I just happened to look at the FS A school pics for a shipmate of mine that went. Looking at the pics I noticed the class advisors with green aiguillettes on their right shoulder while wearing a chef coat. Now were in the uniform regs is this listed. Hell in my last job I wore a blue one as an SCA till HQ said it was not aloud. I also wear black chef pants since I am a Ft. Lee grad. But where does the green rope come into our uniform?

That is a TRACEN policy. All class advisors must wear them including the FS.

I just "Love" when commands make up their own uniforms.

Makes it so easy on the field to enforce the real rules.

Maybe Monday I will go to work and authorize blue berets, of course only on the base!

I think this is bull. Did the Tracen get permission from HQ since they are under their command. Also if it is a Tracen Pet thing where can I find it in the Uniform Manual???

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Originally posted by KrustyKrabFryCook:
I think this is bull. Did the Tracen get permission from HQ since they are under their command. Also if it is a Tracen Pet thing where can I find it in the Uniform Manual???

I tell you what, you can call the Captain and tell him so 707-765-7320.
I am sure that he can answer all your questions.

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Originally posted by pollo_cilantro:

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Originally posted by KrustyKrabFryCook:
I think this is bull. Did the Tracen get permission from HQ since they are under their command. Also if it is a Tracen Pet thing where can I find it in the Uniform Manual???

I tell you what, you can call the Captain and tell him so 707-765-7320.
I am sure that he can answer all your questions.

I'd pay to see that video.

--M

As far as uniforms go, I think that the regs that apply to ODU's,
Trops, Bravo's, etc..., should definitely be followed to the T. When it
comes to chef uniforms, although we should all have a guideline, I believe
that we should feel blessed as FS's that different units have different
requirements which make us a unique rate. I'm not saying that we should
all wear tank tops and cutoff jeans as our uniform but certain details
do give the galley's that individuality that we should all be looking
for. When I went to paperwork school in March of 2000, we also took the
nutrition course while we were there and there were at least 6
different uniforms worn in in the galley. I was on a 210' at the time
and all we had were cook whites and to see the others in the diffent
shirt/coat and pants combination really made some of us want to wear
something similar.

I suggest you get up to snuff on FS uniforms and see that there is now a standardized uniform that has been passed down.

I'm completely aware of the new uniform regulation and what it entails. My point was, and this is just an opinion, that one of the great things that the FS rate had, was the fact that our uniforms could be unique to x or y unit and I don't know about you, but in my case, it kind of gave me a sense of pride to show it off to other units. I just have one question, and I'm pretty sure I'll catch hell for this one but where does it say that Ft. Lee grads can wear black chef pants and why? I'm a Ft. Lee grad myself and wasn't aware of this uniform bit.....

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Unfortunately the uniform being worn in most CGDF's is not in compliance with the uniform regs

4.D.4. Food Service Personnel
Personnel involved in the preparation or serving of meals may wear the white Food Service uniform consisting of a white short sleeve shirt, white trousers, white web belt, and standard issue safety shoes. A white cap and apron are optional. For special or ceremonial events, the wardroom service uniform may be prescribed consisting of a white food servers or Eaton style jacket, white shirt, black bow tie, and service dress or undress trousers.

Bud,

Although you referenced the "past" in your opinion, it was written in the "present" tense suggesting to me that you were unaware of the recent changes to make FS uniforms "uniform".

As for your question about the black pants, I wonder the same.

Mr Flynn,

Check the FS SMS page and you will see the changes recently passed down.

Right you are my friend. Here is a copy from the FS SMS.

FS Uniforms
The changes listed below were approved/adopted for FS Uniforms. There is a section at the FS SME Website that may be useful to you for the authorization to buy these uniforms.
We are still waiting on the new change to the Uniform Regulations Manual to be published. In the interim, what is listed below is the official FS Uniform policy.

4.D.4. Food Service Personnel

Food service personnel working in the preparation of meals may wear the Food Service uniform consisting of:

• Shirt or Chef’s Coat – White cotton or cotton/polyester blend with clear or white buttons.
• Trousers –Black and White Hounds-Tooth checked pattern, belted or draw string waist.
• Web belt – Black (Seabag item).
• Apron – White Baker’s Bib-style or “4” way style apron.
• Safety Shoes – (Seabag item) Shoes must meet ANSII standards.
• Cap – Ball cap (Seabag item) or chef’s hat with mesh inset. Disposable chef’s hat is authorized.
• Rank Insignia – Metal collar insignia is authorized on the Chef’s Coat, the white cotton shirt, and ball cap only.
• Nametapes – Not authorized.
• Unit logos are not authorized from appropriated funds.

For special or ceremonial events, the wardroom service uniform consists of the above uniform items.

I know about that but the Commandant has not published those changes to the field.

Therefore what I posted is the official policy.

A draft is only a draft until the Commandant approves it. While someone may have approved the changes they are not in effect until they are published by the Uniform people at HQ.

Pat, unfortunately many of the junior people seem to believe that a "draft" letter, policy, instruction etc.... is official...

As you say, it's not OFFICIAL until the Commandant has signed off on it...

Wray...
P.S. -- "Hey bud" ----> you may want to re-think that.

MC and CDR,

Although not signed off by the Commandant it is still what is being passed to us down the chain as official policy. No matter how highly I may think of myself, I still have to follow policy if coming from above.

CDR and MC, I completely agree with you that the official policy is the basic cook whites, and to be honest, I'll be darned if those weren't the most comfortable sets of uniforms I ever wore. IRT my comment about the uniform board recommendations, the way I see it, whenever anything comes down from the Subject Matter Specialist, I read it and follow it no questions asked unless it is something that seems odd or just obviously wrong, which needless to say has not happened. The issue with the different things with our uniforms in one way or another is like the authorized u/w uniforms for the cutters, there isn't a specific design, units just keep them tasteful and decent.
V/R,
FS2

The SMS is not the Commandant and therefore you are not following Commandants Instructions.

The SMS is the CPO who writes the servicewide exams which are supposed to be based on Commandant Instructions/Policy.

Back when I was in boot camp I learned that the Commandant is in Charge and no one may overrule his policies.

CDR,

The SMS (FSCS) just passes along the info, the decisions were made starting at a level higher than him. Starting with the RFMC and the School Chief. Cooks whites went out in about 99 or 2000 and that is when each unit started to do what they wanted. In 01, students were wearing the houndstooth and instructors were wearing black. Now, it is all going to the houndstooth.

White sounds nice, but it doesn't always look nice depending on who is wearing it and what they wear underneath. I know alot of commands were having heartache over the whites.

still COMDTINST 1020 says whites and they are still available. Just because the leadership of the Rating decided to not follow the policy in 2000 doesn't make it right.

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Although not signed off by the Commandant it is still what is being passed to us down the chain as official policy. No matter how highly I may think of myself, I still have to follow policy if coming from above.

I would suggest you copy, paste & print this... then show it to your supervisors.... while I am just an old retired guy at this point, they may want to listen to CDR FLYNN...

Wray...