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I was remembering, for some reason, the woman who got mauled by a chimp. I also remember debating it at work and hearing people say chimps are like 4 to 10 times stronger than humans. I googled it and kept reading chimps are 4 to 10 times stronger than humans. Like 90%of the things I hear at work that are supposed to be "fact", people hear from other people who hear from other people who "read it once" that chimps are 5 to 10 times stonger than humans. Well, I read for myself about studies done almost a 100 years ago that found that chimps were indeed 5 times stronger than humans. I also read that those studies were proven flawed. I found more recent studies that do uphold that chimps are stronger than humans, but only twice as strong pound for pound. Thus, a 100 pound chimp is about as strong as a 200 pound man. The average chimp is 100 pounds while the average human male is 175 pounds. Therefore the average chimp is 14.3% stronger than the average male human. That's not nearly as much stronger as water cooler logic dictates. I'm not 200 pounds anymore now that I lost some weight, but what I lost was all fat and gained a slight amount of muscle. So I am approximately the same strength as the average chimp.
What advantages would I have over the average chimp? For starters, I much smarter (I hope!). I can use my brain and knowledge of hand-to-hand combatives against the chimp. In a life or death struggle, people have been know to summon incredible amounts of strength to overcome great physical obstacles. However, that's pretty much the milit of my advantages.
What are the advantages the chimp would have over me? For starters, chimps also have knowledge of hand-to-hand combat. It's how they eat. Chimps have much larger and sharper teeth than us that can chew our faces and balls off in seconds. They also have very very sharp claws that could rip our bellies open. They can run faster and jump further. They're quicker and more agile. They have denser bones. It's not looking good for me. However, most chimp vs chimp fights end when the other submits and runs off. Could the human use this to fool the chimp?
There are a lot of variables that make the question of who would win in a fight, chimp or man, complicated to answer. Is the man a skilled fighter? How intelligent is the man? What physical condition is he in? Is the chimp wild or tame? Has the chimp been in captivity all its life, or has every day been a life or death struggle to live?
Average chimp vs. average man, I think the chimp wins. It's not so as lopsided as myths, legends, and water cooler "facts" would have you believe. I think it all depends on the chimp and the person. I absolutely think there are humans that could rightly route the average chimp. I think your best UFC guys undoubtedly could. I think big huge guys with dexterity and agility would win as well, like the Ray Lewis's of the world. How about the regular guy who's a little bigger, little stronger, little faster, little more athletic, and more knowledgable at combatives than the average male human? How would he do against the average chimp? How would I do? Of course I think I would win, but people tend to have an inflated opinion of themselves. How would I do against an unusually large chimp, say 150 lbs? I'd be in trouble. What kind of man does it take to beat a 150 pound chimp? How small does the chimp have to be before it's an easy fight for the average man? Some chimps only grow to 70 pounds. This would make him about as strong as the average 140 pound human? 140 pound humans are pretty small and weak. Give them sharp teeth, claws, speed, and leaping ability. Does that even the odds?
So who wins? Chimp or man?
If I were going into a fight with a chimp, I'd use the standard fight logic... Don't bring a knife to a gunfight and don't bring a gun that doesn't start with at least the number 4.
So I guess in the respect that I can plan better, I think I would win. As I learned in corrections, "the only fair fight is the one you lose."
"What advantages would I have over the average chimp?"
You can drive. Get in your car and run over his sunny beach behind!
I know some monkees I would'nt want to mess with , you can see their handy-work if you google trunk monkeys .
I say the man wins, If that wasn't true we would be living in the Planet of the Apes. I agree that if a chimp was shown incredible aggression it would be intimated.
Unless it was a chimp on crack ,, then you may have a problem.
I kind of want to kick the shi-t out of Bubbles right now.
Interesting subject. Out of curiosity WiFi, what do you do with your free time?
I think the man would win over the chimp.
What about a baboon vs. man fight? Those ****kers are ferocious and I think they are down right mean.
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I personally think the average chimp would win. I think the bigger guys, like 200 pounds and above would have the best chance at taking a chimp. Smaller guys who are good at wrestling rely on their quickness. Their quickness would be worthless against a chimp. The only advantage one would have over a chimp is strength, if you were strong enough and it wasn't a big chimp.
I read that chimps are stronger than baboons, but baboons have more vicious bites. I don't know about that one.
How about man vs. pit bull? I'd much rather tangle with a pit bull than a chimp. Pit bulls obviously have killer bites, but no grappling ability. Once you can get on a pit bull and apply a choke he's done for. The problem would be getting close enough to applying the choke.
The smallest cat I think I could take is maybe a cheetah, maybe. It would be tough, I bet. Realistically, I think I could take any of the North American cats except mountain lion/puma/panther. Bobcats would be all mine.
I'm not tangling with any mountain lions , I came across one in Tennesee and it scared the crap out of me.
All I saw was a set of glowing eyes and it made the unmistakable hiss....
At the time I used to carry a machete' to the field, don't know how much good it would have done if the cat decided to leap.
I read that they can leap over 20ft. And they stalk their prey.
As far as the PitBull. I've seen a first hand attack, It bit the back of my neighbor's leg and swallowed the pieces including her pants, she was lucky because the dog didn't get an artery. As far as being able choke it out, I would say that's next to impossible , the dogs are pure muscle and that would have almost no effect on it. I went straight for the eyes and it let go. Luckily it didn't turn on me.
I also had a run in with some Wild Boar in Germany. Another animal you don't want to mess with.
This thread reminds me of one I started a long time ago in the Infantry forums. Encounters with wildlife. People forget Soldiers are living outdoors you are going to run into wild animals.
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Man vs chimp? I'd put my money on the chimp.
