1. Why didn't we use existing uniforms, such as the Marine or Army BDU just dyed CG Blue?

2. Wouldn't it make more since to use epilets like the Army, since you could line up 100 coasties with the Uniform Reg in hand, and still not have 2 with there rank pinned on correctly?

3. Why is there such a big deal about prior service wearing there award's and badge's from other service's? I don't care if it's the most lowly award given, if you earned it you should where it.

4. Why hasn't the CG ever come up with a uniform item of its own, and if we have what is it?

1. Tried, discussed and rejected for multiple reasons
2. No - we are not the Army. Shoulder are used for rank - ie officers. If folks can't pin on their insignia properly, that is a leadership issue that should be dealt with before they are even lined up.
3. They can - if they stay in their previous service. They are wearing a CG uniform. True, some things should come over, but not everything. Personal decorations should (and used too) but not unit awards nor some lower level gimmes. (do I need to mention the several 'i graduated boot camp ribbons?) You would look kind of silly wearing two pistol ribbons, one with green stripes, one with white stripes) Qual insignia represent your CG work. Another one of our sister services uses insignia the same as we use rating badges - nothing more.
4. Easier to name stuff we copied.... much less items.

1. Because we are not the Army or the Marines. FYI the Army is not too satisfied with their new ACU it’s a Velcro nightmare.

2. Epilates are for Officers if you want to wear them my suggestion would be go to OCS. I have seen numerous people with their collar devices pinned on correctly at inspections. If you see someone with their collar devices pinned on incorrectly try saying "hey shipmate let me help you do this right". That would make you a good leader.

3. Because you are not in the other service anymore you are in the CG now. Did you see Cuttermans Pins, Coxswain Pins or any CG badges on Army uniforms? If you want to wear them my suggestion would be to go back to the Army but don't expect them to let you wear anything you gained in the CG.

4. The old Working Blue was a CG uniform and the Navy even adopted our pants from that uniform replacing their bellbottoms with the four back pockets on them.

Hope this answers your questions.

Alright here is why we like to carry over our awards at least why I do. First when you come from another service with time in CG personnel like to look down to you because you are now a SN or FN and think you know nothing of military bearing. When in fact you may know more but I bite my tongue and ride it out. Then you choose a rate like SK (I did) and you have people giving you crap like you don'y stand watch or work hard because I don't do too much physical labor. Low and behold they are talking to some one who is ex infantry and has many watches under there belt running on little if not any sleep. But yet I ride it out. So our way of showing we've been there done that is by wearing our badges, patches, and awards. Not to mention I take pride in all of mine CG and Army alike. And for saying the lower ones are gimmes I don't think any award is a gimme. You've earned it in some form or shape. It's the whole bigger picture thing. Soryy if I'm a little bent out of shape but that is how I feel and if anyone has a problem with that by all means I'm in global. Semper P......Hooah!

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Originally posted by darylniles:
Alright here is why we like to carry over our awards at least why I do. First when you come from another service with time in CG personnel like to look down to you because you are now a SN or FN and think you know nothing of military bearing. When in fact you may know more but I bite my tongue and ride it out. Then you choose a rate like SK (I did) and you have people giving you crap like you don'y stand watch or work hard because I don't do too much physical labor. Low and behold they are talking to some one who is ex infantry and has many watches under there belt running on little if not any sleep. But yet I ride it out. So our way of showing we've been there done that is by wearing our badges, patches, and awards. Not to mention I take pride in all of mine CG and Army alike. And for saying the lower ones are gimmes I don't think any award is a gimme. You've earned it in some form or shape. It's the whole bigger picture thing. Soryy if I'm a little bent out of shape but that is how I feel and if anyone has a problem with that by all means I'm in global. Semper P......Hooah!

I could not have said it better. I went thru the same crap "swallowing your pride" while I waited my 32 months to go to EM "A" school, "many years ago", just to get back to one over par. I would imagine all prior service personnel when jumping out of one service to another go thru this same process.
It's just a matter of playing catch up, and having the drive to smoke everyone on servicewides after you get rated. Good luck.

chapwood

When you quit Pizza Hut and go to work for Burger King do you wear your Pizza Hut uniform? NO. You just bring along the knowledge you learned there.

