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What's your take on this situation and why?
A reservist participates in an exercise in the same role and capacity as active duty members involved with the exercise. The reservist is participating as an industry representative. If an award is given to participants of the exercise (i.e. Meritorious Team Comm.), would this reservist be eligible to receive the award? Would your answer be any different if it was an actual response/rescue? |
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I would think that if the reservist was there as a member of industry then he was a civilian.
If he were there as a member of the Coast Guard then he would get the award. |
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It would be shameful not to include the reservist in the team award. What the reservist does for a living on the outside is his or hers own buisiness, as long as it not breaking the law. Just my 2 cents.
 chapwood |
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I agree with this as well, if you were there acting in a military capacity, the you should recieve the same award as any other active/reserves recieved. If you were there acting in a civilian capcity then you should recieve a pat on the back and expect nothing more/nothing less. Did you participate in this event on a drill weekend, or on some type of orders? Or was whatever company you happen to work for as a civilian asked to participate in the excercise? Perhaps you could enlighten us on the particular action/excercise and what you/others did, and who exactly you were working for at the time, then perhaps we could give a more detailed opinion? -Jeff |
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"civilian reservists?"
  IMHO, if he was there under orders as a CG reservist, then yes, he should get the military award. If he was there representing his civilian employer, as an industry partner with the CG, then an "atta-boy" letter or somesuch would be appropriate. All of this is assuming that he performed at a level to receive an award...
Well, if he were involved in an actual rescue, he could be put in for the Gold Lifesaving Medal as a civilian... |
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I've witnessed it a couple of times. Reservists find out about an exercise because of thier reserve duty, convince their employers to send them "on the clock", and work side-by-side with the active duty folks as evaluators or controlers. On the other end of the phone in the control center or the source of an anonomous evaluation, it's impossible to determine if someone is in uniform or "on orders". Same goes for those reservists that are employed by state regulators or marine patrol as civilians during a response. Once a "Unified Command" is established during an incident response, isn't everyone working for the same (UC) boss and toward achieving the same goal? I've seen commands operate both ways: some have considered it "Team Coast Guard" and list everyone on awards; while others say "no uniform, no award". Here are two extreme examples... Reservists LCDR Gilbert F. Granados, MK1 Jeffrey A. Palazzo, PS2 Vincent G. Danz, and auxiliarist Gregory Sikorsky all died at the World Trade Center. Did any of them receive Purple Hearts, 9-11 Guardian Medals, or other awards posthumously? Should they, considering they were not "in uniform" at the time of the attack? The 3-07 issue of "The Reservist" magazine talks about IT1 Jay Feimster, USCGR, deployed to Iraq as a civilian employed by the Marine Corps. Will he be awarded/wearing the Iraq Campaign Medal or GWOTEM? Would he have to arrange for a single USCGR drill while deployed to earn these awards and wear them on a Coast Guard uniform? |
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No, he'd have to arrange 60 days (drill and/or AT) to be able to claim the ICM. The GWOTEM is no longer awarded for Iraq. |
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"A Marine on duty has no friends." |
LOL shuman14......good one.
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FEM,
Really, I didn't mean it to be funny. Truthfully, if any Reservist, who's civillian employer has him in the sandbox and that service member can arrange (thru the proper military channels of their Service) to attend Drills and AT with a unit in Theater, they would rate a ICM after 60 non-consecutive days. |
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Some military awards can be authorized for civilians (even those outside the Auxiliary, by the way). So, if the award that the on-duty people get is also authorized for civilians, sure, go ahead and give it to the not-on-duty Reservist as well.
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Reservists and Guardsmen are not allowed to drill in Combat Zones. They can perform active duty (ADT-AT, ADSW-AC, etc.) but not reserve drills (IDT).
Civilians who are USG DoD/USCG often do receive like awards (or lapel pins), e.g., team or unit commendations, when doing the same thing as their Military counterparts. I don't know if they can wear the awards earned while on civilian duty on their Military uniforms if also a Reservist or Guardsman -- probably not. Though, I would recommend it if they earned them -- and they were Military awards -- as a USG employee, just like awards from another "service." |
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Hello Everyone good info on the subject. This is the IT1 refered to that went to Iraq with the USMC as a civilian. I will be heading back if anyone has any ideas on how it should be done? Everyone I ask has no clue.
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