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Originally posted by 1IDVET:
Here's a good place for FMs:
Squad-leader.com


Here's a good place for Regulations:
PERSCOM

Check the MILPER MESSAGES for updates, the regs are changing too much for them to keep posting the revisions.

SSG Rijkse

A GI without a "ku*t cap" is as bad as a swabby without a "dixie cup".where does an airborne soldier put the glider patch now,or has that been done away with also?

good afternoon 1IDVET...

a curiosity question about tabs on bdu's. i ride the metro in the dc area daily. i see all branches and the various uniforms on the train. but the other day i noticed an army major in bdu's ..which had me puzzled. on the right shoulder there was a small (approx 3") 5- sided patch. with intersecting lines inside it meeting in the center of the pentagon (?).

it wasn't the patch so much...what caught my eye was it was on the shoulder ABOVE the American Flag! my memory may be wrong but i believe that nothing is above the American Flag when raised. is not the sleeve of your uniform equal to the flag pole. wasn’t there was the flap to reverse the flag so it would "stream" when worn on the sleeve.

it may be according to army regulations...but it JUST doesn't seem right that any unit or service patch be worn on the sleeve above the flag. IS IT?

thanks

gmcm

i believe that pentagon patch you were looking at, sounds like the patch that 5th corps wears. i see it all over the place in germany

Master Chief Mcweeney,

The right sleeve shoulder patch is known as the "Shoulder Sleeve Insignia, Former Wartime Service". More commonly called a "Combat Patch".

Prior to the wear of the National Ensign on the BDU, it was the only thing allowed on the right sleeve.

When the Flag was placed on the BDU uniform, it was decided to save the individual soldier time, money, and effort by placing the Flag below the SSI-FWS.

I agree it looks wrong, but orders are orders.

With the adoption of the new Army Combat Uniform (ACU), this has been solved by changing the placement of the Flag above the SSI-FWS.

I've been told that the BDU will be allowed a wear-out date of FY-2008, which means you'll still be seeing them for awhile.

Hope this helps.

In 670-1 It states that Prior service veterans are allowed to wear badges on there bdu's but I need more clarification. Im an ex- AF Civil Engineer and want to know if I am autorized to wear my CE badge on my bdu's. 670-1, 29-13 is the location but I can't really understand it.

I have seen a Person in the same situation as me wearing his ce badge along with an aviation badge just want to know if I'm autorized. Its on my 214 and all that and were it not for me holding an afsc that translated to an MOS which allows me to wear a chemical branch crest.

So am I authorized wear of my skill badge on my BDU'S?

Yes.

Can you wear more than one combat badge at the same time, i read 670-1 and it says you can wear up to so many badges of different catagories. so could you wear a CIB and CMB or a CIB and CAB together

I've been hearing a rumor that the beret could be dropped soon. Any truth to that? And if not can you lie and make me feel better?

It is my understanding that the primary headgear for the ACU is the soft cap. If that is the case, that will be why the beret is getting dropped soon.

i am keeping my fingers crossed

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Originally posted by danfuz:
Can you wear more than one combat badge at the same time, i read 670-1 and it says you can wear up to so many badges of different catagories. so could you wear a CIB and CMB or a CIB and CAB together

An infantryman will never wear a CAB. The CAB is a combat support/combat service support specialty award. Only Medics will recieve the CMB and only Infantry will recieve the CIB, so you probably won't see any dual wear of theses items unless someone reclasses and is awarded one of the other badges.

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Originally posted by dseddie:
It is my understanding that the primary headgear for the ACU is the soft cap. If that is the case, that will be why the beret is getting dropped soon.

