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Air Force Retired |
How will the Taxpayer be expected to keep paying for the illegal immingrints in this country. they recieve free food stamps, housing medical care and even welfare checks but when Ice do their jobs and arrest illegals some of the public are outraged. We elect lawmakers to represent us but none seem to want to take a stand. The presidential election is close at hand and the only remark i have heard was from the first debate with a reference by John McCain who also spoke of the boarder patrols at the same time. we do not as taxpayers deprive any legal citized from substance or help when needed and volunteer when they are in need. But for those considerations they should be lagal or enrolled in a legal program for citizenship.
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Now OldArmyLOVE -------------------  Founding Member ------------------- |
I this this song was written for you: Beautiful Dreamer Stephen C. Foster Beautiful dreamer, Wake unto me Starlight and dewdrops Are awaiting thee Sounds of the rude world Heard in the day Led by the moonlight Have all passed away Beautiful dreamer, Queen of my song List' while I woo thee With soft melody Gone are the cares of Life's busy throng Beautiful dreamer Awake unto me Beautiful dreamer, Awake unto me ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Carry this number with you! Be ready to give it to any vet you meet who may need someone to talk to. You could be a life saver.  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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Air Force Retired |
The forum is for Debate defination follows for oldarmywopa Debate (American English) or debating (British English) is a formal method of interactive and position representational argument. Debate is a broader form of argument than logical argument, since it includes persuasion which appeals to the emotional responses of an audience, and rules enabling people to discuss and decide on differences, within a framework defining how they will interact. |
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Now OldArmyLOVE ------------------- Founding Member ------------------- |
Neal, I didn't mean the post as an insult to you in anyway. We are all dreamers especially when it comes to politics – at least I am.  If I understood what you said I might want to debate you on the subject.  BTW, do you live the Hyannis/Cape Cod area? A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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Air Force Retired |
according to the way I have read the [b]TOS[/b
just want to stay within the rules and i live in Western Ma (Westfield) This message has been edited. Last edited by: ss_287, |
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Now OldArmyLOVE ------------------- Founding Member ------------------- |
I forgot to check which forum I was on. I was thinking in the general discussion/point-counter-point mode. You are right SMS. The reason for the question about where you live was because I have retired AF family members living on the cape. Take care and blessing to you and your loved ones, Bruce A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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suspended pending review,Nemesis |
My own impression of your post is that you were posting that poem, as BOTH sarcasm AND agreement. And just to toss my two cents in, it seems to be that any nation has the basic right to control who comes into the country. This seems almost an elementary conclusion. Whether us or the poorest Third World Nation on earth. Personally I have nothing against the illegals, I wish them well, in their own countries. However, I chiefly blame both the employers and the government for the situation. During the Reagan years we had the same problem and were promised stiff laws against employers. It was recognised then, that illegals can only survive here if they can find jobs. Well, we do have stiff laws against employers, only their not being enforced. Six months in jail and mandatory fines. How many CEO's have gone to jail? Enforce those laws and the while problem will disappear in months. Dave |
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Now OldArmyLOVE ------------------- Founding Member ------------------- |
That was my intention. Spot on! A listening ear, a caring heart, an open mind and an extend hand may be all I can offer, but they are yours without charge or judgment. |
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This forum already has a nice quantity of BS. The mods should clean it up but they will not.
But anyway........ Some cry 'they do the jobs Americans are unwilling to do'. Look around. They are doing things like, house framer, roofer, plumber, electrician, heavy equipment operator, air conditioning serviceman. It goes on and on. They are taking jobs that once let citizens make a living for themselves and their families. It is all about no benefits, no liability, and no worker rights greed. |
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this one has started on the wrong foot. it is fuill of sentiment, and hurt feelings, but no substance. do SOME illegals get food stamps? yes. only if they are family to a legal resident, and that resident is not able to care for them finnancially while they do their paperwork. (no papers, no stamps) in my time in INS, i have never heard of illegals getting housing. i have heard of illegals POSING as legals to get housing, but now we are talking about felony ID theaft, and other charges stemming from that theaft. illegal immigrants do not generally file for ANY benefits. they stay quiet and (besides being here illegally) obey the laws as carefully as possible so they do not get caught and returned to their countries of origin. ICE has one hell of a hard Job. whatever they do, will be viewed as Gestapo-like. the very purpose of ICE is to enforce immigration and customs/ that means they deal with Smugglers and sneek thieves. they HAVE to stage raids if they are going to catch any numbers. we call them 'Redadas" (dropping the nets) back in the 80's, if they could say "american citizen" without an accent they would be left alone. nowadays, even presenting papers, tey are viewed as a problem due to a thriving market of illegal documents. look.. despite what some would say about me in here, i am AGAIMST illegal immigration, but i know that the only way to deal with the problem is by dealing with the SOURCE... the employers. i am not talking fines here. fines are paid and the savings are passed onto you and me. i am talking jail time for tax evasion. profiteering. and any other laws they are breaking like the chicken plant who had the same social security numbe 233 times and "they never knew". as for dialing 1 for english, i have heard of phone numbers answered in spanish and options given for English, but i have never heard them MYSELF (besides at consulates and Embassies or Mexican restaurants where it is considered "quaint") i would go so far as seperate the Language issue from the illegal issue. tho they are mutually inclussive, one acts independent from the other. there is more to the "press X for AEnglish" than illegal immigration.. i believe it is a whole difrent horse. get back to me on that one Scott |
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suspended pending review,Nemesis |
There is no doubt that illegals are being blamed for everything including the kitchen sink. Did I stub my big toe? Must be the fault of an illegal. Nevertheless, taking away all the hype, taking away all the racism, the fact remains that they simply don't belong here. They are the perfect employee. Can't complain about conditions, can't complain about overtime, or even if they get, or don't get their wages. And when they get sick, it's off to the emergency room. And it's off to public education, both of these things on our dime. Unlike some, I don't complain about the above. It's the humane thing to do. After all, in a certain sense, they are here by invitation. In other words, employers reap all the benefits of their presence, while we bare all the costs. Well, so much for being humane - That's nice - But let's just end this NEED to be humane. Toss a few CEO's in jail, not their underlings, (rare as that event is) and watch how fast the problem ends. Dave |
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Previous Posts as Jade_Gate |
Now that I fully support. I would make two observations. By and large, illegals work under one of two sets of circumstances ... 1) The employer wittingly hires them without documentation (under the table) 2) The employer hires them with documentation (forged or identity theft) above the table The first should be a slam dunk on the employer since he/she is clearly violating numerous laws. The second, and most commonly caught, is more problematic. While the employer may suspect illegality, verification of the documentation takes time and is often not conclusive. The owner also opens him or herself up to charges of profiling. Until such time as we have a relatively foolproof right-to-work verification system, it is difficult to legally separate the complicit employers from the unwitting employers. The former are, themselves criminals while the latter are themselves victims. |
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suspended pending review,Nemesis |
All well and good Ms. Qwerty, but in a recent case posted as a thread on In the News, The FBI spent six months investigating a case. Aside from deporting the illegals they arrested some formen on the job. What about the owners? Nothing. I suspect if the FBI wanted to go after the owners they could have easily done so - Instead we got a lot of publicity, and some low level Americans were arrested. I really don't think this is rocket science. After all, I would suggest that a dozen Big Shot CEO's getting six months in jail, and the message will get around. Dave |
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Illegas are the real poison and both parties have only encourged the invasion.What we need is an Independant party that stands up for true American values not ones controlled by special interest bussiness or anything else. I pray we can still save this country...
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They are encouraged by politicians cause they are just waiting for the day they can vote. Thanks to Acorn they already do. |
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