After reading the HUGE Crew Chief thread, this seems much more inline with what I would like to do. I now understand that Crew Chiefs have their own MOS 6172, 6173, 6174, 6176.
What is the best way to go about having as much of a guarantee as possible when talking with the recruiter? I'll need to take the ASVAB again but should not be a problem I scored a 94 overall last time. I love to swim and am in good shape. Does anyone know what the outlook is right now for openings in the Crew Chief area? Any and all insight/advice is very welcomed!
Thanks in advance!
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The key is having the particular MOS written in your contract when you enlist. What is important is that you talk with your local recruiter, then if your ASVAB scores are high enough he should be able to help you get into the MOS that you want.
just as mike said- get the specific job written into your contract.
im biased, i think phrogs is where its at. theres a good mix of everything on that platform. if there werent any phrogs and i had to choose another helo- i think id choose hueys
Do they still have all those sheet metal screws to remove for an engine change?
Thanks for the reply's! RedRT, from the other thread I noticed you fly the 46's; sounds like you love'em.
About the contract (and I will talk to a recruiter but just want to ask nonrecruiters first), how specific can you get? I keep hearing the "needs of the Corps?" Would I get 61XX in it, or the Crew Cheif 617X, or very specific?
RedR T? do you happen to know what the availabilty of jobs looks like for those wanting to go into the Crew Chief field? Wide open, hard to get?
Thanks in advance all!
From my own personal experience (I enlisted back in 1997) I opted for the aircrew bonus at the time of $3k and I was assigned 6172, CH-46 crew chief but not nescessarily assured of being assigned to the Phrog.
When you get to aircrew candidate school it all depends upon the needs of the fleet at the time you graduate and you could go anywhere from C-130's to -53's, or Skids.
Also, depending upon if your ASVAB scores are high enough and when the next board may be, you might be able to wait and audition for the next Nav board which is what I thought I was initially signing up for - USMC C-130 Nav's are the only enlisted Nav's in the US military and a pretty rare gig.
The only thing I was guaranteed was the op to go to Pensacola and attend aircrew school and unless they have changed things since then, that's all the more specific you can get from the recruiter's office.
Just remember to brush up on your swimming, I had no idea as to the amount I would have to swim until I was already in boot camp although I was a capable and strong swimmer I was not prepared for having to swim a mile as I simply had never had an op or need to do so.
I ran my best three mile PFT at the same time in 19 minutes but I couldn't get over the mental part of swimming for 45 minutes without stopping and so I went to avionics! Knowing what I know now ten years later, I'm confident I could do it but that's part of the joys of being young, you just don't know all that there is to know!
I'm not sure that I would really qualify to "tell" anyone here anything but I will relate the way it went for my son who is a brand new “boot” CH-46 crew chief, awaiting orders to his first squadron.
The first thing that needs to be determined is “what” you qualify for. This will be determined by a combination of your education prior to enlistment and your ASVAB scores.
When my son enlisted he was told there were 2 aviation "slots" available from this area.
Looking over his form 1130-003, Enlistment Incentive Programs Statement of Understanding, the “Program Code” is AG. The Program Description is Air Crew / Flight Mechanic / Navigator. The MOS options are 6100 / 6200 / 7300. If after processing through MEPS, you still qualify for your agreed upon program, it’s off to MCRD you go. After basic training, and if you still qualify, you go to MCT. Upon completion of MCT if you still have no changes to your MOS, then you will most likely be sent to NAS Pensacola and assigned to MATSG to await assignment to a school. If you have qualified for air crew, your first school will be NACCS. Upon successful completion of NACCS, you will find out which platforms have slots open and be assigned accordingly. If you get a air crew slot, you will next go to SERE school. Upon successful completion of SERE, you move through the A and C schools for your bird.
Anywhere along the line if you either fail a qualification or otherwise disqualify yourself, you will be assigned per the (famous) “needs of the Corps“. In most likelihood, if you do not stay in the air crew program, you will most likely go to an aviation maintenance MOS.
That’s the way it went for one young Marine. However the best thing you can count on is that “nothing in the US Marines is ever a 100% guarantee”. A whole lot depends on YOU. IMHO just becoming a Marine is an accomplishment not everyone can do, but any one who makes it can be proud of.