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Originally posted by Seagull1965:
When you quit Pizza Hut and go to work for Burger King do you wear your Pizza Hut uniform? NO. You just bring along the knowledge you learned there.

When I went from KFC to Western Sizzilin I did.

chapwood

What we comparing apples to oranges now. Military/Civilian.....I think there is a slight differance.

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CG personnel like to look down to you because you are now a SN or FN and think you know nothing of military bearing

Military bearing is displayed in your day to day activities. It doesn't take a ribbon from another service to demonstrate proper military bearing.

While waiting for school I am sure you saw the crap people got for being an SK, or a YN or any other rate. Every rate gets screwed with regardless of who or what BM's are dumb, MK's are dirty, SK's and YN's don't work FT's are tourist, ET's are trekkies etc. Maybe it is time to not be so sensitive and think the whole CG is out to get you.

If military bearing is in your day to day activities, then why doesn't the majority of the people I see in the guard take more pride in their uniforms. For example ironing, shining boots, tucking shoe laces in oh and the one I dislike the most people wearing white socks. I know oh well you can't see my socks, what about doing the right thing when no one is looking. On to the ribbon comment. I don't remember saying or thinking ribbons are earned by military bearing. Cause they are not. They are earned by performance, operations, campaigns and so on. On to being sensitive and the CG is out for me well you got the wrong guy. Definitly not sensitive I personally don't care about what some one thinks...it's my career and I know how and where I am going with it. And I know the CG is not out to get me, I love the CG I mean where else can I get paid to go on vacation in nine man bearthing to the Carribean in a pretty white ship?

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Definitly not sensitive I personally don't care about what some one thinks...

Your previous posts contradict that statement.

whats wrong with white socks in ODU's? I dont do it because nobody watches me dress, I do it because the uniform manual says I can.

