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Does anyone have a recommendation of Internet mail order site for wood frame/glass for standard medal certificates?

I am looking for something like a 16.5" x 13.5" overall wood frame with dark matting with 10" x 8" opening for award certificate. Thanks.
 
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I had both of my commission certificates done up in frames with navy blue matting, one at a custom frame shop, one at Michael's Hobbies, etc.

Both look great, but Michaels's was $50 cheaper.

A local trophy shop should have wooden plaques for under the certificates with plexiglass covers and the four rosettes to tack the plexi on.

I've used those in the past (gave my Dad his Cold War Certificate on Father's Day that way).
 
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gave my Dad his Cold War Certificate on Father's Day that way



I sure hope you gave him something to go along with that..

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gave my Dad his Cold War Certificate on Father's Day that way



I sure hope you gave him something to go along with that..

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To bad there's not a Cold War Service Medal to go with it.

In case you hadn't heard it got stripped out of NDAA again. I think that's the third or fourth year in a row.
 
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Why the need for a medal? I don't think it rates one....... Several that were in got a National Defense ribbon.. that should be sufficient. Personally, I don't think the Cold War certificate means much.... but, that is just my opinion.

Some of the criteria for it includes:
Any person who has been employed at least one day by the United States Government at any time during the Cold War era, September 2, 1945 through December 26, 1991, is eligible to receive the certificate (must prove that service to the country was faithful and honorable.).

Pretty general, huh? In other words you were in the military during that time frame.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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See that's my problem with the Cold War Service Certificate, it's NOT a military award it's a civilian award.

The certificate you and I earned for the Cold War is the SAME certificate that the towel boys in the Congressional Head get and the part-time Christmas sorters at the post office get.

That's just not right. The normal, appropriate, and standard form of recognition for this type of service in the military is a Campaign/Service medal.

Now I don't know what you did during the Cold War and I'm not knowledgable about what role the Coast Guard, as a whole, served during the Cold War but in generalized sense of all the Armed Forces the Cold War was much "hotter" than most are aware of.

I'm going to cut and paste a statement from the American Cold war Veterans that sums this up better than I can:

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History of the Cold War Medal
Several versions of a Cold War Victory Medal or Service Medal have been available for purchase, but have never been authorized for wear by the United States Government. Although the nature of such privately made medals are as commemorative medals. The two most popular seem to have been the Cold War Medal sold by the Foxfall Medals Company and the version sold by Medals of America. Links to both companies are provided in the “links” section of this website, but neither version is endorsed by the American Cold War Veterans organization – the links are provided for information only.

The fight for recognition of Cold War service with a medal goes back to the 1990s. In 1997, the Senate version of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for 2008 included authorization of a Cold War Service Medal, but the medal was stripped out during the House-Senate Conference. However, the NDAA for that year did include language commending those who honorably served the United States Government in the Cold War.

In 1999, a Cold War Victory Medal was included in a measure introduced by Senator John Warner for himself, Mr. Phil Gramm, Ms. Hutchison, Mr. Lott, and Mr. Coverdell. The bill passed, but did not result in actual creation of a medal.

In 2001, the NDAA for 2002 passed both House and Senate with provision for a Cold War Medal, as well as a Korea Defense Service Medal. Pentagon opposition to these medals resulted in the final language of the NDAA being softened to a recommendation that the Secretary of Defense “consider authorizing” the two medals. Secretary Rumsfeld declined to approve them.

Korea Defense Service Medal - A Case in Point

The NDAA for 2003 included language authorizing the Korea Defense Service Medal (KDSM), resulting in the creation of the KDSM. The KDSM's cost to the Pentagon budget was miniscule, with only 192,000 KDSM medals being purchased by June 2006, at a unit cost of $1.41. Thus, with perhaps 92,000 KDSMs being issued to currently serving troops through military supply channels, only 100,000 of the medals were issued "on application" by individuals with prior service, reflecting demand by only about 5% of those eligible due to prior service. Current procurement of KDSMs runs about 38,000 per year.

