I know there is a message out some where about the DWO becoming a requirement for BM1. i thought if you did not compete and andvance off of the NOV SWE then you have to pass the DWO prior to 1 FEB to sit for the MAY SWE. Does anyone have or know where i can retrieve it? i've searched 07 ALCOASTS and PSC w/ no luck. i'll normally dig on cg central however i'm off duty and it's buggin me a little! a little help is appreciated

As far as I know, we dont need DWO for the May SWE. My command called some people and said if I dont make the cut this time, then for the next SWE I will need DWO. I could find any info either.

The requirements to compete for the SWE, came out in a msg. The May08 SWE requirements are in ALCGENL 014/08. You can also look in the Personnel Manual 5.C.7, which breaks it down even further. I could not find any msg from 2003-2008, that addressed BM1, specifically needing to pass DWO. Try the Rating Force Manager homepage, or the BMs School page. Usually there is a great deal of links and sources there.

From NOV 07, BM Force Notes:

"NAVRUL/DWO:
For the NAVRUL exam to meet BM advancement requirements, a member must successfully complete an approved Merchant Marine Rules of the Road Exam (see link below), receive a passing score on the CG Institute NAVRULS end-of-course test or complete the Deck Watch Officer Exam. The only equivalent Merchant Marine Exam for DWO is Module 054XX. Of course, passing this will meet the NAVRUL requirement....."

Also:
From the Old Rating Force Manger (BMCM Charles Bunch),
back in Jan 97. This msg, he sites, is from 1996, and I am unable to locate it.

"Here are some BM updates:

ALCGENL 045/96 provides important information on advancement requirements for BMs.

The new BM qualifications are now in effect.

Passing the Deck Watch Officer exam is now required to advance to BM1. As of February 1, 1997, order the DWO course from the CG Institute through your Educational Services Officer......."

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This Mays SWE will be the last one for BM2'S to take the BM1 SWE with out there DWO PASSES. If you go to PSC there is a link to Eligibility Criteria For The MAY08 SWE.

I checked with PSC today and the PQG new revision 12-2006 the very last page
"The following table outlines Competency Requirements for BM advancement: (as demonstrated by Competency Code assignment in Direct Access)To: BM COMPETENCY REQUIREMENTS

E-4 • Completion of NAVRUL examination with a qualifying score of 90% (The DWINTO examination will also satisfy this requirement)
E-5 • Assigned one of the following competencies: Quartermaster of the Watch (QMOW), Coxswain, or Underway Deck Watch Officer.
E-6 • Certify as Coxswain, and • Completion of the DWINTO or DWINTR examination
E-8 • Board Certified as Officer in Charge (Afloat and Ashore), or Certified Surfman serving in a Surf billet and certified as Officer in Charge Ashore"

I spoke with them for a while and there is no particular task to be completed however if the competency code is not found in direct access (even though your PDE states you're qualified for competition) you will not advance and you'll not only waste your time but your ESOs time and PSC's time and money in sending your SWE when it won't count. (AND THEY WILL CATCH IT IF YOU TRY ) If you want a low mark for integrity then go ahead and give it a try, however your not only making yourself look bad but your command as they are to ensure your EPQs are completed prior to competition per ALCGENL 014/08 4.A.3 & 4.A.5. good luck to all!

The new requirements and new BM PQG needed to be completed by 01FEB2008 for you to be eligible for the May 2008 SWE. Below is the message from July.

