I would like to know why this class seems to be just for 87 & 110's? What about the rest of the I/D billets out there? I've been on a 110 and now on a river tender and there is no difference but what we do operationally. I still do the same paperwork and the same report at the end of the month, but this is for them and not us. Who gets prefference when getting orders? What if some new FS2 gets my billet and has not gone to the new school, does he have to wait until all the 87's and 110's go and then him? That's how I read the message.

For the time being, you are correct. The 87' and 110' platforms see the highest numbers of FSO's being relived, so the decision was made to start there with a resident course. Will it expand in the future? Maybe, maybe not, that is for the folks who hold the purse strings to decide. There was no intent to "slight" anyone, and this does get the ball rolling for the folks that need it most.

Ian

Hmmm, start with a course geared for 110’s and 87’s, or ensure your people are ready for independent duty before you recommend them for FS2. Seems simple, don’t it?

Hmmm Independent duty and making second class seems apples and oranges, Independent Duty is Qual not a deciding factor for recommending or not recommending someone for advancement. Take a BM2 on a cutter, who has been filling a navigation billet, and send him to a small boat station. He wont have a clue what he's doing on a 47 MLB because he doesn't have that qualification, but with training and hard work he will get the qual; doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be a second class. Same with FSO take a second class that has been only exposed to perpetual inventories and sysco shipments, then send him off to a P.B. (which he didn't have the qual for) he's gonna be a little lost, doesn't mean we wasn't a competent second class (maybe we should look into a oral board or some kind of "check ride" before we give the qual or billet) just my two cents

Hey wow, just as I thought. CG-3303C Enlisted Performance Qualifications Food Service Specialist, 5.G.04


Complete the following documents for an end of the month report using the Purchase vs. Allowance Inventory Control System as per Coast Guard Food Service Manual, COMDTINST M4061.5

*CG-3123 Daily/Summary Ration Memorandum
*CG-3471 Daily Ration Cost Record
*CG-3476 Individual Credit Account
*CG-4261 Provision Inventory Report
*CG-5269 Report of Survey
*CG-2576 CG Dining Facility Operating Statement
*Call Record Sheet
*CG-4901 Meal Sign in Sheet
*Transmittal Letter
*Cash Log
*DD-1149 Requisition and Invoice /Shipping Document

This is for E-5. Perpetual inventory is for E-6.

As an FS2 you should know how to be an independent duty cook. If you do not know, you shouldn’t be recommended.

Apples and oranges is comparing a FS2 to a BM2

Yeah but someone signs off the qual. Perhaps we should review who signed off the qualification and if someone gets relieved as FSO for failure and they claim they didn't know maybe we should reduce the one who signed it all off.

Agreed,

But then why is there a separate Qualification for independent duty? and why is the online class and new resident training geared toward seconds? If you were supposed to be fully ready as a second wouldn't they aim all the classes to third's and make it a prerequisite to have an ID qual to make second? (not a bad idea)

not trying to split hairs with you Chief, I was just adding a different view,

to get a sign off you need to demonstate it once. but we all know, most do not retain the information. this is why we have a paperwork management school for up coming FSO's. why is this just for 87s and 110s. Small boat stations have fs2's as FSO's. do they not count. I think this school taking it a step to petaluma is AWESOME but after reading this board i am disappointed.

I thought you had to demonstrate proficiency, which means more than once.

When I was a Chief if a BM1 wanted me to sign off the qual for doing the DFOS I sat with them one month and then they had to do the report the next month before I would sign off on it. It took a couple of them 3 or 4 times to get it right.

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Originally posted by 14517610:
Agreed,

But then why is there a separate Qualification for independent duty? and why is the online class and new resident training geared toward seconds? If you were supposed to be fully ready as a second wouldn't they aim all the classes to third's and make it a prerequisite to have an ID qual to make second? (not a bad idea)

not trying to split hairs with you Chief, I was just adding a different view,

Where is this separate qual? I have had three independent duty assignments and never did an “independent duty” qual. Is this new? I am not trying to argue, I just never heard about it. I was probably grandfathered. I am asking because I have an FS3 that might be making second.

