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WHY are people so rude to you and turn their back on you when you decide you want to get out? WHY?
After a year long discussion with my husband we've decided that the military lifestyle isn't one we want to continue. I'm unhappy in my current rate and when approached by someone outside of my command to change rates my immediate COC wasn't supportive at all. There were a few steps I needed to do in order to change rates and when I put the request chits in for them my CPO kept making up excuses why he wouldn't sign my chits or push them through. His putting me off for weeks made me miss my window to put my conversion package in. My DIVO even went as far as to gossip about me to my subordinates,2 SN and junior 2nd and 1 third class. "Why does she think she's so special that she can just decide she wants to change rates..what makes her think she deserves this chance? blah blah blah" All of them came right to me and told me about this and I took immediate actions to put an end to it. The only person who supported me was my LPO. So now I'm trying to take the steps to get out and I feel like I'm blacklisted or something. No one seems to want to help me, just give me garbage for wanting to get out. And I'm not understanding at all. I am not biting the hand that feeds me nor am I being negative in my wanting to get out. I never talk bad about the Navy and am always praising what it has done for me. I've been the LPO of 1 division and ALPO of my current division. I'm not understanding why my CPO or DIVO are treating me the way they are treating me. I feel like they are trying to push me out. My DIVO doesn't like me and he's said it in so many words. He didn't come out and say "I don't like you" but what was said came pretty damn close. And only after being in my squadron for 2 weeks! My CPO seems to just take his word for everything and he's a very irrational person who I feel I can not talk to. He is the type to just jump up and yell without knowing what is going on. It's not just me that is being affected. My current LPO volunteered to go IA and was accepted because she doesn't like my CPO or DIVO. And told all of us just that. Advice?  |
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I was in the same situation at the nine-year mark.
Simply continue to do your job to the best of your ability up to the bitter end, and don't let anyone know the nonsense is getting to you. Just continue to smile sweetly at them and act like nothing is wrong - it'll drive them nuts. I know you don't like the military lifestyle, but do consider the reserves - if nothing else so you don't lose the time you have invested towards retirement. That's what I did, and I'm glad I did. |
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I have to agree with the Chief. I too left at the 9 year point and followed the advice to immediately affiliate with the Selected Reserve. The rest is history and I never looked back. Do what is best for you and your family.
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I will continue to do the reserves. I wasn't going to do it before but I will stick out the time. It isn't that bad. I'm just sorry for people anymore. I don't know how to explain it but it seems the Navy isn't very friendly anymore. I've even had someone take credit for all of my work and get sailor of the quarter while I was on maternity leave for my 2nd kid.
It seems all more and more people are just willing to do what they need to do to get ahead. I had an airman from another shop come in here in tears cause he was unable to eat at the galley due to a faulty ID chip or something and he was out of money. I helped him route his BAS chit because his own LPO wouldn't help him! |
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I'm also getting crossed eyed looks since I'm at 11 now..I keep getting nasty responses when I say I want to get out.
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Thank you for taking the time to help that Sailor. That's one of the traits of an effective leader - taking a moment to help a Sailor in need, even if not one of your Sailors. I'm at a loss here - first, they still have galleys (seems more and more are being closed) and they now use the CAC chip to record payment? |
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I totally know where you are coming from. When I left in 01, I had @10 yrs. I had an e8 div-O who was a complete jerk about it. Every time he saw me he told me how stupid I was for getting out and that theres no way I will be able to find a job, as I had no real skills. I just smiled and kept on about my merry way, as I KNEW I had a plan.
You would think that after giving as much time as youve given that the COC would be supportive of you, but in my case they werent. Its like they took it personally, they even sent me to speak to both the CO and XO to have a personal meeting with each of them to tlak about it. I had had enough of the navy, plain and simple. The deployments, backstabbing...dealing with supervisors who shouldnt have been in charge etc. It is hard for careerists in the navy to hear you dont want their career too. But, just make sure you have a plan, as it can be rough in the civilian world. Theres no safety net. In my case I had a job lined up, before I even took my 60 days of terminal leave. I took great pleasure when said jerk div-o asked me what I was going to do when I got out on my last day. I unfolded the job offer letter from GE(Whom I had gotten a job with) and showed it to him. He didnt say anythign just walked away..and grunted. I could have been ugly about it, but why stoop to their level? If getting out is what you are sure you want, stick to your guns, and finish your time. However, if youre not sure...weigh your option carefully, as being in now is a good thing...as the economy sucks. One other thing, the reserves is no cake walk either...they expect alot. So just a heads up before you get out. Also there are alot of guys who got out and want back in...and find it almost impossible to go back active. Again, think/pray about it...its a big decision. |
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Yes we still have a galley here on North Island and yes you have to swipe your new CAC cards to eat there. I don't know how it records you not getting BAS or whatever it does.