Best of luck.
thats one thing i have zero experiance in- contracts. "the needs of the marine corps" put me in my job (6172). i shipped to boot from meps as an open contract (no job)- which in hindsight probably the dumbest thing ive ever done- i was extremely fortunate to end up where i did.
i think the GT portion of the asvab needs to be 110 or greater to qualify for aircrew.
now that i think about it, im not sure if you can get a specific platform in your contract (that last digit of your mos)- but im sure with relative certainty as close as you can get is aircrew enlisted helo, or something to that effect- wifes home, gotta run
I just went through MEPS, got my contract, and am shipping March 5th. The MOS codes on my contract only indicate (from my understaning)what fields ie. rotor 6100, fixed wing 6200, 6000 series? you get the contract for. Then the rest is up to you and the "needs of the Corps."
not true- i know for a fact some of my school mates got aircrew in their contract.
a 6100 MOS is basically anything... from airframes, avionics, mechanics, support equipment....
Here is what my contract has this listed:
(4) Program Code: AF
(4a)Program Description: Aviation Mechanic
(4b) Military Occupational Field(s) in Option:
6100-Aircraft Maintenance (Rotary Wing)
6200-Aircraft Maintenance (Fixed Wing)
My contract seems pretty general. It dosn't specify anything more specific. I think I saw a program code for Aircrew (I think) but havn't been able to find it in the enlisted MOS catalog. I have the current MOS pdf if anyone wants it. I'll post it. It's about 2mb, so you better have a better good connection, or I can email it to anyone who wants it.
Well, I found the nifty "FIND" button in Adobe Acrobat and searched for Crew Chief.
How is it determined into what specific jobs ie. Crew Chief you would get in the Occupational Field? I assume that you just need to have the chance to complete steps 1-11?
The MOS manual had requirements for the CH-46 Crew Chief as follows:
NOTE-This is a straight copy and paste from the manual.
31. MOS 6172, Helicopter Crew Chief, CH-46 (GySgt to Pvt) PMOS
a. Summary. Helicopter crew chiefs, CH-46, are flight crewmembers that
perform duties incident to the maintenance and operation of Marine CH-46
(1) Must possess an MM score of 105 or higher.
(2) Must have normal color vision.
(3) Volunteer for duties involving flight as an aircraft crewmember.
(4) Must be a 2d class swimmer or higher.
(5) Must be eligible for a secret security clearance.
(6) Meet the requirements of OPNAVINST 3710.7 and the USN Manual of the
Medical Department with normal depth perception.
(7) Complete the Naval Aviation Enlisted Aircrew Training School at NATTC,
NAS Pensacola, FL.
(8) Complete Survival Evasion Resistance and Escape (SERE) School.
(9) Must complete the Plane Captain (PC) Ground syllabus for type aircraft.
(10) Complete the appropriate formal "A" and "C" school at NAMTRA MAR Unit,
MCAS New River, NC.
(11) Complete the appropriate formal "C" school at HMM (T)-164 FRS (Flight
Training) MCAS Camp Pendleton, CA.
MOS MANUAL 3135
c. Duties. For a complete listing of duties and tasks, refer to MCO P3500.14
and MCO P3500.50, Aviation Training and Readiness (T&R) Manual, and MCO P4790.20,
Maintenance Training Management and Evaluation program (MATMEP) for MOSs 6112/72.
d. Related DOT Classification/DOT Code. Flight Engineer 621.261-018.
e. Related Military Skill. Helicopter Mechanic, 6112.
id have to go to admin and dig up my contract- but it said something very close to 6100 helicopter aircrew mechanic
that aircrew part is crucial... that program code makes me think youre gonna be an airframer (body work/hydraulics)- in any of the fields. you could end up working on anything.
if you wanna be a phrog crew chief, tell your recruiter you want to be a 6172 in the end. he'll give you some crap about how you cant get specific... but your stuffs way too general man... no tellin what youre gonna end up working on. if he cant get you crew chief, at LEAST get into a helo unit- you can fly as an aerial observer then... eventually.
I am now 24 years old; have worked many different jobs from computer tech telling the "Rocket Scientists" at Los Alamos National Labs how to run their supercomputer, to being a bouncer at a few bars and clubs, to being a landscaper and plumber, mechanic, bouncer, and computer tech again. In my spare time, I like turning wrenches and figuring out how things work.
