I took a school in the navy, and signed a page 13 stating upon graduation I would reenlist to meet my obliserve to 2011. My EAOS is in october. Did signing that obligate me for another 3 years? Can I still get out in October?
While not technically binding, by signing a Page 13, you gave your word that you would agree to continue your service in the Navy until 2011 in exchange for the Navy sending you to another A-school.
Your question leads me to ask a few.
1. Did you sign that Page 13 in good faith? Or did you do it out of expedience? 2. IF you don't OBLISERV, which Rating and Command were you planning on leaving with a manpower shortfall because you decided to reneg on your word?
I'm not out the screw the navy here. When I signed to page 13 I did sign it in good faith. Although I completed to school, I did graduate from the school. The final test is what determines if your allowed to go on to do the job. I did not pass the final test, so I'm going to be put back in my old rate. The rate that I'm in is being phased out of the navy, and advancment is all but closed right now. When I signed the page 13 I did so expecting to start new career in the navy. Since I cant do that now, and I dont want to go back to a dead rate, I was thinking this might be a good time to start attending college.
Slow your roll. You just provided information that you hadn't before. Specifically the fact that you didn't successfully complete the new school.
My guess is that you should be able to detach at your original EAOS because you didn't complete the requirements for the new Rating.
You need to talk to your Career Counsellor YESTERDAY about your situation. They're the only ones that can give you the correct answer to your question. NOT people on an unofficial discussion board.
Thanks for your help. I know I need to talk to my CCC, I just wanted to get general information first. My CDB isnt for awhile so I plan to talk to my CCC before that happens. My main concern was them forcing me back into a rating with no future.
The nuke pipeline is a tough one. One of my best friends in the Navy didn't score high enough on the Comp to proceed from Power School to Prototype.
As near as anyone can figure, while he transfered to Great Mistakes for FC A-school, his Medical and Dental records went off to Ballston Spa since they never made it to Illinois until about a week before he was due to graduate.
If you went through nuke school you owe them time for ANY portions completed. 1 year obligation strictly for A-school, another year for power school. You owe for Aschool even if you never complete power school.
When you accepted E-4 in A-school you signed another page 13 stating you understood you owed 1 extra year for it.
Why can't you go to the fleet as a conventional in your new rate? Are you an ET? If MM you can easily go conventional (ET nuke is too different from other ET ratings to successfully transfer)
LOL..I didnt say anything about being in Nuke school. I've been in the Navy for 8 years now, and am well pass E-4. At my 6 year mark, instead of getting out I chose to try a different job, and it wasnt Nuke school. I'll be the first to admit I'm to dumb for that school, or from what I hear from other nukes smart enough not to attend.
Sorry. Got that assumption from Johnny's post then looked at your profile and saw you were in NY (where prototype is). This is what I get for connecting un-connecting dots.
Either way, my point is what you owe may be determined by the school itself. Different conditions for different things.
Originally posted by catherine0830: ...looked at your profile and saw you were in NY (where prototype is). This is what I get for connecting un-connecting dots.
Originally posted by szaszgodz: LOL..I didnt say anything about being in Nuke school. I've been in the Navy for 8 years now, and am well pass E-4. At my 6 year mark, instead of getting out I chose to try a different job, and it wasnt Nuke school. I'll be the first to admit I'm to dumb for that school, or from what I hear from other nukes smart enough not to attend.
Ok, my turn to guess. You're a CTM, that tried to crossrate to CTN. Then in school, you found out the dropout rate was 40%, and you were one of those who "rocked out". So now, your wondering about your dead rating...... Well, today I found out that they may actually keep the CTM rating, if so, you will do very good since the Chief's billet will open up again.
Very close. I'm a CTM, but I'm not in CTN school. Had I picked that school I would have been just fine, I'm a really good CTM. But I decided to pick CTI, as it turns out learning a language is hard. Where did you get your information about the CTM rating not going from?
Take it from someone retired and getting a pension check and has much better medical benefits than 99.9% of the population for the rest of his life - find something productive to do for the next 12 years in the Navy.
I can't tell you how many people I run into that tell me they wished they'd stayed in.
Your right about that. Because the CTM rating is going away, I think I might just request early seperation because of the disestablishment and transfer into the reserves. After I finish my degree, try to come back in as an officer, or pick another job.
I agree with Tokeda. Depending on the # of years, you should try to stick it out. The medical benefits cost soooo much.
As for as the CTM word... I was a CTM, and have alot of friend "in the know". They are saying that they will or have restarted the CTM school back up. CTM is a great job, and yes, you could tranfer your SBI to a civilian job, but job are getting scarce. Every year they are having more and more job cuts.
Your concern about being in a rating with no career potential is a valid one. However, before you take a walk see if there is anything you can qualify for and move into it.
You will lose a lot of non-tax benefits (BAH, etc.) by leaving, and there is a big difference between drawing retainer pay at age 38 (if you joined at age 18) and waiting to draw retired pay at age 60 if you join the reserves.
Originally posted by Tokeda: Take it from someone retired and getting a pension check and has much better medical benefits than 99.9% of the population for the rest of his life - find something productive to do for the next 12 years in the Navy.
I can't tell you how many people I run into that tell me they wished they'd stayed in.
Yeah, what the Master Chief said.
Time and time again, I hear people say they wish they would have stayed. Transferring to the reserves and coming back active is no sure bet, officer OR enlisted.
Think long and hard about your future and what you wanna do. There are officer programs for active duty personnel.
I talked to the CTM detailer yesterday. He said that there will be no offical word about CTM's till october. As of right now they schedule to be merged with ET's, but there is consideration for bring them back. Again nothing offical till october.
Szasz, As of now there is nothing official about the merger. If it comes out in October you will then be given your options (convert to ET, change rates, or separate). Separation will depend on how much school you completed already as you have to pay back a certain portion depending on how long you were there. I believe the formula is in the MILPERSMAN.
As for conversion, since you are already a CTM you would probably get that NEC and still be available to fill those billets first. The plus side would be that you would also be able to get ET billets such as sea duty and it also opens up more options for shore duty.
Wait and see what happens and then work with your chain of command and yourself to decide which option is going to work best for you.
Originally posted by szaszgodz: Again nothing offical till october.
This is what I would think. They already closed the CTM school for 2 months now.... Then last week they decide to re-open it. Why would they all of a sudden re-open something that is going away? To me, even though it's not offical, someone in the know has decided to take it upon themselves to start it back up.... Who knows? the Navy has done stranger things....
SZ Maybe you should get out if the page 13 does not hold water. However, that was your signature on the Page 13. You attended the school, but failed yourself. You got what was offered. But you did not take the school seriously enough to pass the end test. Just like you fed this thread piecemeal in trying to solicit official word if you had a service obligation. You are one of those always looking for a bad faith loophole. This is not career loyalty or career thinking for yourself. You only pass through life one time.
But like Tokeda posted, you will be sorry if you get out. The bennies that come with Military Retirement cannot be touched by 99.9% of the civilian world.
If you get out and apply for a Commission after college, tell the Recuiter you reneged on your promise for obligated service. You will see a Recuriter act just like you. Looking for a bad faith loop hole to meet his quota.
