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not one GW vet beside myself showed up at this
meeting. You mean GWs vet do not have any complaints?

Gulf War Veterans Given Added Voice at VA - WASHINGTON - - Veterans of the 1990-91 Gulf War will gain additional access to the leadership of the Department of Veterans Affairs when the department’s Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans holds its first meeting today. The 14-member, independent panel will advise the Secretary and the department on the full range of health care and benefits needs of those who served in the conflict.
 
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Oh yeah, we've got ailments and complaints. I would have loved to join you, but it would have been at the cost of my job. And with three children to feed, the cost of travel, hotel and sustenance would have taken care of my family for a month.
 
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Originally posted by AMGENguy:

The sad part is, our government refuses to look at the multitude of studies that have been conducted since WW 1 on the effects/long term effects of chemicals on the human body. Most government studies look at one chemical with little to no research on the effcts of a combination of chemicals and exposure to them.

A good example is Agent Orange. The only studies ever conducted by the government concentrated on only Agent Orange and its byproduct, dioxin. They have never, at least to my knowledge conducted studies that included Agent White, Blue, Yellow, piclorin, etc. and the effects in combintion upon the human body. While one agent alone may not have lingering effects, the possibility of a cocktail of these agents may produce an entirely different result.

I spent 16 years in medical research. In all of those years and the countless studies I was involved in, combinations of chemical exposures was nearly always more detrimental to an individual in most instances than exposure to just one specific chemical.

The other important issue never studied, and again, not to my knowledge is the effect chemicals have on individuals. Our immune systems react differently as individuals. Some people can be exposed to a noxious agent and suffer no ill effects, while others react violently to the exposure. A good example is a bee sting. Some of us have no problem with it while others, it is a life or death event. There are events in some that occur on the chromosomal level when exposed to noxious compounds/chemicals where little study has ever been conducted so as to ascertain the damage. Again, with Agent Orange, veterans in large numbers were having children with spina bifida. Perhaps it is not only Agent Orange and its byproduct dioxin causing the problem? We don't know if Agent White, Blue, Yellow, etc. is causing the problem because no studies have been completed that are acceptable to the government and the VA...or so they say!

There is little doubt our troops during Gulf War 1 were exposed to damaging chemicals. But like always, the government and VA will drag their feet, not recognize studies that have been done outside of their juristiction which clearly demonstrate and prove damage was caused to our troops. No matter what they say, it is the bean counters who control the purse strings and it is their job to minimize payments for disabilities to deserving veterans.

Good luck and do not give up the fight...don't let them wear you down. If you are sick and believe it was due to exposure to noxious chemicals...just keep filing claims right up to the Veterans Court of Appeals.

S/F Gordon
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Not to interject myself into your era,
but I have been ignoring threads lik this since we got home last Laborday and tripped over this thread by accident.

I have some bad news. History is repeating itself. Joints popping, muscle pulls for no apparent reason, tired, Tingleing in the fore arms and fingers, Heart attack symptons that aint a heart attack, ( some times I get a "Heart attack, IE Tight Chest adn numb arm, on the RIGHT side, so unless I'm a Kligon it aint that)

Sorry again to jump into a Gulf War Vet discussion but you guys just scared the livn crap outta me.

I hope I live long enough to walk my youngest daughter down the aisle, then they can all go to hell with me. Frown
 
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quote:
Originally posted by AMGENguy:

The sad part is, our government refuses to look at the multitude of studies that have been conducted since WW 1 on the effects/long term effects of chemicals on the human body. Most government studies look at one chemical with little to no research on the effcts of a combination of chemicals and exposure to them.

A good example is Agent Orange. The only studies ever conducted by the government concentrated on only Agent Orange and its byproduct, dioxin. They have never, at least to my knowledge conducted studies that included Agent White, Blue, Yellow, piclorin, etc. and the effects in combintion upon the human body. While one agent alone may not have lingering effects, the possibility of a cocktail of these agents may produce an entirely different result.

