My points:

1: The word Islam means "submission to God's will" and "Peace" it's best translated as "The Submission to God's Will is true Peace"

2: The Qur'an is full of mandates that regulate the behaviors of men an women on the simple truths of maintaining the mizan "balance" by doing good works, being truthful, and just.

3: The Qur'an only ever allows fighting as a means to maintain justice and/or in defense with the superseding rules that peace is the ultimate alternative that one should always strive for.

4: Islam is the only major world religion that accepts other religions principle beliefs, core texts, and prophets as true.

5: Islam is one of the only major world religion that accepts that non-Muslims can be blessed and enter paradise.

6: Islam is the second largest religion in the world and since the beginning it's primary method of growth was through word of mouth, The Qur'an is the only major religious text that explicitly tells it's followers to never try to compel others to believe as they do.

7: The Qur'an is the only major religious text in which the vast majority deals primarily with devotion to God by treating people kindly, helping the orphans, poor, being honest, and being a good example.

8: The Qur'an is the only major religious text that explicitly considers all mankind regardless of race, sex, etc. as equals in the site of God.

more later

RATS!!! You won that one can we go for two out of three!!

Alright I'll stop it............. Bruce

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Originally posted by tawodi:
RATS!!! You won that one can we go for two out of three!!

Alright I'll stop it............. Bruce

8 nice points Sgt_Salaam.

Is that also how Islam is practiced? Anywhere?

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
8 nice points Sgt_Salaam.

Is that also how Islam is practiced? Anywhere?

In loads of places, though not all. Visit Brunei sometime, or Thailand. Senegal or Trinidad would be good spots, as well. And if you're not looking to travel that far, I'm sure there's a great mosque near you that would love to have you over for a hearty meal and chat.

RECONDO;

How it is practiced doesn't count. You could say the same about Christianity.

Cultural influences and societal structures as well as maniacs, pervert religions of every stripe and concept.

Robert and I have and are working our butts off to solve some of this.
http://peopleofabraham.blogspot.com

Be well friend..............Tawodi

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
8 nice points Sgt_Salaam.

Is that also how Islam is practiced? Anywhere?

Not that suds and tawodi haven't already said it, but if a religious definition was solely based on the actual practice of said adherents instead of what the religion, religious scholars, text, and history of said religion clearly states, than all religions would be in a world of hurt.

What a religion is and what people do can often be two different things.

Ok to all.

Yet Islam and Christianity have killed more people over time than any other single thing.

The religious dogma maybe gentle and peaceful but it's pratice and propagation is most certainly not.

This we can argue till dooms day. I will say no more.

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
Ok to all.

Yet Islam and Christianity have killed more people over time than any other single thing.

The religious dogma maybe gentle and peaceful but it's pratice and propagation is most certainly not.

This we can argue till dooms day. I will say no more.

No, it's the lust for worldly power that is deadly- it just gets cloaked in religion to pull in the cannon fodder. You'd not have much success trying to send people off to die so that the head of state could get more goodies, so sprinkle on a few scriptural passages, promise celestial goodies and/or threaten dire present and other-worldly consequences, and hey presto! Instant "Crusade"/"Jihad". Religious repression sold separately.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
Ok to all.

Yet Islam and Christianity have killed more people over time than any other single thing.

The religious dogma maybe gentle and peaceful but it's pratice and propagation is most certainly not.

This we can argue till dooms day. I will say no more.

No, it's the lust for worldly power that is deadly- it just gets cloaked in religion to pull in the cannon fodder. You'd not have much success trying to send people off to die so that the head of state could get more goodies, so sprinkle on a few scriptural passages, promise celestial goodies and/or threaten dire present and other-worldly consequences, and hey presto! Instant "Crusade"/"Jihad". Religious repression sold separately.

Hey! Are you bashing President Bush and Vice President Cheney?

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Yet Islam and Christianity have killed more people over time than any other single thing.

Where is Islam and Christianity? Where do they live? What do they look like?

Only physical beings have the capacity to act and/or kill. So it's not the religions to blame, but the people whom claim to profess those religions, unless of course that religion specifically says to kill people.

Salaam, may I get your opinion, and all of you really..

I am not attacking your religion, just curious, like I am about my friends view as a agnostic. I dont believe that way, but I listen to his side.

So, why then seeing as the Qur'an the largest book on peace and helping, why then is it also the most twisted to use for violence??

Seems it would be the last to get abused, again, just curious, as I dont understand that..

I am not what any would call very religeous, but I do like to know things about it..

Thanks.

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Originally posted by sweetsuds:

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
8 nice points Sgt_Salaam.

Is that also how Islam is practiced? Anywhere?

In loads of places, though not all. Visit Brunei sometime, or Thailand. Senegal or Trinidad would be good spots, as well. And if you're not looking to travel that far, I'm sure there's a great mosque near you that would love to have you over for a hearty meal and chat.

In Thailand?

Islamic Insurgency in Thailand

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Originally posted by THANKUVETS:
Salaam, may I get your opinion, and all of you really..

I am not attacking your religion, just curious, like I am about my friends view as a agnostic. I dont believe that way, but I listen to his side.

