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Originally posted by ErichG2:
I'm three inches short of being DQ'd on Height I'll leave it for all you short folks to figure that out.

Oh and let me refute some of the Army BS towards tall people while I'm in this thread.

1. Legspan has nothing to do with faster running times (it's practice and distance running like everyone else). If it did then shorter Soldiers should be able to do more pushups.....think about it.

2. Tall people do not all like Basketball or were past star players on the Basketball team.

3. The M113 and Bradley do not have enough headroom for any human being.

4. Telephone Pole PT needs to be banned Army wide.

5. NBC or Mopp Suits need to fit everyone accepted for enlistment in the Army. Telling a Soldier to hold their breath in lieu of a properly fitting suit for almost 5 years and 3 different Army component units.....is BS.

6. Tall people were not born for the express purpose of carrying the M60 (I guess this is the SAW now) on a road march, patrol, or movement......short people can carry it too.

OK, off my soap box now.

I'm 6'4" Go about 200 now.

1)The theory on height and distance running in the Army has some factors to concider. If running in formation no one wanted me in the front the pace would kill them. So they put me in the middle which killed me due to having to shorten my stride. The back was ok cause I could space back half a stride and relax.

2,3,5 & 6 You got that right.

4 never heard of that one.

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Originally posted by ErichG2:
If it did then shorter Soldiers should be able to do more pushups.....think about it.

I thought they could!

It always looked like pushups were easier for short people to me. My arms and legs are actually a little long for my height. I wear a 34" inseam. I had to move a long way up and down to break the plain. It seemed like my pushups took twice as long as the short guys. I could do situps like a maniac, though!

I can't stand running, but I can say that it killed me to run the pace of short people. My stride is way too long for formation running. I was never a very good distance runner, though. I was a state class hurdler and a good long jumper, too. The longer the stride, the better I feel. I can still sprint pretty good.

If it wasn't for you short guys. I'ld have no idea what the accordian effect is all about.

Who's got the yo-yo...

we got the yo-yo ....

6'5" , 225

troop runs suck

always gettin told to slow down when in front and always tripping on myself and the guy in front of me if im in the formation, rather run alone. lol

as far as bradlys and mopp gear goes yea...my unit wants to make me a gunner in the damn m3a3...yikes thats a real tight fit.

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Originally posted by Pogue101:

I believe your theory in number 1 is wrong. Assuming that your body proportions are normal, push ups are dictated by your weight and chest/arm strength. Pretty much you have to lift your own weight regardless of how tall or short you are so you it takes the same amount of energy to perform.

Whereas, a longer legspan compared to a shorter person differs in average length from foot to foot that touches the ground with each shift of the foot. To sum up, because a taller person's legs are longer, his steps are "typically" further than that of a smaller individual thus allowing him to require less steps and go further with each thrust than his shorter counterpart.

Well I only have my personal experience to go on here obviously since I can't shorten myself. This is what ticks me off most about the theory in the Army is the Barracks Sports Physcian complete with ESPN sports channel doctoral degree.

Look, taller people weigh more and carry more then a shorter person, leg span has nothing to do with it. I had to work just as hard for my run times as someone that sat on their azz that was shorter.

Arm length on a taller person can be twice as great as a short person which means more distance traveled on the up and down of a pushup = more energy required......if one believes in the long leg theory. I don't believe in the theory so I never whined about this beyond joking with people on the tall person stereotype.

Now, onto the ESPN Sports Channel theories of how tall people make good track stars. If you think about this for a while, my belief is it has more to do with the Nationwide stereotype of who gets picked to be on the track team vs any actual physics. It's Darwinian. You will notice that short people get picked to be Gymnasts BUT they never say on ESPN that Short people are better in Gymnastics.....why is that?

So if your in the Army today, we need to start a rumor that Short People excel in Combatives because they are more agile and after all they excel in Gymnastics......watch it take off in a barracks environment. You'll have all the ESPN educated barracks physicians step forward and say "Yeah, you know.....your right thats true". Before you know it, SGT E5's and above will be discounting short peoples efforts in Combatives based on height alone.....I will have my revenge at last!!!!!

