I've been through 670-1 and know when wearing miniature medals (bow tie-after retreat) you do not wear badges below the medals and no unit citations but do you wear the reg crest above the nameplate ? Can't seem to find it.

any help appreciated

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Originally posted by 21850013:
I've been through 670-1 and know when wearing miniature medals (bow tie-after retreat) you do not wear badges below the medals and no unit citations but do you wear the reg crest above the nameplate ? Can't seem to find it.

any help appreciated

Your question is kind of confusing - I can't tell where the statement ends and the question begins. What exactly are you asking?

The only dress uniforms I'm aware of that are worn with the RDI but without unit awards are the Army white and blue mess uniforms (paragraphs 22-12 & 24-12) as well as black mess (females only- paragraph 26-12), but they are also not worn with nameplates.

I'm talking about when wearing the new ASU blue uniform to a formal event, ie. bow tie. You can wear full size or miniature medals.
When you wear the miniature medals you do not wear the unit citations above the nameplate nor do you wear marksmanship badges below the medals according to AR 670-1.
But it is not clear on the wear of the crest which would normally go above the unit citation.
My question is do you wear the crest or not ?

Gotcha. Yes, the Regimental Distinctive Insignia is worn.
You don't mix full size & miniature awards. There are no mini unit awards or training ribbons, etc. and are therefore left out. The RDI is not an award and is thereby unaffected by this, nor does Para 28-23 specify instances when an RDI is not worn.

Far be it from me to stir things up, but... What about the new pin on combat patch badges? Are they worn when the uniform is in formal mode? And, if so, how many would one wear? And does this mean new metal Sapper and President's Hunnert tabs? And Medals Of America made me a real nice set of miniature unit citations, could they be coming to a set of blues (dress or mess) near you?

It looks to me like there ought to be a brand new AR 670-1 coming down the pike real schnell-like.

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Originally posted by Farmer40:
Far be it from me to stir things up, but... What about the new pin on combat patch badges? Are they worn when the uniform is in formal mode? And, if so, how many would one wear? And does this mean new metal Sapper and President's Hunnert tabs? And Medals Of America made me a real nice set of miniature unit citations, could they be coming to a set of blues (dress or mess) near you?

It looks to me like there ought to be a brand new AR 670-1 coming down the pike real schnell-like.

The new CSID (Combat Service IDentification) Badge is just like the regular SSI/FWTS in that you wear one. Which one you wear depends on your preference (if you are entitled to more than one) but so far only about six unit patches have been produced and approved by TIOH. As far as I know, the CSID is only for the new ASU Class A & B.

The metal replica "Special Forces," "Ranger," "Sapper," and "President's One Hundred" tabs are for Class B and Dress Blue uniforms. I have never seen any of them worn with Mess Dress uniforms. (My dad wears his metal "SF" tab on his Class Bs.)

Custom made mini unit citations are not approved by TIOH, so there is no standard for their wear.

I hope a new AR 670-1 comes out. Even the most up to date version still has the BDU, DCU, and White (Class A) uniform in it.

Matt
SPC, AV
US Army
OCS Selectee
Class 303-10

Point of Order Mr Chairman.

Are you guys sure you don't wear the unit citations even if you are wearing mini-medals?

I know mini-medals are authorized on Dress Blues, I just never seen it done.

Full size I've seen and ribbons I've seen, but never mini-medals.



If you want to get the citations in just wear ribbons or full-size.

Okay, the point of my previous post was to point out that AR 670-1 needs a serious rewrite in that the Army is about to get a major uniform transformation. Many of the new features of that uniform need further definition and some of them will translate into new versions of current awards.

So, there are both full size and miniatature versions of the metal SF and Ranger tabs. The FS versions are worn when ribbons or fullsize medals are worn. Miniatures are worn when miniatures are worn on either dress or mess uniforms after six. Attend a formal dining in, military ball, or any black tie event where there is an Army presence and you will see them worn with other mini qualification and special skill badges.

Since fullsize awards and decorations are never mixed with miniatures on the uniform and there is no such thing as an authorized miniature unit awards it follows that unit awards are not worn with miniatures.

I wasn't aware that metal Sapper and President's Hundred were authorized. I stand corrected.

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Originally posted by 21850013:
I'm talking about when wearing the new ASU blue uniform to a formal event, ie. bow tie. You can wear full size or miniature medals.
When you wear the miniature medals you do not wear the unit citations above the nameplate nor do you wear marksmanship badges below the medals according to AR 670-1.
But it is not clear on the wear of the crest which would normally go above the unit citation.
My question is do you wear the crest or not ?

Thanks for the replies-much appreciated. I have a Ball coming up and wanted to wear the miniatures but wanted to be squared away.

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Originally posted by Mad_Matt:
The metal replica "Special Forces," "Ranger," "Sapper," and "President's One Hundred" tabs are for Class B and Dress Blue uniforms. I have never seen any of them worn with Mess Dress uniforms.

I hope a new AR 670-1 comes out. Even the most up to date version still has the BDU, DCU, and White (Class A) uniform in it.

Matt

True to a point - but there are also even smaller dress miniature versions of the metal replica Ranger, Sapper, and Special Forces tabs, designed to be worn on uniforms with miniature medals and dress miniature badges. Interestingly, there is a full size but not a dress miniature metal replica President's Hundred Tab - the full size replica was just authorized late last year, so perhaps we'll see a dress miniature before long. And we can expect a new 670-1 before long, but it will still have all authorized uniforms in it - and the Army White Uniform will continue to be authorized until 2014. The other uniforms will be included until their respective wear-out dates.

Pardon my ignorance.. But I am sifting through 670-1 for metallic replica info, and it seems to stop at Sapper. You seem to infer that the Pres. 100 metallic replica is Authorized for wear.
I am trying to find legit information on this, because about 40 people in my unit need to find these replicas if they are authorized.
Any information you could supply would be helpful. Thank you.

The new CSID (Combat Service IDentification) Badge is just like the regular SSI/FWTS in that you wear one. Which one you wear depends on your preference (if you are entitled to more than one) but so far only about six unit patches have been produced and approved by TIOH. As far as I know, the CSID is only for the new ASU Class A & B.

The metal replica "Special Forces," "Ranger," "Sapper," and "President's One Hundred" tabs are for Class B and Dress Blue uniforms. I have never seen any of them worn with Mess Dress uniforms. (My dad wears his metal "SF" tab on his Class Bs.)

Custom made mini unit citations are not approved by TIOH, so there is no standard for their wear.

I hope a new AR 670-1 comes out. Even the most up to date version still has the BDU, DCU, and White (Class A) uniform in it.

Matt
SPC, AV
US Army
OCS Selectee
Class 303-10[/QUOTE]

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White (Class A) uniform in it

Sorry, Dress Whites were discontinued, Mess Whites are still around and authorized if you want to pay the money for them.

Hey shuman, regular or anodized medals?

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Originally posted by JerryG:
Hey shuman, regular or anodized medals?

Truthly, I've never had to wear full size or mini medals, just ribbons.

I do have anodized buttons and brass on my Class As and ASU.

Stay Bright Shooting Badge too.

If I had to get them, I would get anodized medals. I just think they look more professional when they "gleam".

PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTTTTT.

shuman, you da man! I agree about anodized vs. regular.

But FEM ... well ... he doesn't.