http://www.uscg.mil/Reserve/msg07/alcoast/coast323_07.htm

SUBJ: NEW BOATSWAINS MATE (BM) ENLISTED PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATIONS
A. ENLISTED PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATIONS MANUAL, COMDTINST M1414.8
(SERIES)
B. PERSONNEL MANUAL, COMDTINST M1000.6 (SERIES)
1. THIS MESSAGE ANNOUNCES THE AVAILABILITY OF A NEW SET OF BM
ENLISTED PERFORMANCE QUALIFICATIONS (EPQ), REVISION 12-2006. THE
REVISED EPQS ARE BASED ON AN OCCUPATIONAL ANALYSIS OF THE BM
WORKFORCE IAW REF A. THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IS THE INCLUSION
OF NEARLY ALL BOAT CREWMEMBER QUALIFICATION TASKS AT THE E-4 LEVEL.
2. ALL PERSONNEL ARE ENCOURAGED TO BEGIN USING THE BM EPQ (CG-
3303C-BM REV 12-2006) AS SOON AS PRACTICAL BECAUSE THEY ARE MORE
COMPREHENSIVE AND BETTER ALIGNED WITH CURRENT OCCUPATIONAL
REQUIREMENTS. PROFESSIONAL DEVELOPMENT SUPERVISORS (PDS) OR MENTORS
WHO TRANSFER SIGNATURES FOR TASK COMPLETION FROM THE OLD TO THE NEW
EPQ AND PQG RATING COURSES ARE THE ONLY QUALITY ASSURANCE IN THIS
TRANSITION AND MUST CAREFULLY COMPARE TASKS TO ENSURE THEY ARE
DIRECT EQUIVALENTS BEFORE SIGNING THE NEW FORM CG-3303C. IN THE
TRANSITION PERIOD MEMBERS HAVE THE OPTION OF COMPLETING EITHER THE
OLD OR NEW VERSION OF EPQ FOR ELIGIBILITY TO COMPETE IN THE OCT
2007 RESERVE SERVICE-WIDE EXAM (RSWE), THE NOV 2007 ACTIVE DUTY SWE
AND ADVANCEMENT CYCLE, BM3 STRIKER, AND BM2 SUPPLEMENTAL
ADVANCEMENT PROGRAMS. THE NEW EPQ WILL BE REQUIRED TO
COMPETE IN THE 2008 RSWE/SWE AND ADVANCEMENT CYCLES AND THE SWE WILL BE BASED
ON THESE REVISED EPQ. THE NEW BM EPQ WILL BE REQUIRED FOR PLACEMENT
ON THE BM STRIKER AND BM2 SUPPLEMENTAL ADVANCEMENT LISTS EFFECTIVE
01FEB08.
3. THE LATEST EDITION OF THE BM EPQ (CG-3303C-BM REV 12-2006) IS
AVAILABLE VIA THE CG LEARNING PORTAL WEBSITE,
HTTP://LEARNING.USCG.MIL OR THE CG CENTRAL WEBSITE,
HTTP://CGCENTRAL.USCG.MIL (MY WORKSPACE: CAREER MANAGEMENT:
ENLISTED: ADVANCEMENT). A COPY OF THE BM EPQS MAY ALSO BE OBTAINED
FROM THE UNIT EDUCATION SERVICES OFFICER (ESO) OR CAREER
DEVELOPMENT ADVISOR (CDA). THE EPQ RECORD (FORM CG-3303C) STILL
SERVES AS THE OFFICIAL DOCUMENT FOR ANNOTATING COMPLETION OF
ENLISTED QUALIFICATIONS FOR ADVANCEMENT ELIGIBILITY.
4. EFFECTIVE WITH THE DATE OF THIS ALCOAST IS THE RESTORATION OF
THE BM3 ADVANCEMENT REQUIREMENT FOR COMPLETION OF THE USCG
INSTITUTE NAVIGATION RULES (NAVRUL), COURSE CODE-EDITION 0469-4,
WITH A QUALIFYING EXAM SCORE OF 90 PER CENT. THOSE PERSONNEL THAT
DO NOT SUCCESSFULLY PASS THE NAVRUL EXAM DURING A-SCHOOL WILL BE
DESIGNATED A SEAMAN BOATSWAINS MATE(SNBM) UPON GRADUATION AND MAY
BE ADVANCED TO BM3 UPON SUCCESSFUL COMPLETION OF THE TEST.
PERSONNEL ENROLLED IN THE BM3 STRIKER PROGRAM WHOSE NAMES CURRENTLY
APPEAR ON THE STRIKER ADVANCEMENT LIST WILL REMAIN ON THE LIST
UNTIL ADVANCED HAVING MET THE REQUIREMENTS AT THE TIME OF THEIR
PLACEMENT ON THE LIST. NO NEW NAMES WILL BE ADDED TO THE BM3
STRIKER LIST WITHOUT A SUCCESSFUL NAVRUL EXAM. THIS AND OTHER
COMPETENCIES REQUIRED FOR ADVANCEMENT WITHIN THE BM RATING ARE
LISTED FOR CONVENIENCE ON THE LAST PAGE OF THE NEW EPQS.
COMPETENCY REQUIREMENTS WILL BE INCORPORATED INTO FUTURE REVISIONS
OF REF B.
5. THE BM1 (CODE 0112-1) AND BM2 (CODE 0212-1) PERFORMANCE
QUALIFICATION GUIDE (PQG) RATING COURSES ARE NOT COMPLETELY ALIGNED
WITH THE NEW REVISION OF THE EPQS BUT REMAIN EFFECTIVE AND REQUIRED
FOR ADVANCEMENT. NEW PQG RATING COURSES ARE IN DEVELOPMENT NOW AND
ARE EXPECTED TO BECOME AVAILABLE DURING 2008. IT IS IMPORTANT TO
NOTE THAT EPQS AND PQGS ARE ASSOCIATED AND DESIGNED TO BE
ACCOMPLISHED TOGETHER PRIOR TO THE STUDENT BEING ADMINISTERED THE
EOCT.
6. QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BM EPQ SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO THE BM
RATING FORCE MASTER CHIEF, BMCM PHILLIP WOLF (202)372-2296.
QUESTIONS REGARDING THE BM COURSE MATERIAL SHOULD BE DIRECTED TO
THE SUBJECT MATTER SPECIALIST, BMC GEORGE SMITH (757)856-2175.
7. INTERNET RELEASE AUTHORIZED.
8. CAPT D. J. MCCLELLAN, ACTING DIRECTOR OF RESERVE AND TRAINING,
SENDS.
BT