I spent 16 years in medical research. In all of those years and the countless studies I was involved in, combinations of chemical exposures was nearly always more detrimental to an individual in most instances than exposure to just one specific chemical.

The other important issue never studied, and again, not to my knowledge is the effect chemicals have on individuals. Our immune systems react differently as individuals. Some people can be exposed to a noxious agent and suffer no ill effects, while others react violently to the exposure. A good example is a bee sting. Some of us have no problem with it while others, it is a life or death event. There are events in some that occur on the chromosomal level when exposed to noxious compounds/chemicals where little study has ever been conducted so as to ascertain the damage. Again, with Agent Orange, veterans in large numbers were having children with spina bifida. Perhaps it is not only Agent Orange and its byproduct dioxin causing the problem? We don't know if Agent White, Blue, Yellow, etc. is causing the problem because no studies have been completed that are acceptable to the government and the VA...or so they say!

There is little doubt our troops during Gulf War 1 were exposed to damaging chemicals. But like always, the government and VA will drag their feet, not recognize studies that have been done outside of their juristiction which clearly demonstrate and prove damage was caused to our troops. No matter what they say, it is the bean counters who control the purse strings and it is their job to minimize payments for disabilities to deserving veterans.

Good luck and do not give up the fight...don't let them wear you down. If you are sick and believe it was due to exposure to noxious chemicals...just keep filing claims right up to the Veterans Court of Appeals.

S/F Gordon
_______________________________________________

Not to interject myself into your era,
but I have been ignoring threads lik this since we got home last Laborday and tripped over this thread by accident.

I have some bad news. History is repeating itself. Joints popping, muscle pulls for no apparent reason, tired, Tingleing in the fore arms and fingers, Heart attack symptons that aint a heart attack, ( some times I get a "Heart attack, IE Tight Chest adn numb arm, on the RIGHT side, so unless I'm a Kligon it aint that)

Sorry again to jump into a Gulf War Vet discussion but you guys just scared the livn crap outta me.

I hope I live long enough to walk my youngest daughter down the aisle, then they can all go to hell with me. Frown
study one


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Your link isn't working...some kind of technical problem on their end. Perhaps you could provide us with the gist of the article/study?

S/F Gordon
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quote:
Originally posted by uh34d:
quote:
Originally posted by AMGENguy:

The sad part is, our government refuses to look at the multitude of studies that have been conducted since WW 1 on the effects/long term effects of chemicals on the human body. Most government studies look at one chemical with little to no research on the effcts of a combination of chemicals and exposure to them.

A good example is Agent Orange. The only studies ever conducted by the government concentrated on only Agent Orange and its byproduct, dioxin. They have never, at least to my knowledge conducted studies that included Agent White, Blue, Yellow, piclorin, etc. and the effects in combintion upon the human body. While one agent alone may not have lingering effects, the possibility of a cocktail of these agents may produce an entirely different result.

I spent 16 years in medical research. In all of those years and the countless studies I was involved in, combinations of chemical exposures was nearly always more detrimental to an individual in most instances than exposure to just one specific chemical.

The other important issue never studied, and again, not to my knowledge is the effect chemicals have on individuals. Our immune systems react differently as individuals. Some people can be exposed to a noxious agent and suffer no ill effects, while others react violently to the exposure. A good example is a bee sting. Some of us have no problem with it while others, it is a life or death event. There are events in some that occur on the chromosomal level when exposed to noxious compounds/chemicals where little study has ever been conducted so as to ascertain the damage. Again, with Agent Orange, veterans in large numbers were having children with spina bifida. Perhaps it is not only Agent Orange and its byproduct dioxin causing the problem? We don't know if Agent White, Blue, Yellow, etc. is causing the problem because no studies have been completed that are acceptable to the government and the VA...or so they say!

