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Basic Training |
A shipmate of mine claims that yes you do need 5 years of service to wear the insignia on your ODU, ( but you don't have to wait 5 years to wear it on your Trops ). This makes no sense to me. I asked to see it in black n white, but he can't show me.
http://www.uscg.mil/hq/cg3/cg3pcx/publications/comdtinst/1650.3.pdf |
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Basic Training |
There isn't a CI on this yet. It is in message form though. This new rule came out about 6 months ago when the new ODU rules came out. I'm sure you'll see it in the future CI changes.
In short, I have no idea why its 5 years on the ODU and not the trops. I would guess its a convenience issue. Its easier to put a pin on your trops than it is to get your ODU's altered all the time. Plus it sets a timeline precedent. When you see someone in ODU's that has the pin you know that he or she knows a little about whats going on as far as boat forces. Again, I have no idea, just my 2c Peace!!!! |
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Basic Training |
My understanding of the 5y for the ODU is the permanent pin. Having it sewn on your ODUs when you are not going to be able to wear it at your next unit just about ruins the shirt it is on. Where once you have the permanent pin you will wear it at you next unit and so on. It is the CG way of helping you to save that large uniform allowance for the things you really need. Well that sounds good to me anyway.
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Experienced Member |
That is correct - almost. There is no 5 year rule but there is a permanent / temp rule. Some insignia require 5 years for permanent (Coxn, Cutterman, BF, etc) - others require different things for permanent (certain number of quals and different time limit for shrimp fork, 400 hours for AMS wings) and finaly others have no temporary entitlement - like every set of wings other than AMS wings.
Only 'permanent' insignia, and of course only one of them, the most current one, are authorized on ODUs. (Which by the way as it has been stated before, is the same rule, one only, on the uniforms that the ODUs replaced) |
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Basic Training |
So I take it you can wear it on your trops without any wait?
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Experienced Member |
Well, you have to wait until it is authorized for temporary wear by your CO, and ONLY at that unit.
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Basic Training |
OK, It came up because we were going to a family funeral and a few guys were wearing it and other didn't wear it. That's what caused the confusion.
Thanks |
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Highly Experienced Member |
I find it funny there are so many insignias and yet people do not know how or when they can wear them.. Doesn't that give anyone a clue the Medals & Awards needs some help?
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Basic Training |
next question is why would you want to wear that stupid pin. i think they are coming out with a department head command pin next.
the only pin that gets respect in the coast guard is the permenent cutterman pin. heck, i am embarassed to admit that the boat forces pin was even issued to me. it could be worse. has anyone seen how rediculous the MST pin looks? |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Chris, people like lots of insignias and ribbons.. regardless of how they look or, if they actually earned them.... just like all those wearing the Kartina ribbon that had nothing to do with it...
Just about the same thing. Wray... |
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Basic Training |
Tell me if I'm doing the wrong thing then. I have 4 ODU tops. Two of them have the coxswain pin and two have the PSU pin. I earned the PSU pin after the coxswain pin. |
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I would think that if you looked it up in CIM1020.6E that your answer would be in a nice contrast of black and white. Besides Z gave you the answer already, go check it and get to fixing your ODU's.
I think that I have an attitude tonight |
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CG Forums Lead Moderator Something Wicked This Way Comes  |
I tend to disagree, there are a few others that earn just as much respect as the Cuttermans Pin. Try telling Master Chief Bradley his Surfmen Pin isnt respected and see the response you get. The Coxswain Pin as well. The fact that you fail to mention either of these kind of tells me you havent earned either one of them, and are probably not aware of whats involved with earning one. Not trying to make that comment a personal attack, but you dont earn those pins and then not feel they are respected. I earned four insignias in 10 years. Cutterman, Coxswain, MSO Pro Pin, and the Boat forces. I only purchased and ever wore two of them, Coxswain and Cutterman, and it wasnt because I wasnt proud of them, but it was because those were the two that really busted my *** to earn. I think a few of these other pins were authorized more for those who couldnt earn any others. For example, officers that were not prior enlisted cannot wear a coxswain pin, but they are authorized to wear the Boat forces pin. Most EPOs can qualify for the BFO pin as well. Up until the MSO pro pin was authroized, most MSO personnel didnt meet the criteria to qualify for any insignia. So while you might feel they look "stupid", I think you will find that MSO personnel wear it with pride because its better than what they could qualify for before, which was absolutly nothing. T |
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Master Chief, for once we are in 100% agreement.  |
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CG Forums Moderator Mom never liked you, you son of a...  |
Tony:
I earned my PSU pin before I earned my MS pin, yet my MS pin is on top. That's the way things work, yet I accept it. I did my "four years" (1986 to 2002) in the Marine Safety field and got my four qual codes for it. Yet, it seems some people have heartache over this. My PSU pin is grandfathered for training I received and deployments to Saudi and Haiti in '90/91 and '94. I accepted the MS pin as heartly as the PSU pin. |
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Highly Experienced Member |
Joe, glad to hear it... by the way, I like the picture of you and the "Mac", but what is all that on you hat ?? What pay grade do you claim while in the CG? Wray... |
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Surfman...handsdown - my respect...coxswain, cutterman, aircrewman. Don't need any of the others...how about the Passenger Pin? Wait, let's see; I was DCTT Training Team Member; Helicoptor Control Officer, AMIO Officer; Hurricane Officer, hell I bet we could make a badge for all of those! |
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Experienced Member |
Wray, shuman14 is a CG Auxiliarist, as well as being a member of the Army Reserve.
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Basic Training |
first off, i agree about the surfman pin. i know what goes intot he coxswain pin and although there is a bit of responsibility involved it is not that hard. heck, i used to train the coxswains at my first unit when i was a non rate. so to sum it up: cutterman, surfman good. coxswain and boat forces bad. mso one is indifferent. |
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Basic Training |
i want something for where that damn potato suit for three years of helo ops on the 210 i was on. and you forgot LEPO lol |
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