I couldn't just let that kid go without anyone helping him. His LPO wasn't doing it.
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After talking with my husband I am not sure if I will do reserves. I do not like the idea of being called back to active to go to Iraq or somewhere. I do not want any part of the military lifestyle especially a deployment to Iraq. If I wanted any type of deployment I'd just stay in and do time on a ship-I've already got 2 westpacs. When people ask me why I want to get out one of my responses is I do not like to be treated like I am a total moron. I do not like to be talked down to because you can even if you are in the wrong and I still have to be respectful and not tell the person they are really an idiot and are in the very wrong. I almost always get the response "It's the same no matter where you go". But that's not true. I held 2 jobs before joining and neither were anything like this. Also I've served with people who've joined later in life and say it's nothing like this on the outside. My husband was enlisted and got out and worked for a huge corporation before quitting to go to school full time. He's said it's NOTHING like when he was in the military. I really angered my DIVO when he was spouting off to me one day about all of that and I asked him what did he know, he's done this for his adult life, he's been in for 30 years so what does he know of life on the outside. I was just fed up with his constant comments and bickering with me. I know in my heart it's time for me to move on. The thought of getting out brings a smile to my face even as I am typing this. The thought of staying puts a nasty pit in my stomach. I do have a plan. Like I said this is a year in the making. Husband and I have a plan. The only thing we worry about is healthcare for our children. But husband will have his RN degree in 2 years. While he's waiting for that he works at a hospital. We've got a plan. I'm an SK so I can do many admin jobs. I'm also a photographer so I can make a pretty good amount of money with that also. Plus there is GI Bill and schooling full time. I have the FULLEST support from my CO and XO if I wanted to cross rate. I'm very well liked by them. They've opened many doors for me where my photography is concerned and I've photographed many important people and many important shoots while in. I'm looking forward to that day when I have my 1 on 1 meetings with my CO and XO. I will let them know how their sailors are being treated. I will specifically name names of the 2 in my COC and let them know the troubles I've been up against with them. I will let them both know that while they were trying to help a damn good dream of mine to come true my CPO and DIVO made sure to stop it. And I will smile doing it. I can't tell you how I am longing for the day when I cross over that blue line and drive away from this base. I know I will miss it for a few weeks. I know I will mourn the only thing I've known for my adult life this far. But I won't look back on it. I'm looking towards my future.  |
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Most folks find that what they miss the most when they take a discharge or retire is the comraderie - that is, the good time you have with your shipmates. No one misses the nonsense. I also concur with your decision on the reserves. It does take a bit to keep constantly prepared for possible recall and mobilization. Now, bear in mind that just because you get recalled does not mean deployment. I got called up twice - each time it was a local commute for me and a lot of the others that were called up. But then, it depends on the needs of the service and the command your unit supports. Is there some of what you describe on the outside? Yes, depending on the job, etc. I can say that as I did 28 years active and reserve, plus having dealt with the civilian workforce as a government contractor and later as a civil servant for many years. It's easy to say you'll walk away from a civilian job if you get a lot of static, but you also gotta make sure you have something lined up first. In any event, you do what you have to in order to take care of yourself and your family. At least it sounds like you and your husband have thought this through. Good luck. R/ Chief |
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"Be nice, until it's not time to be nice"  |
I'm going to play counselor a little bit here. 11 years is a good amount of time to put into a career. Had you been having problems more than just after you decided to get out? Having never been on a big, floaty thing, I don't know the dynamics or politics of teh big Navy. But, I have learned, that if an individual feels everyone is against them, there is more often then not a reason. It may be a perception, it may be reality. Take a long look into the mirror and ask yourself, was there something that you did to cause hostility? It could be something as simple as a misunderstanding.