////EM1 SENDS

R 261515Z APR 07 ZUI ASN-A00116000023
FM COMDT COGARD WASHINGTON DC//CG-12//
TO ALCOAST
BT
UNCLAS //N01020//
ALCOAST 223/07
COMDTNOTE 1020
SUBJ: OPERATIONAL DRESS UNIFORM (ODU) CARE AND WEAR POLICY
A. COMDT COGARD WASHINGTON DC 091300Z AUG 04/ALCOAST 380/04
B. COMDT COGARD WASHINGTON DC 251747Z MAY 06/ALCOAST 300/06
C. UNIFORM REGULATIONS, COMDTINST M1020.6 (SERIES)
1. REFS A AND B ARE CANCELLED.
2. THIS ALCOAST CLARIFIES THE PROPER WEAR OF THE ODU. THE ODU IS A
GENERAL PURPOSE EVERYDAY UNIFORM THAT IS INTENDED FOR WEAR IN ANY
SITUATION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DRESS UNIFORM. IN ADDITION, SINCE
THIS UNIFORM MAY BE WORN IN MANY OPERATIONAL SITUATIONS, AND IN
ORDER TO MAINTAIN SAFETY AND CONSISTENCY IN APPEARANCE, METAL
DEVICES OR ATTACHMENTS WILL NO LONGER BE AUTHORIZED.
3. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY TO THE ODU:
A. WHEN WASHING, ENSURE THAT ALL VELCRO CLOSURES ARE FASTENED TO
MINIMIZE COLLECTION OF LINT AND FOREIGN MATTER.
B. THE ODU SHALL BE IRONED WITHOUT MILITARY CREASES. IN ADDITION,
COLLARS, LAPELS, SLEEVES, AND POCKETS ON BOTH THE ODU TOP AND
TROUSERS SHALL LAY FLAT. GREAT CARE MUST BE TAKEN WHEN IRONING THE
ODU. EXCESSIVE HEAT, STARCHING, AND REPEATED SHARP CREASING CAN
RESULT IN WHITENING AND/OR FINISH DAMAGE. IRON THE UNIFORM INSIDE
OUT TO MINIMIZE GLOSS OR SHINE.
C. THE ODU UNIFORM WILL BE WORN WITH 8 INCH SAFETY BOOTS, WELL-
BLACKENED AND WHEN WORN IN AN OFFICE BOOTS SHALL BE POLISHED TO A
SHINE. TUCK AWAY EXCESS LACES SO THEY CAN NOT BE SEEN.
D. THE ODU TROUSERS SHALL BE BLOUSED, WITH EITHER VELCRO OR HOOK
TYPE ELASTIC BANDS, BETWEEN THE SECOND AND THIRD BOOT EYELET.
CARGO POCKETS MAY BE USED, BUT ITEMS STOWED SHALL NOT TAKE AWAY
FROM A SMART MILITARY APPEARANCE.
E. THE ODU T-SHIRT SHALL BE IN GOOD CONDITION WITH NO TEARS OR
STAINS. DUE TO HEALTH AND SAFETY ISSUES, MORE RESEARCH IS REQUIRED
BEFORE A WICKABLE T-SHIRT IS AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WITH THE ODU.
F. ALL ACCESSORIES SHALL BE IN GOOD REPAIR AND WORN AS FOLLOWS:
1. AFTER 15 JULY 2007, ALL ACCESSORIES WORN ON THE ODU SHALL
BE EMBROIDERED.
2. COLLAR RANK AND SPECIALTY INSIGNIA CAN BE METAL (STANDARD
UNTIL 15 JULY 2007) OR EMBROIDERED (CURRENTLY OPTIONAL, BECOMING
STANDARD AFTER 15 JULY 2007). NO MIXING OF STYLES IS AUTHORIZED.
INSIGNIA SHALL NOT BE SCRATCHED, BENT, TORN OR DISFIGURED IN ANY
WAY. ALL COLLAR RANK INSIGNIAS, WITH EXCEPTION OF EMBROIDERED O3
AND O6, SHALL BE PLACED ON THE IMAGINARY LINE BISECTING THE ANGLE
OF THE COLLAR WITH THE BASE OF THE INSIGNIA (NOT THE EMBROIDERED
PATCH) APPROX 1 1/8 INCH FROM COLLAR POINT. DUE TO THEIR HORIZONTAL
FORMAT, EMBROIDERED O3 AND O6 RANK INSIGNIA SHALL BE PLACED 1 1/2
INCHES FROM THE POINT.
3. QUALIFICATION INSIGNIA SHALL BE CENTERED DIRECTLY ABOVE THE
