Growing up in Californa and being an Idependent I see both parties folies and blind eyes on the problem. Republicans who are controlled by bussiness that dont want to pay a fair wage dont want to do anything. Democrats want the Hispanic vote and would leave the border wide open allong with going ahead and making them all citizens. Fact is they all have broke the law right? An illegal can go to our emergency rooms tally up huge bills and never pay them? But us citizens who do not have insurance get nothing allong with ruined credit if we need medical attention? How is this fair? An illegal in California can be in a quote safe zone, break our laws without any recourse? They can buy fake social security numbers for $50 a pop and our government does nothing? I personaly feel it is illegal aliens that is destroying this country and both parties ignorance is going to make it a reality. California has gotten so bad that even though it is my Native state I am leaving and I WILL never come back. It seems that this insane state not only ignores the problem but has laws and legislation in tact that protects them. Economicaly speeking things are extremely bad right now and the real citizens of this country will take any job that they can get. So how is it fair that illegals get to come here break our laws ruin our education/healthcare system, steal jobs and refuse to learn our language and I am supposed to be okay with it? Forget California! It breaks my heart but my wife and I will never come back and certainly will not raise our childeren in a place like this. Democrat or Republican you have both not only done nothing to solve the problem you have encourged it. My wife is not white so you can try to call me racist and ill laugh in your face. It has to do with laws and what is right for our countryand trying to save whats left of it. So bring it on and tell me what you think?

I think you're right on many points. But it's not PC to speak of such things.

How many people do we have out of work? How many illegals are working? Does it seem obvious that if you would relieve the illegals of their jobs that it would open up those jobs to citizens who also need to take care of their family?


My husband is now in the Commercial Construction field where he heads up major building projects. Several times the INS showed up and the workers scatter, leaving the construction at a standstill. It's not his fault that the job gets shut down until they return but he gets blamed for any delays including those caused by illegals running from immigration. His job was not the only one affected. In Miami, all major construction came to a screeching halt!

Think of all the men (and women) that could have good paying jobs and wouldn't have to shut down the construction of major projects just because immigration drives down the street!

Speaking of emergency room care. My husband and others witnessed people jumping from the third floor in order to run! I would imagine they ended up in one of those hospital ER rooms. And you and I paid for it.

My own personal work place got shut down for the same reason.

I can't stand it when people say it's because they couldn't find anyone else to fill the jobs!!!!! When I knew hundreds of people (citizens) who were trying to get on. It was the best paying place in a 50 mile radius.


I once heard an old joke. There was a meeting to figure out how to deal with the open boarders, the flooding in New Orleans and the 'gators in Florida. Maxine's answer was the best. Dig a moat along the Mexican boarder filling it with water, send the dirt to shore up New Orleans and take all the wayward 'gators and put them in the moat. Problems solved.


Another off the point but I would like to ask a question. Do you think it's fair that a legal worker can come here and work for 7 years without paying taxes?

not to deny that illegals are a problem, and a big one, but they are not THE problem. they are the result of the problem.

by not enforcing the law our government has allowed the business owners to operate with impunity. now, when the dominoes are down, and employment is down, thse very business owners point at illegals and say "see? there is the problem"

you mention that work places shut down when INS shows up, but who is REALLY to blame? the people doing the hireing, and the people doing the paying. youare gonna tell me they didn't know they were hiring illegals?

as for your comment:

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Speaking of emergency room care. My husband and others witnessed people jumping from the third floor in order to run! I would imagine they ended up in one of those hospital ER rooms. And you and I paid for it.

"i imagine" is not evidence, and is prejudicial to any case to bring down the problem/

"i know" or "i saw", or "this happened" work just fine.

in other words, don't compound the problem with fabrications and imaginations...

lets be real there is no way to fix this problem without a path to citizenship. There is no way to deport them all.

Give them a temp citizen status and require them to have insurance (medical, car, and renters / home owners). Give them 1 yr to learn english. Tax them at higher rate until they have paid a fine. Do not allow them government benefits for the 10 years.

there is no way anyone can learn a language (as an adult0 in one year. landed Immigrants (legal) pay upwards of 36% in taxes to the IRS. this is an incentive to get them to become citizens., so they can pay their 15.9-19% range.

no government benefits does not work, since they'd be bereft of police, and ES, as well as education, and other basic needs like use of roads.
now, i am sure you are suggesting no Medicare/medicaid, and no welfare, food stamps, or social assistance.
the problem is that 95% of illegals never even approach the offices. the problem is that is even ONE illegal has used the services available to Americans, the scream of "all of them" arises.
do illegals use Fake ID's? Welfare? Hospitals?
yes
do all of them, or even MOST of them?
no

there is a culture of discrimination that takes the very few, and paints the most with the same brush.
until we can separate the truth from the fiction, we'll never be able to truly deal with the problem.
but hell.. at this point we are only inflating numbers for effect.

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Originally posted by naliniandchris:
lets be real there is no way to fix this problem without a path to citizenship. There is no way to deport them all.

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Sorry, you don't reward lawbreakers with a trip to the head of the line, don't you think that will just make the problem worse for the next batch, well guess what, it did , when the last round of amnesty was given out, it just sent a message of "If you keep pestering us, we will just give up and let you go to the head of the line" How do you think that makes all the folks that are doing it the right way feel? Maybe like they should just give up and get on the fast illegal track instead, then everyone does it, Sorry, just think of the jobs that would be created if we hired enough folks to round up and deport all these *******s, Major drop in unemployment, plus you open up the jobs that they where doing to real Americans, plus start shipping these sorry ass illegals back when you stop em for a traffic stop or get cough driving drunk after they have killed a family of 12, Get em outta here. Its already been proven they suck up more money than they put in with whatever S/S card they might be hiding behind.

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Originally posted by 7450875:

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Originally posted by naliniandchris:
lets be real there is no way to fix this problem without a path to citizenship. There is no way to deport them all.

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Sorry, you don't reward lawbreakers with a trip to the head of the line, don't you think that will just make the problem worse for the next batch, well guess what, it did , when the last round of amnesty was given out, it just sent a message of "If you keep pestering us, we will just give up and let you go to the head of the line" How do you think that makes all the folks that are doing it the right way feel? Maybe like they should just give up and get on the fast illegal track instead, then everyone does it, Sorry, just think of the jobs that would be created if we hired enough folks to round up and deport all these *******s, Major drop in unemployment, plus you open up the jobs that they where doing to real Americans, plus start shipping these sorry ass illegals back when you stop em for a traffic stop or get cough driving drunk after they have killed a family of 12, Get em outta here. Its already been proven they suck up more money than they put in with whatever S/S card they might be hiding behind.

please... research the law they break, and what it is classified as... get back to me on that, and we'll see where thius specific line of thinking goes...
you might be surprised to see how "criminal" they really are.

as fdor the rest of you worn out argumet, the drunk driver that killed 12 people mayhave neen ONE illegal alien. not all of them.
'people that paint the whole society by the crimes of the individuals are ignoring certain conditions

if i jusged all white people on the crimes of Joh Wayne Gacey, or ted Bundy... what would you say?
if i judged all blacks on the actions of the DC sniper...?
or all asians on the actions of the West Virginia shooter.

not fair, i agree.