There was a stereotype at Ft. Benning in 1982 when I went through on short people. The DS's were all saying back then that short people make good Paratroopers. Evidently that faded to the background of Army history because along with the Salt Peter rumor.....nobody seems to spread that anymore on Sand Hill that I am aware of. Haven't heard of it on this website.

Seriously, none of this bothered me too much in the Army, I would joke about it but this thread reminded me of it all over again.

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Originally posted by RichM1:
as far as bradlys and mopp gear goes yea...my unit wants to make me a gunner in the damn m3a3...yikes thats a real tight fit.

They offered me a reclass from 11H10E9 to 11M in 1985, just needed to sign an extension of less then 12 months for the MOS change. The crew compartment comparison to a M901A1 ITV to a M2 Bradley is what did it for me. No freakin way!

Back then they had two configurations for the Bradley. One for Cavalry, One for Infantry. Probably still do....not sure though, haven't looked. I saw the Stryker at Ft. Benning in 2007 and thats like a stretch limo Cadillac.

I had a PltSgt that was 6'5" and did his 2nd tour in Nam as a tanker. I always wondered how.

Stepped on the guy in front of me once and crashed the formation.(fortunately on grass) I went to the back from then on.

MP corp had hieght minimums so the percentage of tall people was higher.

5'5 though the Army said I was 5'4


Pogue101 trust me being tall when it comes to running SUCKS. Matt is 6'1 and let me tell you he is not a happy camper when it comes to running in formation. it hurts like hell to have to shorten your step. Or other such fun things that happen during a formation run. Out side of that he's an ok runner. not the fastest or the slowest. Just ok.

I am 24 inches laying down.

5'9" in old money

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Originally posted by Pogue101:

quote:

Originally posted by ErichG2:
I'm three inches short of being DQ'd on Height I'll leave it for all you short folks to figure that out.

Oh and let me refute some of the Army BS towards tall people while I'm in this thread.

1. Legspan has nothing to do with faster running times (it's practice and distance running like everyone else). If it did then shorter Soldiers should be able to do more pushups.....think about it.

2. Tall people do not all like Basketball or were past star players on the Basketball team.

3. The M113 and Bradley do not have enough headroom for any human being.

4. Telephone Pole PT needs to be banned Army wide.

5. NBC or Mopp Suits need to fit everyone accepted for enlistment in the Army. Telling a Soldier to hold their breath in lieu of a properly fitting suit for almost 5 years and 3 different Army component units.....is BS.

6. Tall people were not born for the express purpose of carrying the M60 (I guess this is the SAW now) on a road march, patrol, or movement......short people can carry it too.

OK, off my soap box now.

I believe your theory in number 1 is wrong. Assuming that your body proportions are normal, push ups are dictated by your weight and chest/arm strength. Pretty much you have to lift your own weight regardless of how tall or short you are so you it takes the same amount of energy to perform.

Whereas, a longer legspan compared to a shorter person differs in average length from foot to foot that touches the ground with each shift of the foot. To sum up, because a taller person's legs are longer, his steps are "typically" further than that of a smaller individual thus allowing him to require less steps and go further with each thrust than his shorter counterpart.

Short people are usually lighter than tall people, thus they have less body to carry when running. Some may say taller people should be used to their weight, but we are humans, not gazelles. We don't run around all day long looking for food. I sit or sleep 99% of the time. We won't even touch on the amount of energy required for a 200 pound person to run 2 miles compared to a 150 pound person.

Push ups are much easier for short people compared to tall people because they have shorter arms and less distance to push their bodies up from the ground, expending less energy and taking less time for each rep, even if microseconds. Some may once again say tall people should be used to their weight and should be able to do more since they are generally stronger than short people. This leads me to say that you would be absolutely correct if we lived on a planet where people walked on our hands all day long. I suppose our arms could get used to the weight that way.