I want to thank everyone and especiallty RedRT and proudusmcpop for their threads and inputs. It has been a huge help and you guys have provided the type of clarification that a recruiter can never provide (unless he is in the specific MOS that you want.)
This is definitely going to get my recruiter and the head Gunny's knickers in a knot if I ask them to see if an AirCrew slot is still availible. I would definitely want the Aircrew/ Crewchief program over just being a tech. My only "problem" is that I am already in the DEP (ot really a problem when it comes down to it) for the AF program, and I was really "accommodated" for my slot. wink wink
In my case, to qualify to get through MEPS, I lost a bunch of wieght really fast. My height and weight limit is 215 LBS. I went from 238, to 218 in 4 days. The result of the sudden weight loss and not drinking water, I had to get blood work done because I couldn't take a piss (for the drug test, not stage fright) since I had little to no H2O in my body. After pounding water, a mountain dew, gatorade, and more water, my piss had too much protein. The head Doc had me go to the Navy hospital to get some blood work done to make sure my kidneys were O.K. The time it took for me to do the test and come back (a week later), my slot was already taken and I was being persuaded to sign open contract.
At the MEPS counselor office, I dug my heels in and said if I don't at least get my 2nd choice, I am walking out the door. I litterally was opening the door when one of the recruiters who was allowed in the area talked me into comming back and just hanging out for awhile. I waited for what seemed forever, and finnally after a bunch of calls got me my 2nd choice.
If any of you guys are out of highschool already, please take my advice, and don't let things get too rushed for you to join up. I have nothing against my recruiters or the RSS office at all. It is just from the day I took the ASVAB, to spending ALOT of time at MEPS, to going to the hospital, then back to MEPS.....the timeline started to get really compressed and I was still working at a job. This definitely started to get under my skin in that I wanted to have more time to prepare for boot and the Corps., rather than pretty much just start working out 6 days a week IE. running, lifting, swimming, lifting, rucking, running, lifting, running, etc. just to make weight and be able to do slightly better than the minnimum required. My ship date as of now is March 5th, but we'll see with if the crewchief MOS changes it. What sux is that I can't go later in that the summertime is usually reserved for kids getting out of highschool.
I am now only 3 pounds over the weight limit, (but with the right eating habits, workouts and goals now working for me, and doing it the right,natural way)everything is starting to fall into place. The only part I can say is DO NOT let the recruiters,counselors,etc. make you feel guilty or that you are wasting thier time. It is thier job to get you IN...and for them...that is what they HAVE to do.
RedRT and proudusmcpop; On an earlier post, you said the program your boy was getting was AG, and the MOS was 6172 for the CH-46. Tommorrow, I am going to hobble into the RSS (I sprained my ankle on a 5 mile ruck yesterday) and seeing if I can get the AG option to fit my ship date. Once again...
Give a debrief on how it flies with your recruiter.
Us Ole Fart Crew Chiefs, are interested on how it goes.
if it all works out for you- be in tip top shape when you get to Pensacola, the navy doesnt mess around when it comes to medical screening. im not talkin about physical shape- boot will do that for you.. im talking take care of your insides. i was almost disqualified for being a puss hair over on the iron in my blood. the limit was something like 35, and i was at like 35.2 -
that AG code rings a bell-- aerial gunner/observer. for some reason i think that was in my contract too. maybe it was with the helo aircrew i mentioned, i duno.
just for kicks- i got crewchief open contract. but i wouldnt suggest counting on that, lmao.
Good luck Kit.
Tell your Dad to "get ready".
I checked in with the Gunny to see if I can get the AG program over the AF. The only computer that has access to the program database was pretty tied up. He said if it's open, it is mine. Hopefully they can work some magic. It is weird how the slots get filled and then open back up. Some people drop out of the DEP, other get disqualed, etc. There is good possibility my ship date might hve to be changed though.
I compltely passed the the requirements for ASVAB scores and physical quals (so far). I surf and swim tons, so I'm used to being in the water for long periods of time.
I'll keep you guys posted on the progress.
Sorry I have lagged getting back to you guys. My RSS is trying to find the AG slot, but nothing looks open. The only "open" slots are for the highschool grads times in the summer.
Any ideas on what I should do, or should I go with my AF contract and see what can happen once boot is over?
Are you locked into a time slot to ship out for boot camp?
If not, I would hold out till a slot opened up.
It is your life, your career.
Shoot for what you want, if qualified.
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