops doing plenty of mission normally assigned to "others." |
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I've seen this guy before. He was in the green zone back in 07 I think. Interesting crew they had back then. But I've have seen alot of those people come and go some good, some crappy. Well surprize us with some info. I think of the missions get a bit blow out of proportion IMHO. I mean come on they aren't out there doing DA missions now are they.
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Whatever...I guess it beats standing checkpoint/gate duty for 12 hours. Wished that they had the PSD gig back when I was in. In 1997 I spent a little over four months in Kuwiat. Stood gates and towers. Three days on, 12 hour shifts, one off day off. The one day off, was spent on camp cleaning details. Good times.....
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I thought maybe you were MIA again. Glad to see you're still kicking. Not doing DA to be sure. Nobody is a D Boy or SEAL but we do have folks doing things that have got a lot of other folks killed. A lot of these outside the box missions aren't rocket science but on the other hand, you turn the clock back 6 or 7 years and if you tried to sell the AF on SF doing these missions you would have gotten thrown out of the room. Now we get the missions whether we like/want them or not. I would expect K9Jake can probably talk about some of the K9 jobs the MWD guys have gotten dragged into. A lot of those guys have seen the elephant in a big way...I would even say to include DA. |
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From 2001 to 2006 I was on a government supported detail with 15 guys, all of whom were deputized by USMS for the mission. Out of all of us, we only had one prior Air Force guy. He was Security Forces but was hand selected by Gen. Meyer back when he was a 2 or 3 star in Hawaii. He brought the SF troop with him when he became the CJCS. Although it was an Army CID detail, his primary PSO was an AF SF troop.
He was awesome and one of the reasons I joined AF SF in the Guard after I left that gig. BTW, everyone else was either prior Army or Marines. CID, Special Forces, Battalion Ranger, Marine Security Guard and Infantry. I'll honestly admit that one of the top guys was in fact our Air Force dude. |
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157, I'm good to go, just got back home for a little R&R. True what you said about the mission shift. I have seen K9 dudes imbedded with various units that were not AF. Hats off to those guys. It just amazes me when I sit next to a young AF kid and he is trying to tell me that he was part of a TS counter intel delta team in Iraq. Yes the BS flag flew pretty strong with this kid. But I didn't say a word, thanked him for his service and had the flight attendant get him a couple of drinks. As for AF PSD I can't say I have seen a team with all AF personnel. I have know a few friends that were part of a joint service ones. I have witnessed some real clown shows involving AF personnel and a few big Army ones. But that would be for future discussions. Hey maybe since this guy is a DL in A-stan maybe they will send that high speed dagre team over and run some roads. Novel thought???? Too Easy...Cabo |
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Got pulled into a DV detachment once during Bright Star, and later in Turkey. The Bright Star mission was pretty straightforward- armed security to accompany w/DSG or Egyptian drivers for DVs. Got to stay in the Hilton and the AF shelled out for very nice civvies.In Turkey, it was a reaction after intel came close to completely dropping the ball and they rapidly needed troops who knew the language and customs and there were a number of us waiting to clear out of country for PCSs. Although we obviously weren't nearly as high speed and low drag as the current mercenaries that the US gov't currently employs, in both cases, all persons(Principals and Security) made it through alive.
But, I see that someone is going to divert this down a rabbit hole, so, having said my piece, I'll exit now. |
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Sorry Bob, but the US goverment doesn't hire mercenaries to provide security for the US goverment or it's interests. We are called private security contractors, you might want to look up the definition of the word mercenary first. But we are damn good at what we do, haven't lost a principle to date. Not bad for a bunch of civilians. |
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Cabo, now play nice with the other kids...
(I assume he meant contractors with the term mercenary...true mercs dont get 401s and insurance plans, do they? Heres a question...do you guys think the bad guys are really interested in our "principal" types? Our high value targets? I think they are more interested in killing as many easy targets as possible, spreading fear in the rank and file if you will, and leaving the hard targets be. Thoughts? |
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From what I've seen in Iraq, they do their killing and maiming indiscriminantly. They try to kill their own, their religious foes, their brother Iraqi security people, CF, and contractors. They just dont care. If they'd somehow get intel on HVI's, and if they had the means to do anything, theyd say it was "Allah's will" and hope that their next vision wouild be of 72 virgins. Not quite sure about A-stan though. |
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The Free Dictionary gives the definition:
Soldier hired by the army of another country or by a private army. I believe that a privately held corporation(accountable to no one but themselves) hiring military personnel, posessing military weapons,owning and operating armored/armed vehicles(including a fleet of armed aircraft), and engaging in combat would qualify as a private army. The Geneva Conventions, as far as I can find(either in print or online) doesn't have a classification or definition for the term Private Security Contractor, but it seems to mention mercenaries and it pretty closely matches what the currently politically correct/acceptable term Private Security Contractor does. |
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LOL!!!!! First dude we are not hired by another country and we are not military. And if by engaging in combat means returning fire to protect our principle and defend ourselves you might be correct there. But it's funny that guys like you that don't work in this line of work are the first ones to talk sh@t and always attempt to show PSC's in a negative light. You are seem to act like some of the folks I have ran into lately. While AD you talk trash about security companies, but when it is close to hitting the retire button you want a hook up. I know of another retired AF cop that works for a PSC and he gets hit up for getting the inside line for work everytime he goes home or is around AF people down range that know him. He thinks it funny and laughs them off. How about you just stay on the sidelines on this topic, because you definitely are not on the field. |
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FYI - It's principal, not principle.
You may continue |
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Stonewall, I beg of you a 1000 pardons. It was a little early in the AM. But thanks for backing a brother up. |
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I did PSD a few times at camp as sayliyah. It was my favorite thing i have done so far. I would jump on every opportunity to do it again.
It was an all airforce team and it was mainly for visiting generals of all service branches. It was wierd because it was an Army base? |
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Yeah, not so much. First off where did get your training to do PSO/PSD work? If you were just picked and have had no formal training, well that's not the same thing. And doing PSD in Iraq and A-stan is way different than what "PSD" you did in Qatar. Sorry but's that is just the reality of it. |
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you got me there. i was just saying that there were opportunites to do it. I was in no way comparing it to Iraq or A-stan. we did the training in house with a few people that had been to the 'school' for about a week. Can't recall what school it was. |
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