His address AND telephone number are on the internet? Why doesn't he just scan a picture of his driver's license and his social security card to put on his profile. What the hell is this idiot thinking...

I wouldn't be surprised if something showed up at his house. Like a package with 2 dead bloody fish wrapped up in his poser uniform.

I'm not advocating that anybody actually send him a 'message' but it the thought of it is kind of funny.

Give this to Clemenza!

^^^^ Just to let you know, I was a Unit Armorer once way back when I was in service. I would have concerns about issuing you a rifle or live ammo based on what you have posted on this website recently.

I understand your sense of humor might be a little different then others. Again, you need to think of what suggestive images you post and how you phrase things in your posts on a Military website in a time of war.

Take that FWIW.

Well look, I'm not thinking up crazy things like "put a bloody fish on the guy's door." That's a reference to The Godfather. You know the scene when they send the message to say "Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes?" They put 2 dead fishes in his bullet proof vest. I guess nobody read between the lines, or they didn't get that reference because they aren't familiar with the movie. It really does sound creepy and inappropriate if people aren't familiar with that reference. I definately see your point though; who would want a guy running around with a deadly weapon when it would appear that he is advocating such crazy things?!

My point is that some people are deeply offended when somebody puts on a military uniform and pretends to be in the service for personal gain (which seems to be the case here), when they are in fact not in the service. I don't advocate that anybody takes any illegal actions against this guy; my point is that I wouldn't be surprised if it did happen, simply because this guy's full contact information AND his picture is on the internet for tens of thousands of service members, their families, and their friends to see.

Just keep this in mind. My father knew some people who were killed back when he served in Vietnam. He personally knew the family of the soldier killed. The parents of the guy were devastated. They were also very proud of military service, and according to my father, they would defend the military whenever somebody started saying negative things about our troops, people in the military, etc. If you know about history back then, people called the troops "baby killers" and all that; and the families of those affected by the loss of a child would probably knock the crap out of anybody saying their son, who sacraficed his life, is a "baby killer."

For a family who loses their child in war, it is a great loss and it changes that family forever. They defend their children's service in the military usually; and they are very sensitive when somebody degrades the military because of their family's sacrafice.

Moreover, it is degrading to the military and to anybody who has died in war, as well as their families, for somebody to pose as a soldier for personal gain. It's like a slap in the face to anybody who has served, or who has lost somebody who has served.

I was only implying that maybe somebody out there who was offended, for whatever reason, might do something in retaliation since the poser's personal information is online.

I hope that clarifies what I meant originally. I don't advocate intimidation in any way. And I wouldn't put any bloody fish on somebody's door because 1) it's illegal and 2) people can really take it the wrong way, like what has happened here. Again, I fully apologize if anybody took this the wrong way.

This Off Topic area is for nonsense and posting off color humor so by itself the post here is not a problem. It wasn't this post by itself it was an aggregation of about 3-4 made over the last week across the website.

The one where I was starting to get concerned was the picture of a bear in a hangmans noose. Then you going on in a post under it about past psychiatric issues you had as a kid.....so in conjunction with your first post here....

Thats where the misinterpretation was.

It's good that you cleared it up.

I just have to add I would have no problem slapping that poser with a fish.

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Originally posted by ErichG2:
This Off Topic area is for nonsense and posting off color humor so by itself the post here is not a problem. It wasn't this post by itself it was an aggregation of about 3-4 made over the last week across the website.

The one where I was starting to get concerned was the picture of a bear in a hangmans noose. Then you going on in a post under it about past psychiatric issues you had as a kid.....so in conjunction with your first post here....

Thats where the misinterpretation was.

It's good that you cleared it up.

It's my pleasure to clear that kind of crap up. I honestly thought I was gonna get banned from the forum for trying to explain myself. I thought nobody wanted to hear about it, and that it would just irritate the moderator who closed my original post. Well it's good to see that somebody actually got my point

As for the pic of the bear in the noose, I only posted it because somebody said "this post put a smile on my face." I only assumed that when that particular person wrote that, they were referring to the part of when I put a stuffed animal in a noose; simply because that was the only line in the entire post that was remotely humorous. So that's why I posted the picture. In retrospect, it is inappropriate for a recruiting thread, but maybe more appropriate for off-color threads such as this one.

I actually wish a mod would re-open that post because I had some very legitimate questions/issues. That's probably something that has never happened here on military.com because it seems that when a post is locked, it's because a mod is so irritated that fire and brimstone is coming out of his eyes to scorn that poster

And yes, I would also enjoy slapping the poser, but with my closed fist

By the way, I never had psychiatric issues. The police can take somebody in for being 'danger to self', but the police are a far cry from a psychiatrist. The police go to school for 2 years for their career, as opposed to 12 for a real MD. And my psychiatrist who evaluated me back in the day says I am as sane as anybody

Your not going to get Banned he was threatening suspension for the same reason I was concerned.