As far as the reserves go, think long and hard about it. I would hate for you to throw 11 years away, because that is essentially what you would be doing. There are a ton of reserve billets, and not all are going to be deployed to Iraq. And just a quick FYI, as someone, who as a reservist, has been deployed to Iraq twice, your comment on that, got my hackles up a little. Maybe, you have made comments like that in the past, and others have seen it as a weakness or something. Just my .02 |
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Navy Forums Moderator and Keeper of the Cane GerryRM3@yahoo.com  |
Bill picture an office with 40 women in it all having, shall we say a bad week, and thats the office politics of the big Navy. When you've got as much ass kissing as is going on in the services now when the big boss is unhappy because of someone everybody gangs on. USS Liberty, Never Forget. I believe in Murrays Law, he thought Murphy was an optimist. |
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"Be nice, until it's not time to be nice" |
That is very sad. I hope it works out for her. Like I said she needs to seriously look into the reserves. I would hate to see the OP thorw away 11 yrs. I do understand politics comes into play. I guess, I am just enough of a knuckle dragger, to not understand half-truths and back-stabbing, or sycophants. I have a story from just yesterday, that made me shake my head. Currently, I am in MS, as a trainer for 2 battalions, getting ready to deploy. I overheard the S-7(LTCDR), say that when they talked to the Commodore the other day, they weren't sure if the answer they should give should be the right answer, or the answer they thought, the Commodore thought was right. Blew my mind. |
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"The Hitman" |
I agree about health insurance...its bad not to have it, especially with babies. But, people do it, however, would be better to be getting out if husband had finished schooling and had job with insurance already lined up. I cant tell you how great i felt the day I left PSD on my last day to checking out. I never looked back and never regretted my decision. Although I have kept in touch with alot of guys who were in with me....and you will miss the people. |
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I didn't mean to offend you with my comments about not wanting to go to Iraq. I simply do not want to go. Period. And after reading about women over there, our women and the troubles they are having..I'd rather not do it. I won't generalize because I know not everyone is doing what I'm reading and hearing first hand and I'd like to not even put myself in that position. If that makes me weak then so be it. I will be a weak female who is at home with her children and not facing some pretty crude sexual harassment. My hats off to anyone who deploys though. Ok I want to tackle the comment making issue that you brought up. I did think about that. Normally I am a friendly person. I'm an SK and that is customer serivce. And with a smile. Always try to help people out and all that. Going above and beyond for my shipmates so they can get the job done. As far as my DIVO is concerned. He was overheard saying that he "does not like me because I am too friendly and I talk to people too much". I didn't realize being friendly, not flirty, was a problem in a customer service job. I try to always make sure people have what they need. As far as the talking part..I've been at this command going on 4 years now and I've been an LPO of a shop. I know everyone here. I'm also MWR President so I talk to pretty much everyone in the command when it's fund raiser time. I'm just a people person. Period. My DIVO on the other hand is an angry person who is always complaining. I've asked to be put on the opposite shift of him because of this. Well that and other situations. He's a 30 year Warrant Officer. My problems all really started after I put in my request chit to extend my PRD 7 more months to my EAOS. I decided that I wasn't happy doing this job anymore and wanted to really pursue my photography more. Then when the opportunity rose for me to go for Navy photojournalist I really started to get a lot of crap. That's when my DIVO really started his comments about me. He's never stopped once to ask me why I changed my mind. He's never stopped once to really talk to me about it. He's just told me to just get the F out. And I'm not about to up the information. Without getting really long winded in this basically some issues happened at my command with another female I work with and her CPO boyfriend. To keep them from getting in trouble I got shifted around in my shifts. It sent a ripple effect that made husband and I really rethink if I should get out or not. That's when I decided to stay and really push for the rate change and was stopped because of a game my CPO wanted to play with me. I know it sounds all like speculation but if I were to really tell you about it then I think you'd understand more. Basically it is the office politics and I'm not into that. |
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Oh goodness it really is that way. As my CPO puts it..if we come to him with ANY kind of "issue" he sees us as whining. |
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My goodness I see that all day every day! I can't get with the butt kissing and sucking up. I just can't. LOL |
