Hello. I am an active duty soldier. Currently held MOS is 19D. I am in the process of trying to BEAR into 35P specifically for Chinese. I had a few questions pertaining to the 35P (CM) language program and being at DLI. These are specifically.
-Is the army still using Chinese speaking 35P or at least still training them for the MOS?
I'm asking this question since I when I checked the cutoff scores for June (I am an E4) I noticed that in the 35P section the Chinese code was absent. I was assuming that there was a split in how 35P get promoted. There's the standard promotion score listed under 35P and another score that is tied to the language that is understrength in NCO's. Another reason I'm asking this is because I spoke to the 35P PDNCO and he said that the army may be eliminating Chinese as a language for 35P.
-Is is possible to be promoted from E4 to E5 while at DLI?
As an E4 promotion is obviously a concern for me. While not being able to be promoted while I am at DLI isn't going to deter me from reclassing (it's what I originally intended to enlist for) knowing that I could have the opportunity to make E5 while at DLI would be a plus.
I can't imagine why there would suddenly cease being a need for 35P (CM). Honestly it just wouldn't make sense. I think you are probably correct, there is a base 35P score and an independent, shortage language score. There are 35P in dozens of languages, not every one has its own individual cut off score.
Re: promotions -
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Are you talking about the 35P Branch Manager?...or just the 35P that is closest to your current unit? I seriously doubt we are talking about eliminating Chinese, at least not Chinese-Mandarin.
But good news, if they did eliminate Chinese as a language, you would get to go back to DLI and learn a new one!
As for the promotion points, chinese is listed as 35PCM. It's on there, I just looked.
Unless there is a special stipulation in the BEAR program, you are a 19D until you complete DLI and 35P school. I saw a few NCOs get promoted while I was at DLI, so it is possible to promote there.
There actually is an argument going the rounds (at pretty high levels in fact) for eliminating CM from the Army inventory and replacing actual CM Soldier billets with civilians.
The rationale seems to be that we don't anticipate fighting a ground war in China, and we need the Soldiers in other places and with other languages.
Thats what I heard which was why, though I realy want to learn Chinese I'd rather not get stuck in a school for years retraining because language I speak is eliminated especially if I can't get promoted while I'm at scho.ol
Being a 35P isn't only about your language. You will also be trained on technical equipment and be expected to operate it, possibly on a deployment to a country where your target language is not spoken. In which case your skill with your equipment becomes your mission.
As for promotions, if you make points as a 19D at DLI, you will get promoted. You will have to wait until after your AIT (which happens after DLI) before you will compete against other 35Ps for promotion.
That's the last bit I wanted to know. Thank you.
May I ask, where do you get your information from?
Experience. I did the same thing many moons ago. Also, you are not awarded a new MOS until you complete MOS training. Otherwise you are a 19D at DLI, so that's who you compete against. You can't be promoted as a 35P when you don't hold the MOS.
I am aware that I will be competing as a cavalry scout. I just wanted to be sure. Thank you.
Also, to clarify. Completing DLI doesn't award you the MOSQ. You will have to finish DLI then finish 35P school. If you can do DLI you can easily do 35P, but it's another 4 months down the road after the 62 weeks in Chinese.
Keep in mind as well that in a CAT IV language there will be a significant possibility that you will get rolled back to an earlier phase that could tack on anywhere from 6 months to starting completely over. You may even find yourself in a spot where you can't complete Chinese but they offer you an easier language.
My suggestion: Keep working on points for 19D throughout. Don't sacrifice language study time but put yourself as close to the top as possible. Correspondence Courses, secondary education points(You can get an associates from DLI while you are there if you do some of the pre-reqs at monterey peninsula college), PT, etc. So long as 19D isn't stuck in 798 hell, you should have a fair shot at it.
Worst case scenario, the odds are that once you complete MOSQ you'll be pretty competative and should promote quickly. It sucks having to wait as an E4 all that time, but you'll have gobs of TIS and you should probably go to E5 and E6 pretty quickly following MOSQ school once you meet the minimum TIG reqs.
Things may have changed but back in the day the graduation rate for Russian 35P's wasn't anywhere near 100%
Every language has attrition. DLAB is not a real indicator of language aptitude. I forget how many we lost from Arabic, but it was quite a few. I’ve seen people rock out of German and French before. So, you never know how people are going to do.
I'm talking about AIT, not DLI. If you can pass the language portion of the MOS you are golden, Goodfellow is just listening to DLI from a fuzzy radio station.
I am also "BEARing" in to 35P from 92F. I scored a 130 on the DLAB. I keep hearing different things about chosing a language. I have heard that you can't chose your language from a few people and that they chose it for you according to the needs of the army, is this true?
Actually, I was talking about the AIT as well. IIRC, artillery was a real nut cutter.
I actually would like to piggy-back and ask for further information. I have been told that those reclassing into it will be given a place-holder MOS. How does that work. I was told I would be a 35W until I complete all of the training. Does this void out my current MOS? If so, how does that work? I know normally your current MOS is kept and have been told that this is not the case, possibly due to the length of training. Regardless, even with the new promotion system, my points are still 798 and I will not be expecting to see SSG anytime soon.
And an additional question. I was just curious about when one may be sent to ALC. I never got to go for my current MOS due to not being a high priority (the seats are going to SFC's and SSG(P)'s and on down the line). It doesn't really matter to me, but I imagine I'd want to go eventually.
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