The problem with the suicide suggestive pictures is we unfortunately have had some suicide threats and Military.com is paranoid of them as they should be. Thats why he took down your picture and closed the thread.

Don't worry about it. I got threatened once with suspension via a Mod who later went a little mental in Hot Topics........it was over Back Pack Nukes in the Cold War of all things (yeah the topic was so stupid I couldn't let it go unchallenged)......so happens to everyone.

Just repost your question or ask the Mod there first if you can do so. Bert is a cool guy if you want I can talk to him about it, since I probably caused it partly with my post.

+++++++++++++ On the question:

Your the only guy that can answer that question. IMO, if a Army NCO is making you do pushups and you have not enlisted yet....he doesn't respect you, even in the DEP it is unacceptable unless it is for a PT program. Thats the message he is sending to you and others.....he doesn't respect you.

So you have to ask yourself are you going to stand up for yourself and let him do that or are you going to talk to him man to man about his behavior. He will respect you more if you do the latter. He will respect you less if you continue to submit.

In the real Army it's kind of dangerous to let that go on because it can cause real harm to your Military career and possibly to you physically if others see it and join in.....it can get out of control.

When it happens and your in the Army you need to ask to speak with the NCO privately and tell him what you think. If he ignores you, you keep going higher to the next person up in the chain of command until he backs down. He will back down because the behavior is inappropriate and he can lose rank if you get injured because he IS responsible for you.

Some Army NCO's get promoted too fast. It is just a fact of life you have to deal with when you come across it. It is NOT his job to screen you on his own or test your mental toughness. His job is to ensure the paperwork is complete, advise you properly, and make sure you make your appointments.

Hope that helps. Respect him and his service when you address this. Don't be a jerk, be polite and respectful of his rank, remember even if he is abusing it....he did earn the rank.

Yeah Eric I would appreciate it if you talked to Bert to see if we can re-open that post. I've read his posts and he has some good information, so it is unfortunate that he closed my post. Because now the 'poser story' is becoming intermingled with my original thread that got closed. This thread is becoming hijacked.

And as for the suicide thing; some people just can't handle themselves. They immediately think to themselves "I'll kill myself if such and such doesn't go my way." It almost becomes a defense mechanism; an automated response, to these people. Things aren't going their way, so they think "I'll kill myself, that will show the world. If I threaten suicide then people will do what I want." Most oftentimes it is used to get attention, for shock value, etc. If a person really wants to kill themselves, they aren't going to say "okay everybody, you'll be missing me in a little while after I kill myself then you'll be sorry! I'm warning you, i'm really going to do it now! Goodbye everybody! Okay now I'm really seriously going to do it!" In most suicide cases, people do it after they've deeply contemplated it for a while and they come to realize that they do not want any sort of intervention. The other case is when people impulsively kill themselves in reaction to an event that they cannot cope with in a healthy manner.

And if you want to know how I know all this, I've spent considerable time reading about the psychology of suicidal individuals. My step-uncle actually jumped off the golden gate bridge back in the 60's because he was on a massive amount of drugs back then. Let me tell you, you don't jump off the golden gate bridge if you aren't serious about it.

So anyways, moving on.

I also kind of feel like the recruiter doesn't respect me. It seems as if he is abusing his authority; that was my first thought. My second thought was that he was maybe just trying to get me in the mindset of being "tough." I was thinking, maybe he was getting me in the state of mind that I have to do everything people tell me without question. But it did seem like he was making a point to disrespect me for a show value. It really is good to have had a second opinion.

What bothered me VERY much is 1) when he asked, 'have you ever seen a counselor', and I said 'yes', he then looked annoyed and said 'no, you haven't' and then proceeded with the form. He told me he can make me E-4 because of my background, when I have no college credits. I think this guy is blowing smoke and it is most likely not a good idea to enlist with him.

I have also contacted neighboring recruting stations and informed them of the situation, that this guy is trying to get me to lie on my paperwork. It would seem as if they are annoyed with me and taking his side, as they seem kind of unwilling to help me. It's a mentality where they are covering one-another's back regardless if it is right or wrong.

I think I'll try enlisting with a recruiter in San Francisco or something. It's not necessarily local but it is within driving distance.

I don't want to get popped off for fraudulent enlistment at any point in my career. I don't want to live a lie because that really *would* make me go insane. And it says something about one's character if you are easily influenced (intimidated) by a recruiter to lie on enlistment papers. If you can't stand up to a recruiter, how the hell are you gonna confront a militant in the field without your knees buckling out of fear???

End of rant!