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Originally posted by FlynnPatrick:
Yeah but someone signs off the qual. Perhaps we should review who signed off the qualification and if someone gets relieved as FSO for failure and they claim they didn't know maybe we should reduce the one who signed it all off.

I can agree to a certain extent, during the first FSO tour. I can’t see someone on their third FSO tour claming that to get out of trouble.

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Originally posted by xnavycg:

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Originally posted by 14517610:
Agreed,

But then why is there a separate Qualification for independent duty? and why is the online class and new resident training geared toward seconds? If you were supposed to be fully ready as a second wouldn't they aim all the classes to third's and make it a prerequisite to have an ID qual to make second? (not a bad idea)

not trying to split hairs with you Chief, I was just adding a different view,

Where is this separate qual? I have had three independent duty assignments and never did an “independent duty” qual. Is this new? I am not trying to argue, I just never heard about it. I was probably grandfathered. I am asking because I have an FS3 that might be making second.

Yes, there is a new Qual, for 87's and 110's.

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Originally posted by FS_CHEF:

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Originally posted by xnavycg:

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Originally posted by 14517610:
Agreed,

But then why is there a separate Qualification for independent duty? and why is the online class and new resident training geared toward seconds? If you were supposed to be fully ready as a second wouldn't they aim all the classes to third's and make it a prerequisite to have an ID qual to make second? (not a bad idea)

not trying to split hairs with you Chief, I was just adding a different view,

Where is this separate qual? I have had three independent duty assignments and never did an “independent duty” qual. Is this new? I am not trying to argue, I just never heard about it. I was probably grandfathered. I am asking because I have an FS3 that might be making second.

Yes, there is a new Qual, for 87's and 110's.

Is it a paper qual, or just the school?

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Originally posted by xnavycg:

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Originally posted by FS_CHEF:

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Originally posted by xnavycg:

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Originally posted by 14517610:
Agreed,

But then why is there a separate Qualification for independent duty? and why is the online class and new resident training geared toward seconds? If you were supposed to be fully ready as a second wouldn't they aim all the classes to third's and make it a prerequisite to have an ID qual to make second? (not a bad idea)

not trying to split hairs with you Chief, I was just adding a different view,

Where is this separate qual? I have had three independent duty assignments and never did an “independent duty” qual. Is this new? I am not trying to argue, I just never heard about it. I was probably grandfathered. I am asking because I have an FS3 that might be making second.

Yes, there is a new Qual, for 87's and 110's.

Is it a paper qual, or just the school?

It is a qual that needs to be logged into Direct Access, after completeing the course, reporting to the unit, have a favorable recommendation from the patrol boat command, and have the request approved by the FS RFMC. The ALCOAST expalins in more detail.

Ian

But again, what about the rest of us who are on our second or third I/D assignment? What about our qual, for the same job. Do we get one if we have had a "successful" tour on a PB, or does that not count?

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Originally posted by InkedCookie:
But again, what about the rest of us who are on our second or third I/D assignment? What about our qual, for the same job. Do we get one if we have had a "successful" tour on a PB, or does that not count?

No one gets grandfathered. If you are currently assigned to an 87 or 110, your command can submit a request to the RFMC for you to have the qual. This again is outlined in the ALCOAST. Those of us that had succesfull runs at being an 87 or 110 FSO, will not retroactivly get the code.

Hope that helps,
Ian

Just got a question. Can some one post the DTG of the ALCOAST so I can make sure it gets in my DA? Kinda out of the loop here in Bahrain. Thanks

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Take a BM2 on a cutter, who has been filling a navigation billet, and send him to a small boat station. He wont have a clue what he's doing on a 47 MLB because he doesn't have that qualification, but with training and hard work he will get the qual; doesn't mean he wasn't ready to be a second class.

Couple of issues with that - one being no such thing as a 'navigation billet' for a BM on a Cutter.

One thing noone has brought up yet in the 'recomended' discussion is the definition:

"...member is fully capable of satisfactorily performing the duties and responsibilities of the next higher grade..."