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We are looking into health insurance right now. He has it through the Veterens hospital. I'm looking to get a little disability when I get out also so I will be covered too. The only thing is our children. Hubby wont' be finished with school for almost 2 years. I'm just not willing to stick it out any longer just for "free" medical and dental. It's really not worth it to me. I will miss most of my coworkers. That I do know. Somedays I know I will miss putting on my uniform or just the little things that go along with it. |
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"Be nice, until it's not time to be nice" |
Laura,
You are correct, if you are an SK, you ARE customer service. Your DIVO is wrong, if that is what he said. I understand your not wanting to go to Iraq.(Heck, I didn't want to go eithre time,lol). But, don't let the 'stories' you hear, persuade you. I personally have never seen any sexual harassment over there. Talk to a recruiter, and seriously think about reserves. The 'Bees are always looking for good SK's. A good SK is worth their weigh tin gold, IMO. I would hate to see you lose 11 years of good service. |
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So I get to work today and was told that my LPO wanted to talk to me. Another CPO that I work with emailed my CPO and a few other CPOs about my shop. My name was mentioned specifically that I told him some information about some parts. The information that he reported was not in any way shape or form what I originally told him. Basically we ordered something and it went ISSIP meaning we would get it. Upon pulling item for me the SK found it was actually Not In Stock so we wouldn't get item but it would remain ISSIP till the morning when the civilians at the location would pass it off station. The CPO I told this too totally twisted my words to say "She told me that the civilians wouldn't break out and issue the part to us in the morning. This is a high pri item. WTF" I don't understand how he got the civilians would issue to us in the moring out of the item is NOT IN STOCK and it will be passed off station. So now my CPO is threatening to send me to days to our tool room to issue tools. Come on now. He's emailing me to tell me if I gave the CPO the incorrect information I will be brought to days to issue tools. And of course since he's a CPO he's in the right and perfect and can do no wrong. That is what my LPO told me. Told me that no matter what I am screwed in this situation.
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After reading all of your posts, it sounds to me that you have a bunch of E-7's running around at your command. It's about helping your sailors out and making sure they excel, not holding them back.
My other half went through something similiar to you last year. Her rating was overmanned, looked at rate conversion a couple got sent off to BUPERS and stopped due to manning or mergers with other rates. Got to her shore duty, and tried a final time to convert to another rate. It all started off well until the new CCC got there (who can't tie his shoes much less counsel one on their career) and her E-8 pretty much back stabbed her and the command would not help her in a conversion. So after almost 14 years (they wouldn't extend to HYT) she got out with a bad taste of the way she had been treated. She is looking to go into the reserves to try and finish out her time for retirement. |
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I do not know of 1 E8 here that I feel I can trust to go to. Even our CMEO. My rating isn't overmanned. I just simply do not enjoy my rate and was pursued by the local PAO to see if I was interested in cross rating to MC. My troubles really started after I started pursuing that. |
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A sailor in tears because he could not eat in the galley? What is he going to do when some big mean CPO yells at him? Change his skivvies? I am sure and I hope the sailor of today is not that sensitive and is a bit more self reliant. I got out at the 13 year mark as a 1st class. I was on a great ship, and my getting out had nothing to do as to where I was. The only thing said to me was by my division officer and the NC. The division officer said "your making a big mistake, but I understand why you are doing it" The NC said "Are you really getting out? It doesn't look good when top 1st class like you leaves the navy" No one harassed me and everyone from the CO down wished me good luck. I just don't understand why you would be harassed if your leaving. Makes no sense to me By the way 10 months later I realized that I made a big mistake and was lucky enough to get back in at the same rank. Did my 20 plus and now wish I did 30 This message has been edited. Last edited by: tl23455, |
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Well TL, as we have said before in long distance cell phone conversations, it sure is a different Navy today... Glad we served when we did and who we served with.  |
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Liddlelaura
