MP qualification is determined by the 'ST' sub score in the ASVAB, not the GT. MOS requirements are listed in DA Pam 611-21. For 31B (Military Police) ...Military police must possess the following qualifications: (1) A physical demands rating of moderately heavy. (2) A physical profile of 222221. (3) Red/green color discrimination. (4) Qualifying scores. (a) A minimum score of 95 in aptitude area ST in Armed Services Vocational aptitude Battery (ASVAB) tests administered prior to 2 January 2002. (b) A minimum score of 92 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 2 January 2002 and prior to 1 July 2004. (c) A minimum score of 91 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 1 Jul 2004. (5) A security eligibility of CONFIDENTIAL. (6) Meets all requirements for Personnel Reliability Program (PRP) qualifications. (7) Must possess a valid state motor vehicle operator license. (8) No objection to performing security duties in the vicinity of nuclear or chemical munitions stored or staged for military use. (9) No record of more than 15 days lost under section 972-10-USC. (10) No information in Provost Marshal Office, Intelligence Office, Military Personnel Record Jacket (MPRJ) or medical records which would prevent the granting of a security clearance under AR 380-67. (11) No record of pre-trial intervention or conviction by military or civil court of the following: (a) Any offense involving force or violence. (b) Any offense listed under AR 601-210, para 4-22 (misdemeanor), or similar offense not listed for which the maximum possible sentence exceeds 4 months of confinement. (c) Two or more offenses within 5 years prior to the date of enlistment listed under AR 601-210, para 4-21 (minor non-traffic), or similar offense not listed for which the maximum possible sentence is less than 4 months confinement. (d) Three or more minor traffic offenses as listed under AR 601-210, para 4-20 (minor traffic) during the 12 months period prior to entry on active duty (does not include traffic violations considered misdemeanor or felony by virtue of fine amount per AR 601-210. (e) No pattern of behavior or actions that is reasonably indicative of a contemptuous attitude toward the law or other duly constituted authority. (12) Minimum age of 18 at time of entrance on active duty. (13) No record of possession or use of any narcotic or non-narcotic drug as defined by Article 134, UCMJ and AR 600-50. (Personnel entering active duty may be granted waiver at Military Entrance Processing Station by the AHRC Security Interviewer DoD policy on cannabis use.) (14) No record of conviction by special or general courts-martial or civilian courts of offenses listed in AR 27-10 (Military Justice), chapter 24 or otherwise required to register as a sexual offender under AR 27-10, chapter 24. (15) Formal training (completion of MOS 31B course conducted under the auspices of the U.S. Army Military Police School) mandatory. (16) All applicants for MOS 31B must be interviewed by AHRC Security Interviewer. Waivers will only be granted by DA G-1 (DAPE-MPA-RP). All Active Component service members reclassifying for MOS 31B must be interviewed by local Provost NCO (SFC or above) or Provost Marshal (CPT or above). PMO required to do local record check (NCIC or COPS (Centralized Operations Police Suite)) to ensure no disqualifying offenses as indicated above. All Reserve Component service members reclassifying for MOS 31B must be interviewed by a senior MP NCO (SFC or above) or MP officer (CPT or above) in the gaining MP unit as well as a local records check. In either case, written endorsement must accompany re-enlistment contract.
Originally posted by redleg13f: MP qualification is determined by the 'ST' sub score in the ASVAB, not the GT. MOS requirements are listed in DA Pam 611-21. For 31B (Military Police) ...Military police must possess the following qualifications: (1) A physical demands rating of moderately heavy. (2) A physical profile of 222221. (3) Red/green color discrimination. (4) Qualifying scores. (a) A minimum score of 95 in aptitude area ST in Armed Services Vocational aptitude Battery (ASVAB) tests administered prior to 2 January 2002. (b) A minimum score of 92 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 2 January 2002 and prior to 1 July 2004. (c) A minimum score of 91 in aptitude area ST on ASVAB tests administered on and after 1 Jul 2004. (5) A security eligibility of CONFIDENTIAL. (6) Meets all requirements for Personnel Reliability Program (PRP) qualifications. (7) Must possess a valid state motor vehicle operator license. (8) No objection to performing security duties in the vicinity of nuclear or chemical munitions stored or staged for military use. (9) No record of more than 15 days lost under section 972-10-USC. (10) No information in Provost Marshal Office, Intelligence Office, Military Personnel Record Jacket (MPRJ) or medical records which would prevent the granting of a security clearance under AR 380-67. (11) No record of pre-trial intervention or conviction by military or civil court of the following: (a) Any offense involving force or violence. (b) Any offense listed under AR 601-210, para 4-22 (misdemeanor), or similar offense not listed for which the maximum possible sentence exceeds 4 months of confinement. (c) Two or more offenses within 5 years prior to the date of enlistment listed