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We are here and many of us are still being chased by the demons of combat in Vietnam. We have been fighting with the DVA for compensation for our exposure to Agent Orange, PTSD, wounds and having to prove our case without the necessary paper work that never existed, was lost, in Vietnam, or in the DVA system. We are tired, getting old, (I am 71) and have very little hope and confidence in our government system that is more interested in the well being of people of a foreign nation.

I will submit two examples of how is has been for many of us Vietnam Veterans. It took me over 35 years to finally be recognized as combat disabled after I retired from the USMC.

When I applied in 1976, 77, 78 and on, I told them how I felt, how my life was affected by nightmares etc. I was finally rated at 100% due to the information that I had given them over and over again and again. Very few changes in the information were submitted on a continuing basis.

Today I received a call from one of my former Team Leaders in a Marine Recon Platoon that I commanded. After over 42 years he has been awarded 100% disability. He is afflicted with PTSD, Type 2 diabetes, and for wounds received in combat.

One would surmise that him telling the DVA that he has two PURPLE HEARTS, TWO BRONZE STARS and over 100 combat recon patrols would be sufficient information and justification for a disability rating. And it certainly should not take over 42 years.

It is "Deja Vu all over again" for the Veterans of Iraq, Afghan, Somalia etc., etc. We have a niggardly nation that spouts "we support our Veterans" but the end result is that once the shooting stops it is back to business as usual and we are alone to fight for our benefits that we earned working for this nation. Semper Fidelis. Blackcoat.
 
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At least there is some discussion here. Who talks about the forgotten Cold War veterans?
 
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"Ironically, even though there are a myriad of programs and benefits being offered, finding and engaging the veterans has proven to be a challenge and the number of veterans who have come forward to avail themselves of these services is a small percentage of those eligible."

We don't need pity, and we already have education benefits. I will have my degree before I get out, so I will not be availing myself of these programs, either. I may end up not even using my MGIB (or whatever it is replaced by). How about job placement help? Or fixing VA? (I'll be between 40% and 60% disabled when I'm done.)

"Consider the Troops to College initiative. At San Diego State University and the University of California San Diego there are hundreds of veterans enrolled and yet only a few dozen have engaged in the newly formed Student Veterans Organizations."

If they're like most college military-related activities, I shouldn't wonder why not.

"Veteran Service Organizations like the American Legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, and others, are experiencing a similar lack of presence. Only a few Iraq and Afghanistan War veterans are joining these organizations and their current membership of Second World War, Korean, and Vietnam War veterans is rapidly diminishing through natural attrition. To lose these important advocates for veteran's benefits and services would be a real tragedy, yet they are being shunned by the vast majority of the veterans returning from contemporary conflicts."

That is because we go into an American Legion post and see nothing but a bunch of very old men drinking hard liquor at 1000. We spend $35 to join, and discover that our local post doesn't DO anything. We just spent $35 for a magazine and a lapel pin. And if all this happens while we are still Active-Duty, then our memberships lapse, and we never bother to rejoin. Mine lapsed 6 months ago.
 
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Excellent point by Coldwar1. Not that those of us who by accident of fate served between active fighting need services but that we could be a boon to the service organizations if we were allowed to join. We were no less ready to give our all for our nation or our comrades than the warriors of Nam or the desert but were lucky enough to not get the call. We could reinvigorate the American Legion but once again we have not gotten the call so our services are not utilized.
 