U.S. COAST GUARD NAMETAPE ON THE WEARERS LEFT HAND POCKET. ONLY
ONE EMBROIDERED QUALIFICATION INSIGNIA IS AUTHORIZED. METAL
INSIGNIAS ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. EMBROIDERED INSIGNIA SHALL BE THE
SAME SIZE AS THE METAL INSIGNIA, CENTERED ON A TAPE THE FULL WIDTH
OF THE POCKET. THE TAPE SHALL NOT EXCEED THE WIDTH OF THE POCKET.
TEMPORARY QUALIFICATION INSIGNIAS SHALL NOT BE WORN ON THE ODU.
4. INCUMBENT COS AND OICS ARE AUTHORIZED TO WEAR THE
EMBROIDERED COMMAND ASHORE OR AFLOAT DEVICES CENTERED DIRECTLY
ABOVE THE MEMBERS NAMETAPE ON THE WEARERS RIGHT HAND POCKET. METAL
DEVICES ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. EMBROIDERED DEVICES SHALL BE THE SAME
SIZE AS THE METAL INSIGNIA, CENTERED ON THE POCKET.
5. SINCE THESE POSITIONS ARE INTEGRAL TO THE COMMAND CADRE,
INCUMBENT GOLD AND SILVER BADGE COMMAND CHIEFS ARE AUTHORIZED TO
WEAR THEIR RESPECTIVE BADGES (EMBROIDERED ONLY) ON THE ODU. MENS
BADGES SHALL BE WORN CENTERED ON THE WEARERS LEFT POCKET. WOMENS
BADGES SHALL BE WORN ABOVE THE NAME TAPE OF THE RIGHT POCKET.
G. THE BUCKLE AND BELT TIP OF THE STANDARD 1 1/4 INCH BLACK ODU
BELT MUST NOT BE CHIPPED OR DISCOLORED. THE BITTER END SHALL
EXTEND 2-4 INCHES PAST THE BELT BUCKLE ON THE WEARERS LEFT.
H. THE BASIC RIGGERS BELT (NSN: 8415-01-526-5551), ALSO KNOW AS
THE BATTLE DRESS UNIFORM (BDU) BELT, CAN BE PURCHASED THRU THE UDC
AND MAY BE WORN AS AN OPTIONAL ITEM ON THE ODU. THIS BELT IS A 1
3/4 INCH BLACK NYLON BELT. WHEN WORN, THE BITTER END SHALL EXTEND
2-4 INCHES PAST THE BELT BUCKLE ON THE WEARERS LEFT. (THIS WILL
REQUIRE THE BELT BE PASSED THROUGH THE BELT LOOPS FROM THE RIGHT,
THE OPPOSITE OF OTHER MENS BELTS). THE BASIC RIGGERS BELT COMES IN
ONE LENGTH AND NEEDS TO BE CUT TO SIZE. TO DETERMINE THE CORRECT
BELT LENGTH, LACE THE BELT THROUGH BELT LOOPS, PASS IT BEHIND THE
BELT BAR, THEN FEED IT BACK THROUGH AND OVER THE BELT BAR. FINALLY,
PULL TO SECURE. NEXT, MARK THE BELT SO THAT NO MORE THAN 4 INCHES
EXTEND PAST THE BUCKLE. MAKE A STRAIGHT CUT ALONG THIS MARK. SINGE
THE BITTER END TO AVOID UNRAVELING. THE "BLACK HAWK" RIGGERS BELT
IS NOT AUTHORIZED FOR GENERAL WEAR, BUT MAY BE WORN AS
ORGANIZATIONAL EQUIPMENT DURING TACTICAL MISSIONS.
I. THE STANDARD OR UNIT BALL CAP SHALL BE WELL-FORMED AND IN GOOD
CONDITION WITH NO SOILING, FADING OR TEARS, NOR WILL IT CONTAIN ANY
DEVICES OR PINS BEYOND THE COLLAR INSIGNIA OR CG SHIELD AS
APPROPRIATE FOR RANK. ALSO, NO ADDITIONAL WRITING ON EITHER THE
FRONT OR REAR OF THE CAP IS AUTHORIZED.
4. MANNER OF WEAR: THE ODU IS NOT A LIBERTY UNIFORM AND SHALL NOT
BE WORN AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR COVERALLS. HOWEVER, IT CAN BE WORN
DURING THE FOLLOWING AUTHORIZED CIRCUMSTANCES:
A. WHILE TRAVELING IN GOVERNMENT VEHICLES, VESSELS, AIRCRAFT, ON
