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French shooting show injures 16
A military shooting demonstration in south east France has left 16 people wounded, after real bullets were used instead of blanks. Four of the wounded are in a critical condition, including a young child. A Defence Ministry official said the incident occurred during a demonstration of hostage-freeing techniques at a barracks in Aude. The soldier who fired the shots has been detained. It is not clear why the wrong ammunition was used. Reports from the scene say the hostage scenario had been acted out five times before a crowd at the Laperrine military barracks, near Carcassonne, when on the sixth take real bullets began flying through the air, and onlookers fell to the ground. In a statement, French President Nicolas Sarkozy expressed his horror at the incident and said he was urgently waiting for the results of an official investigation. A regional official, Bernard Lemaire, told France 3 radio that it is thought the incident was accidental but that foul play has not been ruled out. "The question being asked is 'Did the soldier engage in a criminal act or not?'," Mr Lemaire said. "For now, no-one can answer that, but the theory being worked on is one of error," he added. The critically injured victims were taken to hospital in Toulouse. Story from BBC NEWS: http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/europe/7480483.stm Published: 2008/06/29 21:25:30 GMT © BBC MMVIII |
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Thats crazy. I don't know how any one else does it, but we always load our own sim rounds individually. There is no mistaking a live round for a sim round.
Interesting to see what the findings will be. |
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Boggles the mind.
I never recall firing blanks that i didn't hand load into the mag either. Even in Basic Training when we did the field fire exercises, we drew the boxes of blanks out of the Deuce and 1/2, and we loaded our mags while we were finishing our MRE's. I don't know how the AF, or other folks handle it, but when we were leaving any live fire exercise, or a live fire range, we got rodded and patted down for live ammo or concealed brass. Bottom line...I can think of ZERO reason why someone would have even the slightest doubt what the nature of his/her loaded ammunition was. Unless the blanks had projectiles tucked in under the crimped end, there is ZERO excuse for this. Whether it is the troop's fault, or the fault of the person responsible for loading the weapons...someone's head needs to roll for that. And since this is France...a rolling head is a possibility. |
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Unless I'm mistaken about how the FAMAS works, or any other military weapon, it had to be intentional. What about the BLANK ADAPTER? If it had a BFA, that would have caused a catastrophic "issue" with the shooter. To avoid any injury, he would have to remove it, first.
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How are sixteen people shot and not one fatality?
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The title of the thread indicated simunitions. I didn't see anything in the article about simunitions, but there could be a couple explanations.
First, if they were using simunitions, there would be no "blank adapter". Unlike blanks, simunitions actually send out a projectile in the form of a small paintball or "marking round" as they are called. We practice with simunitions and you have to be extrememly careful with multiple safety checks. Simunitions often use your actual issued firearm, using your own mags, just different ammo. Some pistols use a smaller barrel swapped out with your actual barrel, but others just use sim rounds. When we start training, two separate designated safety officers check every mag, every weapon, and every mag pouch. They even pat pockets to be sure no live rounds or mags loaded with live rounds accidentally enter the training area. It's possible this accident occurred because the troop involved had a mag loaded with live ammo and he accidentally inserted it into the weapon instead of the sim rounds. It's possibe when they were loading, he just accidentally picked up a mag that had live rounds and never bothered to visually check. Every time anyone trains like this, you have to be responsible for each other. Check each other's weapons. Check each other's mags. It's better to be redundant than to be sorry. |
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Because the French guy was waving the Whit Flag, and retreating at the time. You Are Not FORGOTTEN! |
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Actually, the first paragraph of the article says "blanks". Here.
"A military show in south-eastern France has left 17 people wounded, after real bullets were used instead of blanks."
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Maybe it was a live fire exercise?? Guy went all silly, hopped up on Mt Dew??
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Witnesss report he came at them like a "spider monkey"....
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still wearing his pee pants no doubt!
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That was my bad with the "simunitions". I had that on my mind as a few of us were chatting about sims earlier in class (CATM school).
They were using blanks, just like the article says. But yeah, I've never had anyone else load my own ammo, blanks, sims, whatever. It just doesn't make sense. |
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