Not only are they stronger, they have those big ass canines. As I recall, the lady that was attacked got her fingers, face, and scalp bit off or torn off.
I wonder what their bite power is? They are omnivores, so those teeth probably got a powerful bite behind them. Enough to crush bone maybe? Even without that, imagine having a chimp size chunk of flesh missing, you'll bleed out pretty quick, faster if there is more than one bite, and you're done for.
Same with the Pitt Bulls. If they get a hold of you, they've inflicted a serious injury. I grew up with Bull Terriers and Pitt Bulls, and I've seen them kill animals such as ground hogs, possums, and raccoons. It is SCARRY when they go into "kill" mode. You can't get them to stop until something is dead.
Man without his tools/weapons is a pretty helpless creature compared to the other inhabitants of the planet.
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I saw a video earlier today where a chimp attacked a regular guy. The guy was kind of scrawny actually. He reminded me of something we have on chimps that may be our biggest advantage - height advantage. The first few seconds the chimp had him, but as soon as the guy got up and used leverage to his advantage he rolled the chimp over into a ball. The guy was winning until the chimp's buddies came along. If you go to youtube and search "chimp vs man" it's the first video.
I still think people are overestimating chimp strength. A 100 pound chimp is equivalent in strength to a 200 pound man. That said, most body builders are easily 200 lbs plus. Your Arnold types are going to be far superior in strength to the average chimp. Combine that with a huge height advantage and the chimp is cake. I'd put my money on a large 250 pound man over a chimp anyday.
Hahahaha,oh that had me rolling on the floor. Too funny man. It's true though this post makes me wanna fight a chimp haha
IronErik is right about the Pitbulls, I had one that lived till 14yrs old and that thing when it went into "kill mode" like he said, it was in a berserk state. I used to feel like my " loving dog" left and it was just a killing machine.
A quick story on that, my neighbors used to have this big a$$ rotwiler (sp?), and that dog sucked it used to get out of the yard and attack people and chase other dogs. So one time I was walking my dog, and all of the sudden out of the blue this dog comes charging at us before I could even think BAM my dog has the rottys throat in his mouth. The neighbors come out try pulling my dog off, which I told them was a bad idea with the throat in the mouth. I had to go inside and get a screwdriver to pry his jaws open.
Well in the 14 yrs I usually had something on me when I walked him to pry his jaws open just incase. He was the friendliest dog in the world but if anything tried to attack him, well I feel sorry for that poor animal.
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I got a different perspective on that video. To me it looked like the man was getting the worst end of it. The other chimps, and the guys partner seemed to be jsut watching,. In the end, it looked like the guy jumped in the water to get away.
I'll look at again later, I got to go to a Christmas get together right now.
I remember a news report from a few years ago, a chimp attacked a guy in California and ripped his........crank off. The entire package, Big Jim and the Twins.
The guy bled out before the eMTs got there. massive blood loss.
National Geographic has a program that shows Chimps and how territorial they are. It shows a pack of Chimps out checking their territory. It looks like an Infantry Platoon on patrol. They don't use the Wedge Formation, but they do use flankers and sent scouts out in front.
When they find a Chimp from a rival group, they kill and eat it.
Remember the story of the pet chimp from last year that had been docile for oh 30 or so years as a family pet, then opened a can of kick *ss one day on a family friend ? It gouged out both eyes, bit off all the fingers on one hand, and ripped half her face off ?
Humans wear shoes, dont have appreciable fangs, and also have shorter arms.
I live in Alaska, and I'll tell you one thing I never want to tangle with is a bear. My wife and I go camping all the time, but we won't go out without bringing at least a large caliber handgun with us...too damn scary.
We own a schipperke dog, (Norwegian boat-dog...about 11 pounds or so) and I've heard stories from other owners that say that these dogs are so quick and agile that they'll run a bear off. The guy I talked to said that his schipperke would run around the bear and bite it in the butt...then when the bear would turn around to swat it, the dog would just haul azz around and bite it again!
No weapons, right? You haven't got a chance against a full-grown male chimp. Why? Well, let's start with mental inhibitions. If someone hands you a 200 pound weight and says, "Lift that over your head." You will immediately think, "I don't think I can lift that!" A chimp has no such inhibition with that or killing or maiming or anything else. If he needs or wants to do something. He will simply do it with 100% of his muscle capability. You're lucky if you ever use 50%, because your brain puts the brakes on at the first hint of pain. So, you grab his wrist to stop his hand. He grabs your wrist to pull your arm off, and can, and will - -
Now another thing, do you think of biting? As a kid, I was small. So when bullies started hitting on me, I always knew I'd take a beating, so I wanted them to pay for it, and I did that by running in close and latching on with my teeth anywhere I could. Then hang on until the kid's screaming brought adults to break it up. It got to where bullies wouldn't get anywhere close to me!
Well, a chimp is an animal, not a person; and its teeth are still its primary offensive weapon. So its gona do the same thing - rush in close with those powerful hands and feet, that can both GRAB you, then latch on with its REAL artillery and tear you to pieces. And don't think they are put off by the sight or taste of blood. Jane Goodall learned to her surprise and horror that chimp tribes not only make war on eachother for territory, but they most often eat those they kill! They do the same to baboons. Most "pet" chimps have had their K-9s removed. That smile means business!!
Pictures really are worth a thousand words, Greywolfghost. I had no idea about the kind of teeth or jaws that chimps have.
Advantage,(probably match, too)to Mr. Chimp.
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Ok...that's some scary **** to be meeting up close and personal...
I'm betting a chimp can take on 3+ average men at a time. I remember reading about a chimp mauling last year... within seconds the chimp bit off his nose/upper/lower lip clean off and ripped off his testicles. They're freaking brutal. If you think an average man would win, Google pics of maulings, and you'd probably change your mind.
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