COLD WAR MEDAL - THE FIGHT CONTINUES

The Cold War Medal Acts of 2003, 2005, and 2007 were introduced in the Senate by Senator Hillary Clinton, who serves on the Armed Services Committee. S.1097, The Cold War Medal Act of 2007, was cosponsored by Senator Susan Collins (R-ME), giving the bill bipartisan support. The Cold War Medal Act of 2007 was reintroduced as S.1763 last July, and referred to Committee.

The NDAA for 2008, passed by the House of Representatives as H.R.1585, included a Cold War Victory Medal. H.R.1585 is now before the Senate for debate and action. In July, Senator Clinton (for herself and Senator Collins) filed an amendment (SA.2163) to add a Cold War Medal to the Senate version. H.R.1585 will be taken up again by the Senate September 14, 2007.

We are hopeful that there will be an amendment to H.R.1585, to include a Cold War Medal. However, since the House version includes a Cold War Victory Medal, this must be considered in the House-Senate Conference.

DoD Policy on pending legislation

While DoD does not comment on pending legislation, they have opposed a Cold War Medal in the past, on the grounds that it would duplicate the Korean Service Medal, the Vietnam Service Medal, the National Defense Service Medal, and the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal. They further cite the Cold War Recognition Certificate as being available.

Our Comments:

Cost has also been cited as an objection in the past, but the experience with the KDSM and the certificate indicates that no more than 5% of those eligible would apply (i.e. 1.2 million), and that it could be made and distributed for no more than $5 per item. Thus we believe the cost to the Government of a Cold War Medal would amount to no more than $6 million.

“The Certificate”

Authorized by Secretary of Defense William Cohen in 1999, this rather bland document is available to anyone who served during the Cold War as a US Government employee. This includes temporary employees of the Postal Service during the Holiday season, and thus the potential number of eligible is very large – perhaps in excess of 50 million people. Nowhere on the “certificate of recognition” is the term military service or national defense mentioned. The Office of the Secretary of Defense estimates that just over a million certificates have been issued. This amounts to demand by just over 2% of potential eligibles. They estimate that the certificates cost about $5 each to produce and distribute – about the same as we estimate the Cold War Medal would cost the government.

The Certificate will sunset in 2008. According to DOD, the certificate program will end in 2008. This would free staff and cost resources to support award of a Cold War Medal.

Continuing Military Operations 1945-91.

The Korean war, Vietnam, and Grenada were limited wars within the Cold War period. Expeditions also took place in the cold war context (Quemoy-Matsu, Korea 1966-74, Berlin 1961-62) and also in humanitarian rescue missions (Congo 1964). In the larger context, our defense effort included troop deployments to check Soviet military threats, continuous nuclear-armed SAC B-52 missions to provide retaliatory capability in event of a Soviet attack, and reconnaissance of hostile territory and waters by air and sea. ICBM and Air Defense sites provided a deterrent against Soviet attack of the United States, and were kept on a high state of alert. Research and Development to keep our defenses and offensive capability able to cope with increasing threats supported the continuing global US/Allied military operation.

Cold War operations and deployments were to counter overt, covert, and continuing moves by communist powers to achieve military and political objectives, and to prevent or counter military operations against the west. It included defense against Soviet bloc attack of the US and its allies, counter-insurgency operations in Europe (e.g., Greece), threats to sovereignty and territorial integrity of our allies (e.g., Norway, Turkey, Taiwan), enforcing the armistice in Korea, defense of western Europe under NATO, forced removal of soviet missiles from Cuba, defense against communist insurgencies in central America, and continuing reconnaissance by air, sea, and land which involved hazard and vigilance. It underwent changes over time, and lasted for over 45 years.

In 1949, General of the Army Eisenhower recommended to President Truman that the US forces in Germany and Austria be reinforced by sending 4 additional divisions to Europe, to bring them to the strength of 6 full divisions, to meet the Soviet threat and make our commitment to NATO credible. Two regular Army divisions plus two National Guard divisions (the 28th and 43rd) called up in 1950 were sent to Germany. The US NATO forces protected western Europe for over 40 years, and kept the peace until the Berlin wall came down in 1990. When West Germany joined NATO in 1955, it had no army. The US, British, and French forces provided the shield while the F.R.G. rearmed and trained its new forces.

No headlines, but just honest and faithful service — peacekeepers who stayed combat ready and willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. NATO had 21 divisions facing 175 soviet and Warsaw Pact divisions in 1955. Our troops stayed on alert, with their basic load of ammunition ready for war. Those troops in the Fulda gap had no illusions about their role — they would buy time for a counterstrike if and when war began.

