Just wondering if anyone has the link or something to calculate a final swe multiple?

I got one from and airdale awhile ago. the only problem is you need to know test scores and average marks, tis and tir. I used the average from the previous SWE and the scores I knew and it was pretty close to what I got when I made 1st. Just email me. Alfred.J.Mickee@uscg.mil

AJ

A calculator can be made using excell. To compute the final multiple is very basic math. The only number you will not have, however, is the Standard Test Deviation (SD). Only 2 people at Topeka know that score, and they will give it to NOBODY. It changes with every exam, every time the SWE is taken.

Check out this link: http://152.121.2.2/hq/psc/adv/advnews0705.pdf

Mario

You won't have the SD OR the average score for you rate. Both of those numbers are needed. The calculators you can find will get you close, unless there is a major change in SD or AVG.

I've tried doing this over the years as there are a few SWE calculators floating around. They all can get you in the ball park of your score but even if you have everyone else's score you don't have all the info needed to do anything more than guess. Good luck in your endeavors...

Actually, if you have everyone else's score, you can get your exact score. You need more info to get your placement (everyone elses TIG, TIR, Sea Time, Award pts and marks). That's the big issue with the calculators, you cant even get YOUR score accurately w/o knowing everyones test score. If you do have that, then xls can easily figure out avg and SD.

A couple of thoughts on SWE calculators.

They become more accurate for the senior folks. Why?....you might ask. Because for many ratings, as one gets over 20 yrs TIS at the Terminal Eligibility Date (TED), the more senior folks within the test group start to max out more final multiple factors. For example, at the TED, an E8 has 20 + yrs TIS, 5 + yrs TIG and 10 or more award points. Many evals numbers are within a point or two either way. There are two types of standard deviation. You need to make sure you use the correct one. MS Excel Help will explain how to do it. If all the players are honest about their seatime, evals, test score, etc, you will have enough info to put together a caculated list of the top people.

Z90 is right, I mispoke when I said it would give you your score, I meant your multiple. John is spot on, when your up to E8, everything is pretty much a wash so the only big differences are TIR recent promotees. I know YN's have access to all the available data to compile their own list but the morality of doing so is questionable.

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Originally posted by MotoTweet:
Z90 is right, I mispoke when I said it would give you your score, I meant your multiple. John is spot on, when your up to E8, everything is pretty much a wash so the only big differences are TIR recent promotees. I know YN's have access to all the available data to compile their own list but the morality of doing so is questionable.

When I did the calculations for the May05 AMTCM SWE, I had the first 10 people nailed. If I remember correctly, I had the #7 and #8 bodies backwards but within the top 10. I did not calculate past 10. The final multiples were not exact but close enough to rank order the folks in the ball park.

I'm not gonna ask where you got all the data to compile such a list. You had much better luck with it than I did, I think my 4 year old could have done better than my recent attempt. Enjoy your vacation away from the HQ madness...

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I know YN's have access to all the available data to compile their own list but the morality of doing so is questionable.

If you think it is 'questionable' for a YN to do that, I would suggest you go to CG central and read the latest "Good Order and Discipline" shhet. All of the 'questions' will be answered as soon as you read one specific paragraph.

Interestingly enough - I just looked up some data availble on PSCs website. PACM, MSTCM and HSCM were the only SWEs where the avg award points were maxed. That's it - just those three. I think ONE person took the PACM test, so toss out that one. Only ASTCM and AETCM averages were maxed TIS and nobody was maxed TIR.

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Originally posted by MotoTweet:
I'm not gonna ask where you got all the data to compile such a list. You had much better luck with it than I did, I think my 4 year old could have done better than my recent attempt. Enjoy your vacation away from the HQ madness...

At that level, most everyone is in the same peer group so you know some of the info already. The Avi CPO list has more info that is needed. The evals used was the avg from the PSC SWE stats. Any individual gaps (scores, sea time, etc) were resolved with a phone call to the member.

Like I said the final multiples (FM) were only in the ballpark. It doesn't matter if they are exact. Actually, you don't really care what they were. All you want to know is how a member placed on the list. Whether the top 10 folks have a 115 - 118 FM range or have a 155 - 157 FM range, it does not matter. You just need to know how their FM placed the member on the actual list. Once you know that, the FM is no longer needed. It's kind of easy actually. Keep in mind, when you have only 20 - 30 folks doing the SWE, you can do that. When there are 100-200, it's a different story.

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Interestingly enough - I just looked up some data availble on PSCs website. PACM, MSTCM and HSCM were the only SWEs where the avg award points were maxed. That's it - just those three. I think ONE person took the PACM test, so toss out that one. Only ASTCM and AETCM averages were maxed TIS and nobody was maxed TIR.

A sign of the advancement times on the award points and TIR. That equates to either younger folks, alot of new promotees or both.

"Correctly filling in the 150 answer ovals is critical to a correct score. For the May 2005 SWE, 10% of the exams appeared on a report that lists each answer sheet which scanned and scored, but had answers that the scanner could not detect."

That was some interesting information. They should have a rule that says if you incorrectly fill out your SWE sheet, you will not be placed on the list for advancment. That'll teach them to do it right the first time. That would better everyone elses chance at advancing. Why would we need award points?

you can find a final multiple calculator at

http://www.tech-service.net/images/swe_final_multiple.xls

There you can input your numbers and see how you stack up against the mythical average performer.

The only way you will ever get the true average or the true standard deviation is have a test where there are no challenges and you get everyone to send you their raw scores.

In 2005 myself and another perspective AMTC assembled a list of the top twenty. We posted here and had everyone send us their raw score, TIS,TIR etc. When the list came out we were pretty much right on. I tried it this year with the E-8 list but only 3 people sent their info.

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Originally posted by R_BO:
In 2005 myself and another perspective AMTC assembled a list of the top twenty. We posted here and had everyone send us their raw score, TIS,TIR etc. When the list came out we were pretty much right on. I tried it this year with the E-8 list but only 3 people sent their info.

What are you worried about...you're in the bag!!!

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Originally posted by JoeJester:
you can find a final multiple calculator at

http://www.tech-service.net/images/swe_final_multiple.xls

There you can input your numbers and see how you stack up against the mythical average performer.

The only way you will ever get the true average or the true standard deviation is have a test where there are no challenges and you get everyone to send you their raw scores.

Which column do I insert my stats? The gray one?

Yes the gray column

Thanks Chief!

Got a couple of questions, if anyone know's the awnser or where I can find it i would appreciate it.
1. What is the maximum theoreticle point Mult you can get for the SWE exam only. Not the final mult. just what the exam can add to it.
2. How are the points calculated? Is it a belle Curve? Or some other method?
The reason i ask is a few years back i had a raw score of 66/150 and got 51.43 points added to the Mult. I ranked 62/152 of tests taken. One would think you can figure the math out here but the numbers dont add for me. Of course i am not a math major.
any info or a point in the right direction would be apreciated. Thanks.