When I joined I had taken college courses and had 49 credit hours, enough to join as E3 but my recruiter placed me as E2. I was home schooled and received a home school diploma yet 15 credits were taken to make up for me not having a high school diploma. When I joined I was under the impression that a home school diploma was equivalent to a high school diploma. Is this true? And if it is true, can anything be done since the contract is already signed?

Also, my ESR and my service record do not show that I have any education past 8 years yet my service record does have my college transcripts. Did I not get any credit at all or is this just how education is done in the records?

It would be really nice to be able to get E3 from my credits earned before coming to the Navy.

Home school is ususally the equivalent of a GED, thus your recruiter helped you out by making you a high school grad with the 15 creditc. Otherwise you would not have been eligible for some things.

When did you quit school and begin home schooling? If in 8th grade that is the reason your records reflect 8 years education. However, since you have the college credits you still are considered to have graduated high school so don't sweat the 8.

Sorry but you only get E2. If I remember correctly they changed the rules a while back about combining credits so you have to put the 15 to HSDG status and the rest towards advanced pay grade.

The E2 will save you 9 months plus shipping before the 16th of the month will save another.

I was home schooled throughout high school and received a home school diploma as well as a GED.

I have already done my TIR for E3 and can get E4 in May, yet I could have gotten E4 right out of 'C' school if I had been given E3 for my college credits since I am in an ATF rate.

I'm just angry that I was allowed to enlist for ATF, 6 years, for no more benefit than going 4 years.

Not sure who moved this here, but since you're active I'll move it back

Its depressing, I graduated both 'A' and 'C' school 2nd and 3rd place and got nothing for it, while everyone else got E4 and I stayed E2.

Don't let it bring you down. Working through the ranks will make you a better Sailor.

For what it's worth, my recruiter told me I'd be an officer within my 1st year of Enlistment. I'm in year 9 and I'm still Enlisted.

You say you have completed TIR for E3, how about the other requirements? Have you even looked into the process? Completed courses if required? Seems like if you have been in a 6 YO A and C school, you should have enough time to be recommended and advanced? Something doesn't ring true about your story.


Added: Your profile says that you are "considering joining" and yet you just registered 9/24/09. Something smells here!!!!!

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- whyworry

My TIR for E3 was 09 Aug 09. I graduated with honors 20 Jul 09. I was told I could advance in May to E4. I did look in the process but did not understand it fully, therefore I asked a question, that is why I just created this account so I could ask it. Thank you for your help. Thank you for being a good shipmate. From the hostility of your post I would assume you were my recruiter.

- bduncs

Thanks, I guess it will make me feel like I earned my ranks more than if I was push buttoned.

Congratulations on your home schooling. You are certified as a whiney butt.

Firat - William answered you questions as to why you were not enlisted as E3. You did not even acknowledge that.

Second - you are mixing TIR and SIPG. The TIR date is the date you are assigned based on when you attain a certain paygrade based on enlistment or advancement. TIR dates are normally the FIRST day of the designated month. SIPG is service in paygrade measured from the TIR date to certain future dates to determine eligibility for advancement.

Third - You graduated with honors, whoopee, you have to graduate FIRST to receive automatic advancement. Your braggado about 2nd and 3rd has nothing to do with whether or not you should have been advanced because of those lofty achievements.

Fourth - SIPG required for E4 is 6 months based on what I can find on the net.

Fifth - You recorded untrue information in your registration on this site - you admit it and the fact you did it to deceive people who were trying to help you. You get what you deserve when you lie, for whatever reason.

Sixth - bye bye whiney butt. Learn to use Navy terminology properly and quit your britching about the bad deal that you have been dealt. You have a job in a good rating with a future if you decide to take advantage of that. So far, based on your posts and attitude here,, you have not yet made that decision.

I am not proud of being home schooled. In fact, I wish I have never been home schooled.

When I said I did my TIR, I meant my TIR to be able to get E3. I haven't been in long so please forgive me if I make a mistake about some things. Still, even with that cleared up it does not change anything I said earlier.

I was not trying to brag about honors, I know, it really doesn't mean anything. Advancement does not apply unless you make top 10% of class. I was in a class of 10 and 16.

I didn't know that I was recording untrue information when I made my account. I filled out the information I was given accurately. I guess I should have gone in my profile and changed more information but like I said in an earlier post, I just created this account to ask this question.

I acknowledged what william969 said to me, I didn't thank him because he had asked me questions and I believed he was still conversing with me. It is not in my nature to thank someone in mid conversation. If I made it seem like I was not thankful for your help then I am sorry, you were great help.

I really didn't want to keep this thread open just because I was defending myself, I really expected people to stay on topic. Don't get me wrong, everyone has been helpful here, even you whyworry, you just didn't answer my original question.

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Originally posted by 18661309:
I am not proud of being home schooled. In fact, I wish I have never been home schooled.

Why?

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Originally posted by 18661309:
I was home schooled throughout high school and received a home school diploma as well as a GED.

I have already done my TIR for E3 and can get E4 in May, yet I could have gotten E4 right out of 'C' school if I had been given E3 for my college credits since I am in an ATF rate.

I'm just angry that I was allowed to enlist for ATF, 6 years, for no more benefit than going 4 years.

Boy, are you being foolish. CTN is such a highly desired rating and the Navy constantly is sending you to schools for additional training. Do you think the Navy is going to send you to all that training without getting some sort of payback?

Secondly, are you saying you could have come in on active duty with only 4 years as a CTN? Think again...

Can you point me to the instruction that says you can get E4 after "C" school with less than 15 Time in Service (TIS). Because every Navy instruction I have ever read says that you must have TIS.... I truly don't think you have your TIS requirements yet....

Corvette,

Here's the instruction concerning those in Advanced Technical Fields... By 15 TIS i'm assuming you mean 15 months? As far as I understand it we only have to fulfill a TIR requirement.

Personnel are authorized guaranteed advancement to E-4 upon successful completion of Phase I training for AEF or ATF programs and NF “A” school training for NF programs. They must have the commanding officer’s recommendation and all requirements for advancement in rate, including TIR, course completion, performance appraisal reviews, performance tests (if required), and meet body fat and physical readiness standards of OPNAVINST 6110.1. Before advancement to E-4, candidates must also complete the POIC. Participation in the Navywide examination is not required. Personnel will be advanced on the 16 of the month when TIR eligible according to BUPERSINST 1430.16. See MILPERSMAN, Article 1510-030 for more details.

And you should quit complaining about a few extra months before you become a third class numbers. It is a privilege and not a right to serve in the USN in such a capacity.

Thanks for correcting me NavyChick.... For some reason I was thinking about the CAP program which makes you have TIS requirement.... I should have known this since my kid is a CTN....