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What you need to do is take your personal shots at me and shove them!! I am an ultra-concervative Independent!! Screw both the Democrats and the Republicans. They've both run this country into the toilet from both ends of the spectrum. Palin is a light weight using her looks and "woe is me" sympathy-grabbing to spin herself into position for a run for the Presidency, but what does she really bring to the table - years of expertise at solving huge political problems? Military experiences at seeing the larger world through the grim eyes created by seeing the enemy up front? Indepth education in the history and political traditions of yester-year that made this country great? Legal schooling and training to deal with all the sophisticated problems of today's interstate and federal laws?? It does not matter what you think the "left wing" is doing if the "right wing" runs up a candidate with nothing between the ears but TV sound-byte slogans and hair spray... What are her qualifications for an executive office that will put her in charge of all our armed forces and the button that can launch our whole nuclear arsenal!!?? List them for me!! I've got 3 second to waste!! Come list them!! As bad as I dislike Obama being in the White House, at least he has had a very good education in the widest spectrum of understanding the world and this country. He has worked extensively in a city with a population larger than the population of Alaska, helping a wide variety of people living in all varieties of conditions, as a Senator, he saw the inner workings of our Federal Government and evidently was a fast study, since he now seems to understand very well how to make it operate in the way he feels it should - and he is getting enough cooperation from its branches to keep things moving... Your Republicans need to come up with a candidate that brings some expertise and credibility to the table - with some clear ideas in hand that are sound and workable, or they will get their azzes again kicked soundly in 2012. I'll wait for your list of Palin's actually political credentials - - - -  Wandering and Wondering |
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I was thinking too that it would be really good for Sara Palin to go law school -- maybe Harvard -- see how they "tick," be involved behind the scenes for awhile, and then get back into politics when her children are grown. Which would give her an added advantages to her already being "unconventional." Now GWG -- please don't bare your teeth at me as I'm only going to make some comments and questions...  Yes Obama was a community organizer in a huge city, but that wouldn't mean that he worked with all of them nor for the good of the whole city. Yes Obama was a senator. It was hashed and rehashed that he actually did not accomplish a whole bunch in that time. Knowing and doing are different. Palin was a governor and did have (more than Obama??) accomplishments in a shorter time, correct? As a quick study....remains to be seen. In charge of the military?  Wasn't this one of the reasons given not to vote for Obama at the time? Operating the system....well could we not attribute much of that in part to a democrat House and Senate? Clinton had a much harder time getting legislation passed, though Clinton was much smarter (IMHO) and had much more experience. I agree with your comment that conservatives need to "come up with a candidate that brings some expertise and credibility to the table - with some clear ideas in hand that are sound and workable." "They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of living When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me" - - Merle Haggard |
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Sarah Palin: "I'm a CELEBRITY! Get me out of here!"
IMO, she's committed political suicide. It's one thing to announce that she'll not run for a second term as governor. But to announce that she's not FINISHING what she was voted by her constituents to do is just plain weird. Real politicians don't cave mid-term. And she caved. I have a feeling that very soon we'll know the real reason why. |
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by gratefulmouse:
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I'd never bare my teeth at you, except in a smile - because you show class in your answer...a vanishing trait . . . Obama's credentials were shallow, but he has savvy and a calm, centered drive that goes right at things. I can give an nod of recognition to that... If Palin can't even hack a full term in a frontier state, how in the world does she expect to handle the most high-pressure, scrutinized position in the world?! Idiotic!! Kinda reminds me of a kid in school back in 1967 who ran off to join the Marines because he was "tired of being in school and having people tell him what to do!!" Yup, that's the kind of logic Palin and her admirers seem to be exhibiting! Wandering and Wondering |
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I just listened to Sarah Palin's attempt to explain why she was resigning. It did nothing to boost my confidence in her reasoning powers or her ability to organize her thoughts or anything else. She was like a magician fanning out a deck face down and saying, "Pick a card -- any card." Every card had a different excuse, one as good as another.