Dear God, please let that be true!

danfuz, I emailed the Army G-1 SGM, SGM Easley, and asked that exact question. The CIB and CAB are both Class one awards so therefore cannot be worn at the same time. 63BDrillSergeant, Infantrymen will wear the CAB because the memo for the CAB/CIB/EMB has the example of an 11B assigned at Corps level position can earn the CAB because he is not authorized the CIB. The CIB is for when you are assigned at BDE level and lower. Let me rephraze that, an Infantryman assigned at Corps level is authorized to wear a CAB if they meet the other criteria but whether or they wear it is another story. All comabt level badges have presidence over non-combat badges. So an Infantryman assigned to a Corps level position who has earned the EIB and then went to Iraq and earned the CAB and decides to do the paperwork for CAB and it gets approved, can not wear the EIB anymore, they now wear the CAB...know what I mean? Does that make sense?

I've got a question.
I was an infantryman, but had to move to our commo platoon and be a 31C. I'm in the same infantry company, have been awarded the CIB.

Here's the question:
Can I wear my Infantry cord and blue discs on my class A uniform? I've seen some guys over the years keep their cords when changing MOS's. I've read the regulation, but it's not as clear as I'd like it. It looks like I'm authorized to wear it, but not sure. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

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Originally posted by dseddie:
It is my understanding that the primary headgear for the ACU is the soft cap. If that is the case, that will be why the beret is getting dropped soon.

The primary head gear for the ACU when worn in garrison is the beret. The primary head gear in the field is the soft cap/Kevlar.

The reason the soft cap is mentioned on the ACU is because it, too, has changed, along with the rest of the new uniform. A map pocket under the lid, and cat eyes on the back, etc, etc, etc.

HARDRIGHT425, it's quite clear on who and when the Infantry cord is worn:

AR 670-1, SECTION 28-30
(4) By whom worn.
(a) Officers and enlisted personnel of the infantry, holding an infantry PMOS or specialty, who have been awarded the Combat Infantryman badge, the Expert Infantry badge, or who have successfully completed the basic unit phase of an Army training program or equivalent.
(b) Enlisted personnel who have completed one station unit training (OSUT) resulting in the award of an infantry PMOS.
(c) Infantry officers who have graduated from the resident infantry officer basic or advanced course.
(d) Infantry officers who have graduated from the Infantry Officer Candidate Course (during mobilization).
(e) Infantry officers and enlisted personnel in the Reserve components who hold an infantry PMOS or specialty.
(5) When worn. Infantry personnel (as described above) may wear the infantry cord as follows.
(a) During the period of assignment to an infantry regiment, brigade, separate infantry battalion, infantry company (including the headquarters and headquarters company of an infantry division), infantry platoon, or infantry TDA unit.
In addition, infantrymen assigned to infantry sections or squads within units other than infantry units may wear the cord when authorized by battalion or higher-level commanders.
(b) During the period assigned for duty as an Army recruiter or advisor, ROTC instructor, or member of the staff and faculty of the U.S. Military Academy, as long as personnel retain their infantry PMOS.
(c) During the period of assignment at brigade- or lower-level BT or AIT units, or in OSUT infantry units, as long as personnel retain their infantry PMOS.
(d) Infantry OSUT and IOBC graduates may wear the cord en route to their initial follow-on infantry assignment.
(e) Soldiers en route from an assignment where wear of the shoulder cord was authorized are permitted to wear the shoulder cord if they are pending reassignment to another organization authorized wear of the cord, or when assigned
to a separation point for discharge purposes.

Sorry, Jedi, but I did say that I WAS an infantryman, but I am NOW back in the commo section.
The regulations are clear...to a point.
I do not hold the primary MOS of 11B. I was awarded the CIB and have completed the necessary training, but it looks like the Infantry cord and discs are meant to distinguish those who ARE in the infantry, not those who WERE in the infantry, as would be my case.
I'm still in an infantry company (LRSC, not an HHC), but in the communications platoon.
It looks like I can wear the blue stuff, but I am seeking clarification. If you can please help, I'd appreciate it. You did well with the regulation, but I've already read that and came up with the same conclusion.
However, my platoon Sergeant and my platoon leader do not agree with me. They don't think I should be allowed to wear the cord or discs.

Basically it says you have to be in an Infantry "slot" and maintain a primary MOS of Infantry 11B or 11Z.

Jedi, if that is the case, then why not simply state that in the regulation?