under AR 601-210, para 4-21 (minor non-traffic), or similar offense not listed for which the maximum possible sentence is less than 4 months confinement. (d) Three or more minor traffic offenses as listed under AR 601-210, para 4-20 (minor traffic) during the 12 months period prior to entry on active duty (does not include traffic violations considered misdemeanor or felony by virtue of fine amount per AR 601-210. (e) No pattern of behavior or actions that is reasonably indicative of a contemptuous attitude toward the law or other duly constituted authority. (12) Minimum age of 18 at time of entrance on active duty. (13) No record of possession or use of any narcotic or non-narcotic drug as defined by Article 134, UCMJ and AR 600-50. (Personnel entering active duty may be granted waiver at Military Entrance Processing Station by the AHRC Security Interviewer DoD policy on cannabis use.) (14) No record of conviction by special or general courts-martial or civilian courts of offenses listed in AR 27-10 (Military Justice), chapter 24 or otherwise required to register as a sexual offender under AR 27-10, chapter 24. (15) Formal training (completion of MOS 31B course conducted under the auspices of the U.S. Army Military Police School) mandatory. (16) All applicants for MOS 31B must be interviewed by AHRC Security Interviewer. Waivers will only be granted by DA G-1 (DAPE-MPA-RP). All Active Component service members reclassifying for MOS 31B must be interviewed by local Provost NCO (SFC or above) or Provost Marshal (CPT or above). PMO required to do local record check (NCIC or COPS (Centralized Operations Police Suite)) to ensure no disqualifying offenses as indicated above. All Reserve Component service members reclassifying for MOS 31B must be interviewed by a senior MP NCO (SFC or above) or MP officer (CPT or above) in the gaining MP unit as well as a local records check. In either case, written endorsement must accompany re-enlistment contract.
If for any reason I do not meet the ASVAB score requirement for MP will I have the opportunity to retake the exam? If not, will I later have the opportunity to request or target an MP career?
The ASVAB can be retaken. There may be a minimum time between tests, ask a recruiter about that. ASVAB scores may be waived by the State AG (for National Guard) or the proponent school (i.e. MP School, Fort Leonard Wood) for reclass soldiers, but not initial entry as far as I am aware. Again, ask a recruiter.
Originally posted by redleg13f: The ASVAB can be retaken. There may be a minimum time between tests, ask a recruiter about that. ASVAB scores may be waived by the State AG (for National Guard) or the proponent school (i.e. MP School, Fort Leonard Wood) for reclass soldiers, but not initial entry as far as I am aware. Again, ask a recruiter.
For re-classing Soldiers, the TAG cannot waive your minimum ST score as far as I am aware (I speak only for the MP field). As for the MP Proponent, they WERE doing 3 point waivers but those have been severely curtailed.
BLUF: If you took the ASVAB after 1 JUL 2004 and don't have a 91 or better on the ST portion, you're going to have a hard time getting into the MP Corps.
EVERYTHING is waiverable, nothing is carved in stone. It used to be, to become an MP required a 105, or better, GT score. I personally knew two MPs who had GTs in the 50s. They had no business being in the Army, let alone in the MPs.
Well, nothing is carved in stone, you're right. However, in the 21 years I've been in, GT score has never been a factor for MP's. ST score was the ASVAB section that was and is important. And it hasn't been a 105 in the ST score. It was a 95, lowered to a 92 and is now a 91, IF they took the ASVAB sfter 7/1/04.
And I'm telling you, from dealing with Proponent(USAMPS) on a regular basis in my full-time duty position that the Proponency SGM is not giving out waivers without very compelling evidence the unit and Soldier have made "valiant efforts" to try to get that Soldier to get that 91 ST score. We're talking study sessions, re-training, multiple attempts at the test, etc.
Frankly, we don't NEED to lower the MP standards anymore. We need to be raising them.
I always thought it would be interesting if MPs had to be **** tested monthly. I know it would have thinned the ranks, at first.
When I was a Grunt, they'd come in and test a whole Company at one time. Give you a cup and herd everyone into the dayroom. To get out, you handed them your full cup.
Then, they went to random testing and never had to do another in the next 17 years.
We'd be fine with that. UA usually gets at least a couple when done in a company-sized unit. Good riddance. And the way they do it now, they randomly select a percentage every month or so. We're still getting tested about every 12-18 months or so. Of course, CT's a small state with less than 3000 Guardsmen...
As bad as it is in MP units, it's worse in the Infantry BN I'm told by a couple of their 1SG's...
That's about the timeframe I've heard all those stories from. Lots of those guys(not the druggies) came into the Guard and were still in when I joined in 1987. Between them and the VietNam vets it made Desert Storm a very interesting deployment...
Interesting times. An Officer or NCO didn't go to the third floor of our barracks alone. Nothing was ever done about it. According to the COC, it was all the NCOs fault.