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Student Vet Oganization enrollment down? Just like the aftermath of Nam. I was President of our Vet Org. in college after serving in Nam and I found that the main reason the Vet population did not join was, they had had enough of joining organizations that did nothing but rehash old war stories. we set up a plan to help vets with school bills unitl they could help themselves with the lateness of benefits from the VA. No interest loans from a fund which we took donations from RESPONSIBLE CARING citizens and a couple of shows that we put on and charged admission. Also got a Texas Collegiate Coalition of Campus vets organizations (TACVO) and were instrumental in getting the Va and the State of Texas to recognise trade Schools as full time schooling (16 hours or more) and gave those vets (atending classes for 40 hours a week)the ability to attend something besides the recognised university systems. In reality, only the Vets from WWII received their just rewards for service and probably because the Government knew that not to do so would cause a MAJOR revolt in this country. The United States has had a history of treating its vets, especailly combat veterans, with great disdain and it all starts with the Congress. I was at a meeting of our former PTSD class last night. We decided when we were "certified" as completing the course at the Atlanta VA that we would continue on oue own to help each other with our claims and even with support for each other when things got a little "close". One of our members related last night of a buddy from Nam that just died from complications from wounds and Agent Orange. It seems that he was "fighting" for the compensation and care he deserved for the past 40 years and within a month after the VA decided to do thier job, he died and left all the bills, including those he co-paid at the VA over the decades and received no recompense, and problems to his family with no help from the VA who took 4 decades to finally do their duty. In fact his family had to return the money he had received the very month he died, the first month he had received his 100% disability. Where is the justice Congressmen/women? THERE IS NONE for the Korean and Viet vet and when this present conflict calms down and is no longer 95% of the news, it will be the same for these young men and women today. I know personally vets who have given up on the VA years ago and tried to take care of their probelms at civilian entities and even more that continue to muddle through the broken marriages, the isolation, the lack of care and caring and just said. "The hell with the whole thing, I'm going to die anyway, why not sooner than later." These men and women put their lives on the lines for this nation and its citizenry the Nation has no idea, as for the citizenry, what bull our vets have to deal with and all the while the Congress continues with thier "Pork Barrel" PROJECTS and continue to get their benies and pay raises every year and even add to them annually. Our forefathers were worried about this very thing, among others, and rightfully so. They worried about the corruption in a Central Geovernment and the loss of individual and States rights over the Fed, and tried to rectify the situation beforehand but the Congress has bastardized the very Constitution and Bill of Rights that were written and re-written and modified over and over again to keep these things from happening. The Fed and the States can subsidize Illegal Aliens in this Nation but forget the Veteran that enlisted, volunteered, was patriotic enough to put his/her life on the line for the country they love, NO THEY ARE INFLATIONARY. This Nation is on the way down and rightfully so. It is the cONGRESS,the PROFESSIOANL POLITICIAN that has caused it to be so, and ONLY the members of our Military have slowed the descent into oblivion over the centuries. We are the ONLY NATION in the World, past or present, that treats thier veterans with such disdain, with occasional praise through the centuries when it behoves them to do so in light of PUBLIC OPINION. The back bone of our military and our freedom is the enlistee that signs for 2 to 6 years, and only those that are fortunate enough to last 20 or more years are rewarded in any fashion at all without years, decades, of fighting the war of paperwork and words at home instead of the wars we fought elsewhere with bullets. The shooting wars were really much easier and in fact less detriemental to our psyches than the bullets from our sworn enemies. Our real enemy is our so-called PUBLIC SERVANTS and their egos and their graft and their corrution of the taxes from the greatest nation ever formed in the history of mankind. It may even be in my children's lifetime that the United States Of America as the entity it is now and in the past will be but a footnote in the oblivion of little noticed history books.
 
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Student Vet Oganization enrollment down? Just like the aftermath of Nam. I was President of our Vet Org. in college after serving in Nam and I found that the main reason the Vet population did not join was, they had had enough of joining organizations that did nothing but rehash old war stories. we set up a plan to help vets with school bills unitl they could help themselves with the lateness of benefits from the VA. No interest loans from a fund which we took donations from RESPONSIBLE CARING citizens and a couple of shows that we put on and charged admission. Also got a Texas Collegiate Coalition of Campus vets organizations (TACVO) and were instrumental in getting the Va and the State of Texas to recognise trade Schools as full time schooling (16 hours or more) and gave those vets (atending classes for 40 hours a week)the ability to attend something besides the recognised university systems. In reality, only the Vets from WWII received their just rewards for service and probably because the Government knew that not to do so would cause a MAJOR revolt in this country. The United States has had a history of treating its vets, especailly combat veterans, with great disdain and it all starts with the Congress. I was at a meeting of our former PTSD class last night. We decided when we were "certified" as completing the course at the Atlanta VA that we would continue on oue own to help each other with our claims and even with support for each other when things got a little "close". One of our members related last night of a buddy from Nam that just died from complications from wounds and Agent Orange. It seems that he was "fighting" for the compensation and care he deserved for the past 40 years and within a month after the VA decided to do thier job, he died and left all the bills, including those he co-paid at the VA over the decades and received no recompense, and problems to his family with no help from the VA who took 4 decades to finally do their duty. In fact his family had to return the money he had received the very month he died, the first month he had received his 100% disability. Where is the justice Congressmen/women? THERE IS NONE for the Korean and Viet vet and when this present conflict calms down and is no longer 95% of the news, it will be the same for these young men and women today. I know personally vets who have given up on the VA years ago and tried to take care of their probelms at civilian entities and even more that continue to muddle through the broken marriages, the isolation, the lack of care and caring and just said. "The hell with the whole thing, I'm going to die anyway, why not sooner than later." These men and women put their lives on the lines for this nation and its citizenry the Nation has no idea, as for the citizenry, what bull our vets have to deal with and all the while the Congress continues with thier "Pork Barrel" PROJECTS and continue to get their benies and pay raises every year and even add to them annually. Our forefathers were worried about this very thing, among others, and rightfully so. They worried about the corruption in a Central Geovernment and the loss of individual and States rights over the Fed, and tried to rectify the situation beforehand but the Congress has bastardized the very Constitution and Bill of Rights that were written and re-written and modified over and over again to keep these things from happening. The Fed and the States can subsidize Illegal Aliens in this Nation but forget the Veteran that enlisted, volunteered, was patriotic enough to put his/her life on the line for the country they love, NO THEY ARE INFLATIONARY. This Nation is on the way down and rightfully so. It is the cONGRESS,the PROFESSIOANL POLITICIAN that has caused it to be so, and ONLY the members of our Military have slowed the descent into oblivion over the centuries. We are the ONLY NATION in the World, past or present, that treats thier veterans with such disdain, with occasional praise through the centuries when it behoves them to do so in light of PUBLIC OPINION. The back bone of our military and our freedom is the enlistee that signs for 2 to 6 years, and only those that are fortunate enough to last 20 or more years are rewarded in any fashion at all without years, decades, of fighting the war of paperwork and words at home instead of the wars we fought elsewhere with bullets. The shooting wars were really much easier and in fact less detriemental to our psyches than the bullets from our sworn enemies. Our real enemy is our so-called PUBLIC SERVANTS and their egos and their graft and their corrution of the taxes from the greatest nation ever formed in the history of mankind. It may even be in my children's lifetime that the United States Of America as the entity it is now and in the past will be but a footnote in the oblivion of little noticed history books.
Well said the politicians and the citizens of this country rejected us then and now.
 