Obama has been ridiculed for reading from a teleprompter, and for good reason. No other politician has ever read a speech from a teleprompter. But Sarah Palin's rambling, bitter presentation resembled a schizophrenic's word salad. She could have used, well, not a teleprompter, but a dozen index cards anyway, each with a bullet point on it. "It's good for Alaska because One, Two, and Three." "It's good for me and my family because One, Two, and Three." And so on. Nobody can understand just why she's resigning, not even her supporters, possibly not even Sarah Palin. I think, though, that we can all agree that, whatever message her speech was supposed to convey, there is an "as-told-to" book in the works. My own prediction is that it's going to be very very angry at the media. After all, the media dug into the past of a previously unknown person who was very likely to become president of the United States. Shameless! And poking around in the private lives of her children == you know, the children she paraded around on stage with her and praised for their achievements? And -- and -- that -- that David LETTERMAN! Making a foolish joke that was forgotten two seconds after it was delivered. She raised it to an issue of national importance, as she should have -- that PREVERT, in whose presence I wouldn't allow my five-year-old girl to remain alone for two minutes. Or my BOY either, for that matter. He'd probably rape both of them. And, furthermore, I -- well -- I -- it's impossible to go on. I'm still too moved by the passing of Michael Jackson, the greatest man who ever lived. Now THERE would have been a good Vice President. Cripes, when are we going to grow up? |
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Are you sure? President Reagan  bush [with 2 of them]  John McCain  |
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Are you sure? I had to scratch my head too. Teleprompters are pretty well aceppted piece of equipment these days. So what. What difference does it make if the person is reading a speech off of a piece of paper or index cards or teleprompter. Unless it is a question and answer session they all do it. Lincoln just didn't wing the Gettysburg address. He collected his thoughts and wrote it down. |
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Reagan evidently had very good eyesight to read that on that little tv! Does that picture of Bush show a teleprompter? There are three pieces of equipment around him, but if it were a teleprompter, why would it be behind him? "They love our milk and honey but they preach about some other way of living When you’re running down my country, Hoss you’re walking on the fighting side of me" - - Merle Haggard |
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I was going to say because he spoke out of his....but I won't |
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About the only way she could become a power would be to take up a "Talk Show" opposite of Oprah and give a clear voice to some other thing than liberal anesthesia - -
That - she might just possibly do and be good at - - Wandering and Wondering |
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I was kidding when I said that "no other politician has ever read a speech from a teleprompter."
There have been multiple snotty remarks made about Obama's using a teleprompter -- so many that it appears this particular insane critique must have originated with a single source, probably one of Rush Limbaugh's remarks or one of the analytic geniuses on Fox News. Of course everyone reads prepared speeches from a teleprompter, if not from offscreen cue cards. |
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she wasnt running for the office of the president...obama was...lincoln had no formal education...he read his way to the oval office.. |
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7 day suspension by Dave_M July 6, 2009 |
who cares abt teleprompters...everyone uses them...nerves ...helps to remember what you want to say...sarah palin might be suing someone because of something that was done..I wonder where our morality has gone..I think she thought of her family first which is what people should do..if her husband ran for vp..and they had a handicapped baby..would they make fun of his handicapped son...its cruel and sick...really sick..where is the heart of america...i do think she needs to wait and get a little more education and let her kids grow up ...she is too good to waste..she has beliefs that are good..and is not afraid to speak out..she left mid finishing up..but..I feel there was a lot to it..something not right..i will be watching to find out what it is...so who do you think should run for the republican party this next term...we do need to vote next yr...on congress or senators etc...and we need to assist on the census..we need to not let acorn take it over...census taking is important..i do my genealogy from it..
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wiki on Lincoln: "Lincoln began his political career in 1832 at age 23 with an unsuccessful campaign for the Illinois General Assembly as a member of the Whig Party. The centerpiece of his platform was the undertaking of navigational improvements on the Sangamon River. Later that year he served as a captain in a company of the Illinois militia during the Black Hawk War, although he never saw combat. In 1834, he won an election to the state legislature and, after coming across the Commentaries on the Laws of England, began to teach himself law. Admitted to the bar in 1837, he moved to Springfield, Illinois that same year and began to practice law with John T. Stuart. With a reputation as a formidable adversary during cross-examinations and in his closing arguments, Lincoln became an able and successful lawyer.[15] In 1841 Lincoln entered the law practice with William Herndon, a fellow Whig. He served four successive terms in the Illinois House of Representatives as a representative from Sangamon County, and became a leader of the Illinois Whig party. In 1837 he made his first protest against slavery in the Illinois House, stating that the institution was "founded on both injustice and bad policy."[16] Illinois politics Lincoln in 1846 or 1847 In 1846 Lincoln was elected to one term in the U.S. House of Representatives. A staunch Whig, Lincoln often referred to party leader Henry Clay as his political idol. As a freshman House member, Lincoln was not a particularly powerful or influential figure in Congress. He used his office as an opportunity to speak out against the war with Mexico, which he attributed to President Polk's desire for "military glory — that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood." Lincoln's most famous stand against Polk was in his Spot Resolutions: The war had begun with a violent confrontation on disputed territory (claimed by both Mexico and Texas), but Polk had insisted that Mexican soldiers had "invaded our territory shed the blood of our fellow-citizens on our own soil".