Korea was a hot war, which was stopped by a truce in 1953. Since then, fully armed patrols, reconnaissance flights, and ships have carried out missions along the coast. The threat from North Korea has continued. ASA troops have constantly listened to enemy command nets and intercepted messages. Air and missile units in South Korea have been armed with nuclear weapons, and stood ready to use them if so ordered. US patrols have been ambushed, and North Koreans infiltrated south for sabotage and subversion. US military personnel have been constantly engaged in the collection and analysis of intelligence from hostile regimes in Asia, and provided the essential support that has prevented full-scale resumption of hostilities in Korea.

Quemoy and Matsu in the Taiwan strait were flash points, and US personnel were essential to containing communist China there. Before escalation of the war in Vietnam, US forces provided training and logistics to countries such as Thailand and Laos, and advisory and humanitarian missions in South Vietnam. These missions were not always recognized, but they were essential to our policy in the region.

In the United States and Canada, our strategic defense called for vigilance and devotion to duty. There were no medals of recognition for the NORAD troops who not only had to be on guard against surprise attack, but also against mistakenly triggering a launch based on erroneous signals. Troops in the USA maintained security at such locations as Ft. Meade, Ft. Detrick, White Sands Proving Grounds, SAC bases, Rocky Flats, and at Area 51 in Nevada. Research and Development improved our ability to respond to attack by Soviet or other forces. Our atomic veterans participated in essential testing of nuclear battlefield weapons, which our national leaders defined as part of our overall arsenal of "conventional weapons" in the 1950s. In fact, early war plans for Vietnam by the JCS included nuclear weapons, and such weapons were deployed in Europe and Korea, as well as at sea.

The Cold War was a unique period in our history, and deserves a unique medal. Senator Phil Gramm (R-TX) called it the most significant victory since World War II. It did not often have the kinds of dramatic battles that make newspaper headlines. It was the day-in-day-out routine where a successful mission meant you returned safely to port after patrolling the coast of Communist China or North Korea, or landed safely after evading Soviet interceptors. President Kennedy termed it the "long twilight struggle, neither war nor peace." It called for dedication to duty, production of good intelligence, or manning a guard post along the border with East Germany through a harsh winter. Its casualties were less frequent, but real nonetheless.

But all Cold War soldiers, sailors, and airmen had very real missions. Some airmen lost their lives in shoot downs along the frontiers. The USS Thresher and USS Scorpion — submarines — went to dark and lonely graves in the sea, doing their duty. B-52s armed with nuclear weapons flew to their fail-safe points, ready to continue their missions and attack if not recalled. The USS Pueblo is an example of a mission gone wrong, when the North Koreans decided to strike. Many other such patrols went unacknowledged because they returned safely — but they faced the same hazards, daily, year-in-year- out. It's easy to dismiss this kind of service as "peacetime," but that misses the point. This was a different kind of service, a different kind of war, and it deserves recognition, not just a piece of paper but a tangible sign that can be worn and acknowledged. Our cold war veterans deserve nothing less.

The “Recognition Certificate” falls far short of the recognition such service merits. The certificate can be awarded to any government employee, whether they were flying a U-2 over Cuba or a civilian clerk in the GSA in Kansas City. A service medal, on the other hand, recognizes military service. Congress has recommended that a medal be authorized. The Department of Defense has never substituted a certificate for a service medal in the past — our brave service men and women deserve a medal for Cold War service.

We honor and appreciate those who serve today, all we ask is that our government honor the living who served during the dark days of the Cold War. It will cost something, but our government should never be cheap where honor is concerned.


I'd also like to point out that for a major part of the Cold War there was a Draft. Millions of men were pulled from their lives to serve their Country for two (2) years. A period of two years does NOT qualify for a Good Conduct Medal in any Service. Also, most of the "been-there-done-that" ribbons had not yet been created and when they were, they were NOT back-dated, so most of these Draftees, unless they were lucky enough to get a unit award, have NOTHING to show for their Service to our Country, and that is SO wrong.