the only misleading fact is there is no sign off for the DWO requirement however it's tucked in the back behind the two pages of glossary and two pages of references, "Competency requirements" come on we're BM's most of us won't look that far after the sign offs

Sorry for posting the wrong info. I just hope that CO's and OIC's are taking note to this before there poeple are taking May 2008 SWE. We should see the # of BM2'S taking the SWE drop, I think.

Part of the reason it is a COMPETENCY requirement vice just an EPQ is so that the SYSTEM looks for it. A SWE should not even be mailed if the competency was not in the system. The likelyhood of someone getting a SWE w/o it is extremely low. That said, great comments above about integrity.

quote:

Originally posted by Mightyz90_93:
Part of the reason it is a COMPETENCY requirement vice just an EPQ is so that the SYSTEM looks for it. A SWE should not even be mailed if the competency was not in the system. The likelyhood of someone getting a SWE w/o it is extremely low. That said, great comments above about integrity.

I received my PDE and it stated "Qualified" and that was why i contacted psc to verify as i knew i hadn't passed the DWO, i was told it's part of the EPQ and that's why it won't pick it up and the command was to verify your EPQ's prior to sitting for it!! that's waht doesn't make sense to me is all the BM's that haven't completed the EPQ's and don't realize it but acording to psc they will be getting a SWE mailed out. it's nice all our programs are supposed to but don't talk to each other and cause some of the confusion!! thanks for the last remark, i just wish more members had it as well!!

DSRidgeway,

You don't have to be sorry man, we're all human!! i just don't want to see people get into trouble by either not knowing or assuming and it backfiring....

6335,

Who did you talk to at PSC. There seems to be somewhat of a disconnect between what they told you
and what I have been dealing with them for more than a month. The advancement requirements
spreadsheet they sent out the last week of January didn't list the DWO as an advancement
requirement so I called them and they, could list a bunch of names but won't, they know
who they are, and they said the last page, page 17 of the EPQ's was not specifically listed
as advancement requirements because they are not EPQ's, they are competencies.

We TRIED to get them put in the upcoming PERSMAN change but...I'll leave it at that.

PSC stated to me, in writing which is beautiful if someone gets screwed on this, the requirements
have to be SPECIFICALLY LISTED in an ALCOAST OR IN THE PERSMAN. So, we are listing them in
the upcoming ALCOAST announcing the new BM1 and BM2 courses. This will SPECIFICALLY LIST THEM
as advancement requirements but will be effective the date of the ALCOAST.

So, email me at my work email who you talked to.

Thanks,

BM RFMC.

MC Awsome response~!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Mfan:
6335,

Who did you talk to at PSC. There seems to be somewhat of a disconnect between what they told you
and what I have been dealing with them for more than a month. The advancement requirements
spreadsheet they sent out the last week of January didn't list the DWO as an advancement
requirement so I called them and they, could list a bunch of names but won't, they know
who they are, and they said the last page, page 17 of the EPQ's was not specifically listed
as advancement requirements because they are not EPQ's, they are competencies.

We TRIED to get them put in the upcoming PERSMAN change but...I'll leave it at that.

PSC stated to me, in writing which is beautiful if someone gets screwed on this, the requirements
have to be SPECIFICALLY LISTED in an ALCOAST OR IN THE PERSMAN. So, we are listing them in
the upcoming ALCOAST announcing the new BM1 and BM2 courses. This will SPECIFICALLY LIST THEM
as advancement requirements but will be effective the date of the ALCOAST.

So, email me at my work email who you talked to.

Thanks,

BM RFMC.

MC,

I don't have the ladies name however it was on the 22nd of FEB. in the future i will get names as i didn't think i needed names (however i'll note that in the future) as i thought they would be the subject matter specialist's on this subject.... No disrepect towards you MC, but they need to get thier ducks in a row as this is getting very frustrating not having any firm written guidance to go off of.. What am i supposed to do take the test and hope i get by with it?? it doesn't seem right! i shoot you an email. BM2