So, why then seeing as the Qur'an the largest book on peace and helping, why then is it also the most twisted to use for violence??

Seems it would be the last to get abused, again, just curious, as I dont understand that..

I am not what any would call very religeous, but I do like to know things about it..

Thanks.

It's not the most used scriptural text to promote violence- it's just the one that gets the most publicity. If you look at a list of terrorist groups worldwide, most of them are not Muslim, and many are Christian or Jewish. The human ability to be horrible to one another hasn't been perfected by any particular group.

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Originally posted by THANKUVETS:
Salaam, may I get your opinion, and all of you really..

I am not attacking your religion, just curious, like I am about my friends view as a agnostic. I dont believe that way, but I listen to his side.

So, why then seeing as the Qur'an the largest book on peace and helping, why then is it also the most twisted to use for violence??

Seems it would be the last to get abused, again, just curious, as I dont understand that..

I am not what any would call very religeous, but I do like to know things about it..

Thanks.

Human nature I guess. However, I have to disagree with your premise that it's the most used. I don't see where you get your numbers from. If from history, it is noted that over 1500 years Islam spread primarily by word of mouth, advanced and pioneered much of Western sciences, and it's adherents became some of the most influential in terms of empires over time, Muhammad (saw) did more in 23 years with Islam than any other historical religious figure. Fact.

2. If your talking in the context of the modern issues with Muslims in the last century to present, it must be noted that out of 1.5 billion Muslims on Earth, less than 1% by most intelligence estimates remotely subscribe or use the Qur'an to commit other than peace. Furthermore, whether one uses the Qur'an for peace or not, has no bearing on the text itself, but the person. The real question is what does the book say and how do people's actions measure up to the book they claim to profess.

Surely, in the last 1500 years other books have been used to commit violence in much higher degrees than Muslims since the birth of Muhammad (saw).

So in order to truly answer your question, I would have to see your numbers that explain "most". I can't make a comparison without something to adequately measure.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Salaam:

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Originally posted by anoldnotboldrecondo:
8 nice points Sgt_Salaam.

Is that also how Islam is practiced? Anywhere?

Not that suds and tawodi haven't already said it, but if a religious definition was solely based on the actual practice of said adherents instead of what the religion, religious scholars, text, and history of said religion clearly states, than all religions would be in a world of hurt.

What a religion is and what people do can often be two different things.

Though I agree with your concept that you have to evaluate the religion on the precepts of the texts (not scholars because they disagree), it is my understanding that there is plenty in the Quran/Koran that goes beyond the image you present.

The argument could be made that we must ignore you, as an adherent, and examine the Quran/Koran and if we find certain objectionable material, then consider it a violent religion.

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Originally posted by Sgt_Salaam:

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Originally posted by THANKUVETS:
Salaam, may I get your opinion, and all of you really..

I am not attacking your religion, just curious, like I am about my friends view as a agnostic. I dont believe that way, but I listen to his side.

So, why then seeing as the Qur'an the largest book on peace and helping, why then is it also the most twisted to use for violence??

Seems it would be the last to get abused, again, just curious, as I dont understand that..

I am not what any would call very religeous, but I do like to know things about it..

Thanks.

Human nature I guess. However, I have to disagree with your premise that it's the most used. I don't see where you get your numbers from. If from history, it is noted that over 1500 years Islam spread primarily by word of mouth, advanced and pioneered much of Western sciences, and it's adherents became some of the most influential in terms of empires over time, Muhammad (saw) did more in 23 years with Islam than any other historical religious figure. Fact.

2. If your talking in the context of the modern issues with Muslims in the last century to present, it must be noted that out of 1.5 billion Muslims on Earth, less than 1% by most intelligence estimates remotely subscribe or use the Qur'an to commit other than peace. Furthermore, whether one uses the Qur'an for peace or not, has no bearing on the text itself, but the person. The real question is what does the book say and how do people's actions measure up to the book they claim to profess.

Surely, in the last 1500 years other books have been used to commit violence in much higher degrees than Muslims since the birth of Muhammad (saw).

So in order to truly answer your question, I would have to see your numbers that explain "most". I can't make a comparison without something to adequately measure.

There is some fault in your logic because despite the contributions to science, the social and technological advancement of the same people is more retarded (in the slowed down sense of the word) than it seems others who make scientific advances.

NO no no, I am not saying other are not either, its just you said, the Qu'ran teaches peach and is mostly dedicate to that, I was wondering how they can turn it around for violence then???

I wasnt implying others wasnt used for violence too.

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Originally posted by THANKUVETS:
NO no no, I am not saying other are not either, its just you said, the Qu'ran teaches peach and is mostly dedicate to that, I was wondering how they can turn it around for violence then???

I wasnt implying others wasnt used for violence too.

Because sacred texts, including the Bible, discuss times of peace and war, and what is appropriate for the former will not work for the latter. There are also times when one must defend oneself or others. It is the cherry picking and abuse of the text that yields justification for violence against the innocent.

YEAH!!

What she said!!

It goes for Christianity too.

And just about any other religion. In Sri Lanka the Buddhists are killing Christians can you believe it?? It's true!

Be well Friend......Rev. Bruce