ORDERS IN A COMMERCIAL CONVEYANCE, OR WHILE TRAVELING ON ORDERS IN
A FOREIGN COUNTRY (IF APPROVED BY THE U.S. EMBASSY).
B. WHILE COMMUTING, TO INCLUDE MASS TRANSIT, DURING INFORMAL OFF
BASE LUNCHES, VISITS TO DOD FACILITIES OR FOR SHORT STOPS IN
CONVENIENCE OR RETAIL STORES.
C. WHILE IN AN EDUCATIONAL ENVIRONMENT AT OTHER DOD AGENCIES (AS
DIRECTED BY THEIR COMMANDING OFFICER).
D. THE ODU TOP IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE UNIFORM. IT SHALL ONLY
BE REMOVED TEMPORARILY, WHEN WORKING IN EXCESSIVELY HOT CONDITIONS
OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE.
E. THE ODU IS AUTHORIZED FOR OFFICE WEAR AT THE COMMANDING
OFFICERS DISCRETION.
5. THE ODU HOT WEATHER VERSION IS OPTIONAL AND OR ORGANIZATIONAL
DEPENDING ON COMMANDS DIRECTION. THE ODU HOT WEATHER UNIFORM MAY BE
AUTHORIZED BY THE AREA, DISTRICT, OR MLC COMMANDER WHEN EXTREME
WORK ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRE IT. THIS PRESCRIBING AUTHORITY CAN NOT BE
DELEGATED. COMMANDS SHALL BE JUDICIOUS WHEN EMPLOYING THIS OPTION
TO ENSURE A PROFESSIONAL APPEARANCE. THE HOT WEATHER UNIFORM IS
NOT AUTHORIZED FOR ROUTINE WEAR IN THE OFFICE. IT IS NOT
AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WHILE COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK OR ANY OTHER
PUBLIC SETTING.
THE HOT WEATHER UNIFORM CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS:
A. ODU TOP IAW PARAGRAPHS 1-3 ABOVE.
B. ODU SHORTS (ODU TROUSERS HEMMED AT THE KNEE OR 1 INCH ABOVE
THE KNEE) WORN WITH EITHER THE STANDARD ODU OR OPTIONAL RIGGERS
BELT. COMMERCIALLY PROCURED SHORTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED.
C. ODU T-SHIRT.
D. BLACK CREW LENGTH SOCKS.
E. LOW TOP SAFETY SHOES MUST COMPLY WITH ANSI Z41-1999.
F. COMMERCIAL ODU SHORTS ARE NOT ORGANIZATIONAL CLOTHING AND CAN
NOT BE PURCHASED WITH UNIT FUNDS.
6. WHEN WEARING THE MATERNITY ODU: NAMETAPES, U.S. COAST GUARD
NAMETAPE, AND QUALIFICATION INSIGNIA ARE TO BE WORN ON THE
MATERNITY ODU IN THE SAME RELATIVE AREA AS ON THE STANDARD ODU.
MINOR ADJUSTMENTS IN PLACEMENT ARE AUTHORIZED TO PREVENT DISCOMFORT
AND TO PRESENT AN ORDERLY AND BALANCED APPEARANCE.
7. WORK CONTINUES ON THE UNTUCKED VERSION OF THE ODU. THIS
VERSION, WHICH WILL ALSO HAVE AN ENHANCED (WRINKLE RESISTANT, OIL
AND FADE RESISTANT) MATERIAL IS STILL BEING DEVELOPED, ALTHOUGH
SOME PROTOTYPES HAVE BEEN DISTRIBUTED FOR INITIAL TESTING. A
SERVICE WIDE AVAILABILITY DATE IS STILL UNKNOWN.
8. ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS ALCOAST WILL BE INCORPORATED IN A FUTURE
CHANGE TO REF C.
9. INTERNET RELEASE AUTHORIZED.
10. RELEASED BY CURTIS B. ODOM, ACTING DIRECTOR OF PERSONNEL
MANAGEMENT.
Where does this say white socks are authorized. The only uniform I know that allows white socks were when wearing shorts.
SK2 sends