^^^ I'll send Bert an Email when I get a chance, it is his Forum and his rules though. He is probably not going to reopen the topic because Military.com frowns on that. Once it is closed it's closed. So your alternative is probably just to post and start a new thread.

Here is the deal with that last post. Your railing on Recruiters and Bert used to be a Recruiter. I used to work with Recruiters and they bust their azz most of them so kind of phrase your next post a little more professionally in regards to Recruiters. Most Recruiters are honest and decent.

On your issue.....really not a gold ole boys network between recruiters. I think it is the way you are presenting either yourself or the problem to the next Recruiter. Also, they are leary of getting involved in some other Recruiters recruit problems......so that could be it as well. I can't tell, I'm not there with you.

Like I said before though. The guy is a NCO, you need to speak with him about the issue directly and if he doesn't comply to your wishes (you are the customer here), go over his head.

He should be treating you professionally, really not his job to administer his own tests on mental toughness, etc. Thats a sign of immaturity in my view. If his immediate Chain of Command does not see that...then go over their heads. Sooner or later someone is going to understand your serious.

The problem with dropping you for pushups before your enlisted is you have no Army sponsored Medical care and he is doing that in a Army Facility. If you collapse from fatique and slam on the floor and/or injure yourself.....your Recruiter is going to lose rank more then likely.

The lying on the paperwork stuff, you are correct is something you should avoid. Your Recruiter can go to jail for advising you to do so if he is caught. It's hard to prove if it is your word against his. He is a NCO in the Army and your trying to enlist. So automatically you have a credibility problem there. One of your Parents can reverse that situation fast though. Nothing scares the Army more then a Angry Parent.

Like I said though, regardless of his trangressions in the past, you need to treat him and his rank with respect and address this man-to-man and face-to-face first. That should be your first option. Second option is to dump him as a Recruiter.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by yesdrillsergeant:

And as for the suicide thing; some people just can't handle themselves. They immediately think to themselves "I'll kill myself if such and such doesn't go my way." It almost becomes a defense mechanism; an automated response, to these people. Things aren't going their way, so they think "I'll kill myself, that will show the world. If I threaten suicide then people will do what I want." Most oftentimes it is used to get attention, for shock value, etc. If a person really wants to kill themselves, they aren't going to say "okay everybody, you'll be missing me in a little while after I kill myself then you'll be sorry! I'm warning you, i'm really going to do it now! Goodbye everybody! Okay now I'm really seriously going to do it!" In most suicide cases, people do it after they've deeply contemplated it for a while and they come to realize that they do not want any sort of intervention. The other case is when people impulsively kill themselves in reaction to an event that they cannot cope with in a healthy manner.

And if you want to know how I know all this, I've spent considerable time reading about the psychology of suicidal individuals. My step-uncle actually jumped off the golden gate bridge back in the 60's because he was on a massive amount of drugs back then. Let me tell you, you don't jump off the golden gate bridge if you aren't serious about it.

This is I supposes the wrong place to comment on this,but suicide is a serious thing and should not be taken lightly, If a person says they are going to do such a thing, no matter what you think of the person she or he just might follow thru,My brother atempted suicide twice I thought and the family thougt it was over a girl who left him and may have wanted attention. one day he ran off to another state and called my mother after we had found letters saying his good byes to us all, his calls was hurting my mother so bad, I took the phone from her and told him how bad he was hurting mom, and if he was going to do it do it, well he came back home,we thought everything was fine, three days later mom found him dead in his bed, I live with what I said everyday,so if someone says anything that sends up red flags I try to be more understanding and get them help.it may seem like a easy way out but the hurt and pain they put on the family last forever.If this has ever crossed your mind please talk to someone and look at the effects it has on others,to my military buddies, you have fought hard and America is proud of you,your family loves you,and we your Veteran buddies love you and want you to know we are here thru the thick and the thin,Never feel you are alone,if you fall we all fall, thats the bond we have, and no one can take that away,Stand Tall and Proud you have done your part and now let us do ours in bringing you home with Honor, God Bless You and Amercia.

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Just keep this in mind. My father knew some people who were killed back when he served in Vietnam. He personally knew the family of the soldier killed. The parents of the guy were devastated. They were also very proud of military service, and according to my father, they would defend the military whenever somebody started saying negative things about our troops, people in the military, etc. If you know about history back then, people called the troops "baby killers" and all that; and the families of those affected by the loss of a child would probably knock the crap out of anybody saying their son, who sacraficed his life, is a "baby killer."

For a family who loses their child in war, it is a great loss and it changes that family forever. They defend their children's service in the military usually; and they are very sensitive when somebody degrades the military because of their family's sacrafice.

Counterpoint: Cindy Sheehan.

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Originally posted by 20802653:

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Originally posted by azmax64:
A poser on tagged.

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What I may find entertaining. This smegma drip is local to Dallas.