If you're going to have medals like the GWOTSM, which you basically show up with a heartbeat, and you get it, what's the problem with a Cold War Medal? The Service is just as deserving of recognition as the GWOTSM's.

Besides the ACWVs there are several other VSO's that support the creation of a Cold War Medal:

The Cold War Veterans of America

The Europe Defense Veterans of America

and

The Korea Defense Veterans of America (see their standing Resolution #22)

Their are also several online petitions supporting Cold War Medals:

Official EDVA Cold War Service Medal Petition

Official EDVA Europe Defense Service Medal Petition

and

Official CWVA Cold War Victory Medal Petition

I think the struggle to create a Cold War Medal is a noble cause to recognize these forgotten Cold Warriors and that all Veterans and current Service personnel should support them, they deserve recognition for their Service.
 
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And this part of the discussion has "what" to do with subject?
 
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Why the need for a medal? I don't think it rates one....... Several that were in got a National Defense ribbon.. that should be sufficient. Personally, I don't think the Cold War certificate means much.... but, that is just my opinion.

Some of the criteria for it includes:
Any person who has been employed at least one day by the United States Government at any time during the Cold War era, September 2, 1945 through December 26, 1991, is eligible to receive the certificate (must prove that service to the country was faithful and honorable.).

Pretty general, huh? In other words you were in the military during that time frame.... Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


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Wray:

Not all got the NDSM. I enlisted in the Army in 1978 and was discharged in 1981 (out of the Reserves in 1984). No NDSM during this time period.

My whole tour was in West Germany in an area called the Fulda Gap, a valley that ran from the Czech border to the Rhine River.

If the balloon had ever gone up, the Soviets would have used the gap to race to the Rhine. Our job was to act as a speed bump to slow them down until reinforcements arrived from the States. Another alternative I read about was nuking the Gap. Can you say "cannon fodder"?

During my three years I received a number of letters of appreciation and commendation, and was once put in for an Army Commendation Medal (which became another letter). After all was said and done, on the day my discharge was being typed, my Good Conduct Medal was added to the discharge but never presented to me. Several months later, while in the Reserves, I obtained a DD-215 for my Basic Service and Overseas Service Ribbons. That's it.

A legitimate Cold War Medal (from our Government, not a medals company) would be a nice addition to my Army shaowbox.
 
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Jerry, I did not say everyone got the NDSM.. I said "Several".... big difference...

Did you Dad get a NDSM?

It sounds to me that you are looking more for the Medal for your Army shadow box than anything else..

As shuman14 and I have pointed out, this is not a military award... one day of government service as a janitor will get you one... Roll Eyes

I stand by my earlier post that this is a pretty meaningless award/certificate... Why not keep your shadow box filled with meaningful awards... remember, quality, not quantity...

Just my OPINION...

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Wray:

Regarding my father and the NDSM, I don't know.

It wasn't amongst his stuff that I got from my mother after he died. I did find an interesting document, a certificate naming him a Brevet 2LT in the IL Army NG, signed (in ink) by then IL Gov. Adlai Stevenson. It was given to him soon after HS; I can only assume it was for completion of JR ROTC at Lane Tech in Chicago, or something like that.

He was a Naval reservist at Glenview NAS from 1949 through 1957, which would have encompassed the Korean War. He was Airman who worked on aircraft engines. That's about all I know, he never talked about his Reserve time.
 
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As shuman14 and I have pointed out, this is not a military award... one day of government service as a janitor will get you one...


Wray,

I was pointing out the CERTIFICATE has little or no meaning, a Cold War Medal would be a very meaningful award.
 
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And this part of the discussion has "what" to do with subject?


Sorry, looks like your thread got hijacked.
 
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Back to my original statement, a local frame shop (I found mine at a mall) or Michael's.

The frame shop charged me $125.00; Michael's came to $75.00. Can't really distinguish them apart.

The trophy shop is the alternative.

Or try here: Coast Guard frames.
 
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Back to the question of the orig thread:

MC, if you are drilling or on actdu, those frames are all available through the stock system. Ask the YN/SKs for assistance in getting them. Most commands already have a storeroom full of such supplies. If your command is nearby to a GSA supply store, that is an excellent place to find them in various sizes and formats. Again, ask the YN/SKs to get you the forms to fill out to purchase them on their next GSA run..
 
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