Long story short, I guarantee if the Army did its research it would find out that the average height of people who get 300s on their PT tests can't be any more than say 5' 10". I'm sure the average wieght is about 150.

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Originally posted by WiFiWarrior:
Short people are usually lighter than tall people, thus they have less body to carry when running.

That's only true if they're short, skinny people. I weighed about 125 or 130 when I got to Ft. Benning at 6'. I never went above 170.

I knew a lot of guys four or five inches shorter than me who weighed as much as I did.

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Push ups are much easier for short people compared to tall people because they have shorter arms and less distance to push their bodies up from the ground, expending less energy and taking less time for each rep, even if microseconds.

I absolutely believe that.

It amazed me how fast short guys did pushups. It was like they were just bouncing up and down.

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Originally posted by airdiablo6:

She is at a good height for him.

In my prime and younger days I was 6'2" & 250lbs. I'm 66 and still 6'1"&245. The weight has shifted around somewhat. Instead of a cute BUTT, I have a front Butt. Or as we used to call them A donelap. In boot camp I could do thirty pushup's, I can still do 20 without a break. My best effort was 40 P.U's. That was for something stupid I did .? The D.I made me do 20, I jumped up with a smile on my face so I had to do 10 more. I came to attention with a grin and did another 10. That time I stood at attention than crossed my arm's and smiled and said. ANYTHING ELSE ? The A-- H--- slapped me. I stumbled forward and he and I both went down,me on top. I did 30 to 40 P.U.'s. everday for the next week's. I never knew why most recruits hated pushup's

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Originally posted by ErichG2:

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Originally posted by RichM1:
as far as bradlys and mopp gear goes yea...my unit wants to make me a gunner in the damn m3a3...yikes thats a real tight fit.

They offered me a reclass from 11H10E9 to 11M in 1985, just needed to sign an extension of less then 12 months for the MOS change. The crew compartment comparison to a M901A1 ITV to a M2 Bradley is what did it for me. No freakin way!

Back then they had two configurations for the Bradley. One for Cavalry, One for Infantry. Probably still do....not sure though, haven't looked. I saw the Stryker at Ft. Benning in 2007 and thats like a stretch limo Cadillac.

Strech Limo ? Try being 6'1" & 275 and be a stryker driver. I'd say more of a contortionest. Than stretched out.

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Originally posted by ErichG2:

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Originally posted by RichM1:
as far as bradlys and mopp gear goes yea...my unit wants to make me a gunner in the damn m3a3...yikes thats a real tight fit.

They offered me a reclass from 11H10E9 to 11M in 1985, just needed to sign an extension of less then 12 months for the MOS change. The crew compartment comparison to a M901A1 ITV to a M2 Bradley is what did it for me. No freakin way!

Back then they had two configurations for the Bradley. One for Cavalry, One for Infantry. Probably still do....not sure though, haven't looked. I saw the Stryker at Ft. Benning in 2007 and thats like a stretch limo Cadillac.

they still have that, and then some, the newer brads re did the dismount compartment to eliminate the retarded post with 2 seats in the very center of the floor to a nice wide bench on one side...much better.

I'm as tall as you can stack ****...

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Originally posted by PepeLep:

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Originally posted by WiFiWarrior:
Short people are usually lighter than tall people, thus they have less body to carry when running.

That's only true if they're short, skinny people. I weighed about 125 or 130 when I got to Ft. Benning at 6'. I never went above 170.

I knew a lot of guys four or five inches shorter than me who weighed as much as I did.

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Push ups are much easier for short people compared to tall people because they have shorter arms and less distance to push their bodies up from the ground, expending less energy and taking less time for each rep, even if microseconds.

I absolutely believe that.

It amazed me how fast short guys did pushups. It was like they were just bouncing up and down.

Right, that's why midgets and babies can do tons of push-ups.

That's why I could do a lot of sit-ups too.
Didn't have as far to sit up.