I always liked the look of that hat. I was AD a bit earlier than that. We were issued the blue flat hat at Cape May in 1959. It didn't seem to be authorized to wear anywhere, but I did wear it whenever I thought I could get away with it. (Not too many Uniform Nazis or SPs wandering around the shouth shore of Long Island!)

...gjd

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...
.....Where does this say white socks are authorized. The only uniform I know that allows white socks were when wearing shorts.
SK2 sends

Try looking at 3.C.9 of the Uniform Regs, and then refer to message above.

thanks MC.
The regs say visible portions of boot socks will be black. What portion of your socks are visible? None. also you said the only uniform you can wear white socks in is with shorts. The message YOU posted clearly states that black socks are worn (item D in hot weather option section) with shorts. White socks are worn with all white trousers except when wearing pumps or flats (whats a flat?)
But seriously. If socks are all we are worried about we are doing good right? Im more worried about the immediately visible stuff. Boots bloused. jacket zipped up (I HATE when people run around with an open jacket) the wearing of sew on TEMPORARY insignia.

This is good. I like this. Discussion stimulates learning.

////EM1 WISHING EVERYONE A GOOD WEEKEND SENDS

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4. Why hasn't the CG ever come up with a uniform item of its own, and if we have what is it?

They have, several times... In fact one time they hired a famous Hollywood designer (Edith Head) to design the female uniforms...

Wray...

Not to pick nits...

quote:

ALCOAST 223/07
COMDTNOTE 1020
SUBJ: OPERATIONAL DRESS UNIFORM (ODU) CARE AND WEAR POLICY
A. COMDT COGARD WASHINGTON DC 091300Z AUG 04/ALCOAST 380/04
B. COMDT COGARD WASHINGTON DC 251747Z MAY 06/ALCOAST 300/06
C. UNIFORM REGULATIONS, COMDTINST M1020.6 (SERIES)
1. REFS A AND B ARE CANCELLED.
2. THIS ALCOAST CLARIFIES THE PROPER WEAR OF THE ODU. THE ODU IS A
GENERAL PURPOSE EVERYDAY UNIFORM THAT IS INTENDED FOR WEAR IN ANY
SITUATION THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE A DRESS UNIFORM. IN ADDITION, SINCE
THIS UNIFORM MAY BE WORN IN MANY OPERATIONAL SITUATIONS, AND IN
ORDER TO MAINTAIN SAFETY AND CONSISTENCY IN APPEARANCE, METAL
DEVICES OR ATTACHMENTS WILL NO LONGER BE AUTHORIZED.
3. EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, THE FOLLOWING SHALL APPLY TO THE ODU:
<<CLIPPED>>
5. THE ODU HOT WEATHER VERSION IS OPTIONAL AND OR ORGANIZATIONAL
DEPENDING ON COMMANDS DIRECTION. THE ODU HOT WEATHER UNIFORM MAY BE
AUTHORIZED BY THE AREA, DISTRICT, OR MLC COMMANDER WHEN EXTREME
WORK ENVIRONMENTS REQUIRE IT. THIS PRESCRIBING AUTHORITY CAN NOT BE
DELEGATED. COMMANDS SHALL BE JUDICIOUS WHEN EMPLOYING THIS OPTION
TO ENSURE A PROFESSIONAL APPEARANCE. THE HOT WEATHER UNIFORM IS
NOT AUTHORIZED FOR ROUTINE WEAR IN THE OFFICE. IT IS NOT
AUTHORIZED FOR WEAR WHILE COMMUTING TO AND FROM WORK OR ANY OTHER
PUBLIC SETTING.
THE HOT WEATHER UNIFORM CONSISTS OF THE FOLLOWING ITEMS:
A. ODU TOP IAW PARAGRAPHS 1-3 ABOVE.
B. ODU SHORTS (ODU TROUSERS HEMMED AT THE KNEE OR 1 INCH ABOVE
THE KNEE) WORN WITH EITHER THE STANDARD ODU OR OPTIONAL RIGGERS
BELT. COMMERCIALLY PROCURED SHORTS ARE NOT CURRENTLY AUTHORIZED.
C. ODU T-SHIRT.
D. BLACK CREW LENGTH SOCKS.
E. LOW TOP SAFETY SHOES MUST COMPLY WITH ANSI Z41-1999.
F. COMMERCIAL ODU SHORTS ARE NOT ORGANIZATIONAL CLOTHING AND CAN
NOT BE PURCHASED WITH UNIT FUNDS.
<<CLIPPED>>
8. ALL PROVISIONS OF THIS ALCOAST WILL BE INCORPORATED IN A FUTURE
CHANGE TO REF C.
9. INTERNET RELEASE AUTHORIZED.

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If you get a chance to edit that post, why dont you bold the 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th words in Para 5. Things will become very clear.

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Originally posted by Cajun_MK:
Did you see Cuttermans Pins, Coxswain Pins or any CG badges on Army uniforms?

FYI, yes, you do see them and it is authorized under Army regulation.