There is little doubt our troops during Gulf War 1 were exposed to damaging chemicals. But like always, the government and VA will drag their feet, not recognize studies that have been done outside of their juristiction which clearly demonstrate and prove damage was caused to our troops. No matter what they say, it is the bean counters who control the purse strings and it is their job to minimize payments for disabilities to deserving veterans.

Good luck and do not give up the fight...don't let them wear you down. If you are sick and believe it was due to exposure to noxious chemicals...just keep filing claims right up to the Veterans Court of Appeals.

S/F Gordon
_______________________________________________

Not to interject myself into your era,
but I have been ignoring threads lik this since we got home last Laborday and tripped over this thread by accident.

I have some bad news. History is repeating itself. Joints popping, muscle pulls for no apparent reason, tired, Tingleing in the fore arms and fingers, Heart attack symptons that aint a heart attack, ( some times I get a "Heart attack, IE Tight Chest adn numb arm, on the RIGHT side, so unless I'm a Kligon it aint that)

Sorry again to jump into a Gulf War Vet discussion but you guys just scared the livn crap outta me.

I hope I live long enough to walk my youngest daughter down the aisle, then they can all go to hell with me. Frown
study one
 
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In response to chemiclas in the Gulf War. I served with 1/6 Cold Steel at the Tip of the Spear. I am rather frustrated with all the studies and research I've seen over the years. The Marines I served with were exposed to almost everything under the sun. Lewsite, sarin,and etc. I along with countless others am still fighting the VA on claims. It is amazing at times. In the end it is shameful on not owning up to what men were exposed too. I know of a saying about vets and the military. By joining the military, one in essence is writing a blank check. How true that is. If one goes to war and returns wounded, then we need to help them. Semper Fi
 
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Dave, update on thyroid cancer sent in NOD. I sent another letter from the Doctor who did my surgery, also quoted articles from medical books that the tumor was a slow growing tumor and that the tumor was not likley, but near certain to have existed 3-5 years prior to its presentation. I retired in May 1997, notice the lump in my throat in Nov-Dec of 1998, had two surgeries in Feb 1999, Va denied my Claim base under 38CFR 3.309 was over 1 year after I retired. Can your Help!!!!, Thanks
 
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E-mail me through my Military.com profile and let me know what you were exposed to in the Gulf, i.e. DU, chemicals, gas and etcetera. I will try to assist you.


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Unable to travel to DC - Call in. this meeting allows Teleconferencing. You can call into the meeting.400 line are open!

DEPARTMENT OF VETERANS AFFAIRS
Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans;
Notice of Meeting
The Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) gives notice under Public Law 92-463 (Federal Advisory Committee Act) that the Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans will hold its meeting NW., Washington, DC. The session on Sept 24 will the sessions will begin at 9 a.m. and end at 4 p.m. The meeting is open to the public.

The purpose of the Committee is to provide advice and recommendations to the Secretary of Veterans Affairs on issues that are unique to veterans who served in the Southwest Asia theater of operations during the 1990-1991 period of the Gulf War.

At the meeting, there will be presentations and discussion from the Veterans Benefits Administration, Veterans Health Administration, National Cemetery Administration, and the Board of Veterans' Appeals. There will also be discussion of upcoming Committee activities.

by contacting Lelia Jackson at (202) 461-5758 or by e-mail at lelia.jackson@va.gov
and by submitting 1-2 page summaries of their comments for inclusion in the official record.
Public comments will be limited to five minutes each. Members of the public may also submit written statements for the Committee's
review to the Advisory Committee on Gulf War Veterans,
Department of Veterans Affairs, 810 Vermont Avenue, NW., Washington, DC 20420.

Any member of the public seeking additional information should contact Laura O'Shea, Designated Federal Officer, at (202) 461-5765.
 
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I remember the sky looking pink for days Confused


Been there, Done that and I have the shots to prove it.
 
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print this out carry to your next medical appointment. It helps yo comuniate with the med staff and going to submit with your VA claim.
Jagmedic

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