Do as you wish. There is no place in the military for those who do not want to be there, and especially those who have everyone against them for whatever reason, real or imaginary. However, your hubbies AA in RN is no cake walk. I have two daughters who are Nurses and one pays for her own Family Health insurance thru the Hospital at less than gloriful pre-pay and premiums. The other Daughter takes her Health Insruance from her hubbies employment due to the better rates. RN's, at most hospitals, work any shift they choose, but they only get paid for the shifts they work. The youngest Daughter works 4/12's to make the big bucks, then goes home for that wonderful laundry, house cleaning, and what hubby leaves behind. After that she gets to sleep only to arise in a few hours to face her next 12. I know photography well. Besides being a superb shutter bug, one must know business, cost accounting, customer relations. And with the latter if you want to accumalate a following clientel you must shoot those 20 minute awards at luncheons that you wait an hour to shoot for an expected low fee for end photos. Plus, the greater fees come from weddings where you shoot on the weekends after a minimum of two free consultatons, followed by two consultations concerning post-wedding albums. Then there is the Mothers of the Bride who think they will want to run you. And the Mothers have run nothing but perhaps a dinner for 8 as their largest organized function. Photographers that go into business locally last approx 2 years, then find out that after overhead, costs, equipment, and taxes that they do not make enough to support a family. Do get out of the Navy. But do not look forward into walking thru a field of clover in civilian life. In civilian life it is move up or you're fired. |
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You and your husband should join the Border Patrol. If you are an E-5 you'll start out making more money than you do now. I am in a similar situation and just got test results back and will be fininshing the process. GL-5 or GL-7 pay is much more than any admin job. I'm an E-6 so I will lose a little money in the begining but make it up in the end. Start the process now, and your time frame should be about right.
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Be extremely careful here. When I got recalled as an E-6 I found my taxable income dropped but my take-home pay increased substansially. Why? BAH and COMRATS. Even making allowance for the fact my BAH was based on TAD vice PCS I was still making out, especially as the allowances are tax-free. Sometimes you get more as a civilian overall, sometimes you lose a lot financially by taking a discharge. You have to sit down and look at your own situation to see what is in your financial best interests. |
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I got out after 9 1/2 and had a similar experience... After a few months away though it dawned on me they were really trying to help me. Got the same crap about it and feeling of no support however but in retrospect it was for me to think about the decision.
Fast forward 6 months and...shoulda listened to em as im trying to go back in Which isn't as easy as most people would expect it to be. |
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I got out a little shy of the 8 year mark, and my boss got out at the 11 year mark. I was so unhappy with the 'Good Old Boys' club that was present in my senior enlisted leadership that it was actually making me ill...weight gain, insomnia, etc. My boss went through something similar... I was repeatedly told I would never amount to anything, I would never find a job, that I didn't have what it takes to make it outside of the Navy as an enlisted man.
We're now DoD civilians...and you can buy back your military service to count towards your total federal years of service for retirement. I won't kid you, it doesn't begin to compensate for giving up military retirement benefits, but its a whole heck of a lot better than nothing. Something to think about.... I totally get where you are coming from. You're going to run into similar situations with terrible leadership in the civilian world...the difference is that, as a civilian, you can just quit and walk away.... I think some of the opinions here are overly harsh. You've raised your right hand and served your country, nobody can take that away from you. If you're in a terrible situation that you cannot see any possibility of improving, then I personally don't think any less of somebody for cutting their losses and walking away. |
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A sailor in tears because he could not eat in the galley? What is he going to do when some big mean CPO yells at him? Change his skivvies? I am sure and I hope the sailor of today is not that sensitive and is a bit more self reliant. How about a sailor in tears because he is out of money and he can't eat? How about a sailor in tears because everyone he's gone to in his chain of command won't help him? The LPO, CPO and the DIVO? Times have changed my friend, times have changed. |
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To all those who had kind words thank you. I made my decision and I am happy with it. To those with not so kind words, well I am still happy with my decision. I've already gotten a job on the outside, one that I will be 10 times more happy at doing. My husband the same. I just know that my decision is the best. Cheers!