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I'm a Vietnam era vet. You can blame the VA but I blame the American public and the polititions with their phony self annointed claims of patriotism. I've tired of the empty words of politicians that say "I support the troups" after degrading the military to get on the I hate Bush bandwagon. Why is it that only vets seem to care about other vets? Why is it those that have never been in the military seeem to take no pride in being an American?
 
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I'm a 1966 - 1967 Vietnam Veteran. I received an invatation to join both the American Legion
and rhe Veterans of Foreign Wars. Both organizations spelled my name wrong. These people are supposed to be for Veterans. The least they could do is to make sure that they get the Veterans name and information right. I declined the invation.

I, like you'all, blame the Goverment, the Politicans, and a lot of people who have never served this Country. I respect their right to be against the wars this Country has fought over the years. What I don't respect is their refusal to support the Troops that serve in time of war. There is no excuse for this, Boycott the Goverment but support the Troops at all times.

Some of you blame the Veterans Adminstration. They have rule to follow, rules set by the Goverment. I,ve read that a lot of you have been having trouble getting help. They say that every rule has an exception. I must be that exception or maybe I'm just plain lucky, because I've had no trouble getting any help I've needed from the Veterans Adminstration. I have gotten every thing that I;ve asked for, so far. I've been assigned a Primary Doctor 25 miles from my home. They call me in two to three times a year for check ups. If I need anything that the Doctor cannot handle in the office Doc. sends me to the V.A. hospital to get the problems taken care of. They even give me travel pay to help pay the gas. So far they have taken care of my diabetes, my high blood pressure, and my cholestrol. I have an appointment set for next month for my leg trouble and my hearing.

I can truly say that the Veterans Adminstration
has taken good care of me. All the people I've had contact with went out of their way to accomadate me. They all have my respect. I THANK each and everyone of them.

From a very GRATFUL Veteran.

I truly wish that all of you VETERANS get all the help that you'all deserve, an sooner, the better.

I SALUTE each and every one of you.

I THANK YOU for YOUR service to our COUNTRY.

My GOD BLESS each an every one.
 
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Most folks Vietnam Vet age are still working their second or third career and don't have time to be joining organizations just yet. However, that time is coming soon.

I hope VietNam vets will move together as a unified force and work for the good of all veterans. Many of them are actively advocating on behalf of their kids right now- the Iraqi war vets, and are still too busy to worry about themselves.

I too was miffed when the VFW spelled my name wrong, but that was somebody at the local post hammering out letters on an old Underwood. I joined anyways after a while. I want my voice to be heard, and that's the only way. If you want your needs addressed, run for office and sit on boards and make a difference. The WWII Vets had to fight to get things set up the way they wanted, maybe that's why they've got a stranglehold on things. There's also orgs just for VietNam vets. Go for it! They're for you! Advocate for yourself...it's your job, right, responsibility...no one else's! There isn't a better time...public sentiment toward veterans is very good now and folks respect VietNam vets now more than ever. Tell your stories! We want to know!
 
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