Is it my imagination, or does this guy look alot like Nazi Dr. Josef Goebbels?

This guy is wearing Infantry Blue on his Company Grade Dress Blue Cap. WRONG! Bronze Star ahead of DSC, WRONG! No CIB, WRONG! No service ribbons other than reserve, WRONG! No branch insignia on lapels. WRONG! No regimental affiliation crest above name tag. WRONG! That uniform is about as messed up as a soup sandwich.

Hey guys..

I just wanted to say that I respect my recruiter and his many years of service. I'm not trying to present him in a bad light. To the contrary, he has been very helpful with me in the beginning. He went out of his way to meet me out of his office on his own time during our first meeting, and that is something that I admired and respected. I would hate to feel as if he is annoyed with me, however. This is because the guy has almost 30 something years in the service (I think he said he joined in the early 70's.)

I don't forsee the post being reopened once it was closed. I only hope that I don't get canned or banned for starting a new post...I respect each and every member of military.com's forums and I don't want to **** off the moderators.

As for 2ndD:

I'm so sorry that your brother committed suicide. It is because of your situation that suicide is taken very seriously. It hurts everybody involved. The grief that a suicidal individual experiences is nothing compared to the collective grief experienced by the remaining family members. I don't know what to say about this situation, because you know..I couldn't offer as many condolences as I'd like to via a text forum. Don't let the words you said get to you though. You couldn't have forseen what was going to happen. Hindsight is always 20/20. Please man...don't beat yourself up for what happened, because what happend has happened and you cannot change the past. I can only hope that your experience can help others who are coping with a loss; provided that you can talk with other people about this. While what happened in your life is tragic, if you have the strength and courage to talk openly about it, you can use this story to help countless others who are suffering emotional distress.

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Cindy Sheehan.

Yeah she is as fruity as they come.

Oh I'd like to point out that I don't really have contact with my parents. I'm in my mid 20's and I don't use mommy and daddy as my 'attack dog' on people when I'm upset

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Originally posted by yesdrillsergeant:
I just wanted to say that I respect my recruiter and his many years of service. I'm not trying to present him in a bad light. To the contrary, he has been very helpful with me in the beginning. He went out of his way to meet me out of his office on his own time during our first meeting, and that is something that I admired and respected. I would hate to feel as if he is annoyed with me, however. This is because the guy has almost 30 something years in the service (I think he said he joined in the early 70's.)

He joined in the 1970's? What rank is this guy? Is he retired (civilian)?

Just be respectful and the Mod won't bother you. Only two Mods you have to be careful of in that Forum.

FormerCoastGuardRecruiter and YukkonDog, they are both reasonable people and the only two that can enforce in that forum. Yukkon is Active Duty Air Force. If your that worried about it send him a Email via a Frend Request.

Really I think you can still post over there he just didn't like the direction of that specific thread and I don't blame him.

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Originally posted by yesdrillsergeant:
Hey guys..


As for 2ndD:

I'm so sorry that your brother committed suicide. It is because of your situation that suicide is taken very seriously. It hurts everybody involved. The grief that a suicidal individual experiences is nothing compared to the collective grief experienced by the remaining family members. I don't know what to say about this situation, because you know..I couldn't offer as many condolences as I'd like to via a text forum. Don't let the words you said get to you though. You couldn't have forseen what was going to happen. Hindsight is always 20/20. Please man...don't beat yourself up for what happened, because what happend has happened and you cannot change the past. I can only hope that your experience can help others who are coping with a loss; provided that you can talk with other people about this. While what happened in your life is tragic, if you have the strength and courage to talk openly about it, you can use this story to help countless others who are suffering emotional distress.

Thanks yesdrillsergeant for the kind words,I do talk openly and I do try and talk to people I see with the red flags,There is nothing dishonorble in seeing someone if you have these thougts.It's the Honorable thing to go to someone who can walk you thru this. sometimes we need someone to switch the light on when we are in the dark,just so we know where that switch is. God Bless,

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Originally posted by Col_Murph:
This guy has got to be passed to Chuck and Mary Shantag for prosecution. Does anybody have a name for this scum bag?

Thanks for the suggestion Col Murph. The wheels of justice are in motion. I just received an email from the POWnetwork, and It seems that with the info provided from this guys AKO account will get him burned.

Pow Network has our boy listed now.

++http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies1084.htm
++http://www.pownetwork.org/phonies/phonies553.htm

^^^ Those are good links. I can't believe some of those posers. They should setup that website to access the Pentagon POW DB going back from the current war to WWII, IMO.

The poser is screwed.

I think there is a mistake on his 'profile' though. On one of his profiles, he lists his sexual orientation as 'straight.' Hmmmmmmmmmm........ are you sure Mr. Ramli?