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Well tl, nobody cries because he missed a meal. It very well might be the straw that broke the camel's back however. I knew a CPO in Guam that, whenever asked if he could get something rolling or have a task completed, would respond with, "I'm a Chief, I can do anything!" I guess they don't teach that at the CPO Academy any longer. The very idea that his LPO didn't help him is a disgrace to the service. What else happened prior to his CAC being broken? Shouldn't his LPO know that? Was he planning on hanging himself in his barracks after work? Was he just one more problem away from killing five Sailors like that Soldier at Camp Libery? That Soldier wasn't born destined to kill five Soldiers, something happened to him to make him want to kill five other Soldiers. I'm willing to bet his leaders had no idea what was going on in his life. I wonder how many times they told him to man-up and suck it up? MIKE |
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I just can not imagine a sailor starving to death. I also can not imagine every one in that sailors command turning their backs on him. What happened to the sailors buddies? was he totally friendless? How did he get into the position that he had no money to eat? I just refuse to believe that every one in that sailors command turned their backs on him and refused him money to eat. Does not make sense. I can see the headlines today. Sailor stationed at NAS Oceana refused food due to lack of money, starves to death. Lets get real.
I have a friend who is a command master chief, I will ask her if this is possible. I bet there is more to the story. Now littlelaura what did you do to help this sailor? A sailor in tears because he/she can not eat. Give me a break. |
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I'm not saying that missing a meal is cause for concern. I skipped breakfast today. I'm getting along just fine. All I'm saying is that a grown man crying (other than for having to put his dog down) is 9 times out of 10 a sign that there is a huge string of problems behind that Sailor. So he probably has a lot of other issues his CPO should be in on, i.e divorce, death in the family, unfaithful girlfriend, etc.
Sometimes we need to keep on top of our troops because it's the right thing to do, and sometimes we need to keep on top of them simply so they don't go nuts and kill me. MIKE |
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Hamrogers,
I tend to agree with you. I did speak to a recently retired friend of mine, a BMCS. He told me that the way the navy feeds has not really changed. 1. If the sailor is stationed aboard a ship, he simply gets in the chow line. 2. If the sailor is on shore duty, he will have a meal pass. 3. Now if the sailor is on shore duty and has chosen to live off base and draws comrats he will have to pay for his/her meals. Now lets take option 3. Obviously this sailor can not manage money. My take on this is that the sailor habitually ran out of money and his/her shipmates and command got tired of supporting him. (alcoholic maybe) All this sailor has to do is move back on base and meals will be provided for him/her, or would the loss of comrats cut into the sailors play money? Bottom line the navy is not going to let you starve. |
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Let's go back to the original comment here:
"I had an airman from another shop come in here in tears cause he was unable to eat at the galley due to a faulty ID chip or something and he was out of money. I helped him route his BAS chit because his own LPO wouldn't help him!" Going strictly on that, it would appear this may have been a case where the Sailor already had his meal pass, seeing as the CAC was being used to verify he was not drawing BAS. My take is none of us is in any position to opine on why they did not have money. Yes, they may not be able to manage money. Yes, they may have been a problem child, and folks were getting tired of dealing with them. Yes, they may have had something unexpected happen that took up the cash they set aside for whatever (how many of us were in that situation?). I personally have had a CAC where the computer chip fell out and was lost. Bottom line, it makes no difference with regard to whether or not the Sailor had money management issues, is a lush, a discipline problem, or whatever. The Sailor had a problem with regard to a basic human need and needed outside assistance. Assuming the statement made by the OP is true, and I have no way to say if it is or is not, the LPO is in serious need of some documented counseling regarding why they let one of their Sailors down. |
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after reading so much of this blog.. I feel like it all started with "me and my" and not others like your family. Right now, insurance coverages and long term insurance is a great thing to work for. Makes retirement years less stresful. As for getting out, wait till hubby is that RN. Think about the hardship you are putting on your family right now. YOu are the primary bread winner. Step up to the plate. Dont' let one bad command be the end of all you have done. Buck up!!!
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An office with "40 women having a bad week?" No...an office with a bunch of men acting like turds. Since when did immature behavior become the equivalent of acting "womanly" or being a woman? Since men declared themselves perfect? I am a woman that treats people fairly and respectfully...so does that make me "manly?" Apparently, some people believe that the height of womanhood is maliciousness and backstabbing. And people wonder why feminism happened... These grown men of the big Navy are not acting "like women," they are acting "like men."  |
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I was looking into joining the navy after highschool but this post makes most people in there seem like complete *******s...o.O...is it really that bad?
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Lead Mod Navy and Recconect America Forums catherine0830@msn.com Democracy will survive until the government figures out it can bribe the people with their own money. |
WTF? stay in the joining forums, only comment outside there if you have something to add to the conversation, which you obviously dont. |
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