[17] Lincoln demanded that Polk show Congress the exact spot on which blood had been shed, and proof that that spot was on American soil. Congress never enacted the resolution or even debated it, and its introduction resulted in a loss of political support for Lincoln in his district; one Illinois newspaper derisively nicknamed him "spotty Lincoln." [18] Lincoln was a key early supporter of Zachary Taylor's candidacy for the 1848 presidential election. When Lincoln's term ended, the incoming Taylor administration offered him the governorship of remote Oregon Territory. Acceptance would end his career in the fast-growing state of Illinois, so he declined. Returning instead to Springfield, Illinois, he turned most of his energies to making a living at the bar, which involved extensive travel on horseback from county to county. It was during this stage of his life, however, that Lincoln gave one of the most pivotal speeches[19] of his life - speaking not as a politician, but as a private citizen. Opposed to the 1854 Kansas-Nebraska Act, Lincoln spoke to a crowd in Peoria, Illinois, on October 16, 1854, outlining the moral, political, and economic arguments against slavery[20] that he would continue to uphold throughout his career. This speech marked his re-entry into public life. Prairie lawyer By the mid-1850s, Lincoln faced competing transportation interests — both the river barges and the railroads. Originally, Lincoln had favored riverboat interests. In 1849, he had received a patent for a "device to buoy vessels over shoals." Lincoln's goal had been to lessen the draft of a river craft by pushing horizontal floats into the water alongside the hull. The floats would have served as temporary ballast tanks.[21] [22] The concept was never commercialized. Lincoln was the only President of the United States to hold a patent. As the 1850s began, Lincoln moved closer towards the railroad industry. In 1851, he represented the Alton & Sangamon Railroad in a dispute with one of its shareholders, James A. Barret. Barret had refused to pay the balance on his pledge to that corporation on the grounds that it had changed its originally planned route. Lincoln argued that as a matter of law a corporation is not bound by its original charter when that charter can be amended in the public interest, that the newer proposed Alton & Sangamon route was superior and less expensive, and that accordingly the corporation had a right to sue Mr. Barret for his delinquent payment. He won this case, and the decision by the Illinois Supreme Court was eventually cited by several other courts throughout the United States. Lincoln's most notable criminal trial came in 1858 when he defended William "Duff" Armstrong, who was on trial for the murder of James Preston Metzker. The case is famous for Lincoln's use of judicial notice, a rare tactic at that time, to show an eyewitness had lied on the stand. After the witness testified to having seen the crime in the moonlight, Lincoln produced a Farmers' Almanac to show that the moon on that date was at such a low angle it could not have produced enough illumination to see anything clearly. Based upon this evidence, Armstrong was acquitted. Republican politics 1854–1860 Lincoln returned to politics in response to the Kansas-Nebraska Act (1854), which expressly repealed the limits on slavery's extent as established by the Missouri Compromise (1820). Illinois Democrat Stephen A. Douglas, the most powerful man in the Senate, proposed popular sovereignty as the solution to the slavery impasse, and incorporated it into the Kansas–Nebraska Act. Douglas argued that in a democracy the people should have the right to decide whether or not to allow slavery in their territory, rather than have such a decision imposed on them by the national Congress.[23] In the October 16, 1854, "Peoria Speech",[24] Lincoln first stood out among the other free soil orators of the day:[25] [The Act has a] declared indifference, but as I must think, covert real zeal for the spread of slavery, I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world — enables the enemies of free institutions, with plausibility, to taunt us as hypocrites — causes the real friends of freedom to doubt our sincerity, and especially because it forces so many really good men amongst ourselves into an open war with the very fundamental principles of civil liberty — criticizing the Declaration of Independence, and insisting that there is no right principle of action but self-interest.[26] Drawing on remnants of the old Whig party, and on disenchanted Free Soil, Liberty, and Democratic party members, he was instrumental in forging the shape of the new Republican Party. In a stirring campaign, the Republicans carried Illinois in 1854 and elected a senator. Lincoln was the obvious choice, but to keep the new party balanced, he allowed the election to go to an ex-Democrat Lyman Trumbull. At the Republican convention in 1856, Lincoln placed second in the contest to become the party's candidate for Vice-President. In 1857-58, Douglas broke with President Buchanan, leading to a fight for control of the Democratic Party. Some eastern Republicans even favored the reelection of Douglas in 1858, since he had led the opposition to the Lecompton Constitution, which would have admitted Kansas as a slave state. Accepting the Republican nomination for Senate in 1858, Lincoln delivered his famous speech: "'A house divided against itself cannot stand.'(Mark 3:25) I believe this government cannot endure permanently half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union to be dissolved — I do not expect the house to fall — but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing, or all the other."[27] The speech created an evocative image of the danger of disunion caused by the slavery debate, and rallied Republicans across the north. Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858 Main article: Lincoln-Douglas debates of 1858 The 1858 campaign featured the Lincoln-Douglas debates, a famous contest on slavery. Lincoln warned that "The Slave Power" was threatening the values of republicanism, while Stephen A. Douglas emphasized the supremacy of democracy, as set forth in his Freeport Doctrine, which said that local settlers should be free to choose whether to allow slavery or not and could overrule judicial rulings. Though the Republican legislative candidates won more popular votes, the Democrats won more seats, and the legislature reelected Douglas to the Senate. Nevertheless, Lincoln's speeches on the issue transformed him into a national political star. New York party leaders invited him to give a speech at Cooper Union in February 1860 to an elite audience that was startled by the poorly dressed, ugly man from the West. He stunned the audience with the most brilliant political speech they had ever heard. Lincoln was emerging as the intellectual leader of the Republican party, and its best speaker.[28] 1860 Presidential election "The Rail Candidate" - Lincoln's 1860 candidacy is held up by the slavery issue (slave on left) and party organization (New York Tribune editor Horace Greeley) on right. Main article: United States presidential election, 1860 Lincoln was chosen as the Republican candidate for the 1860 election for several reasons. His expressed views on slavery were seen as more moderate than those of rivals William H. Seward and Salmon P. Chase. His "Western" origins also appealed to the newer states: other contenders, especially those with more governmental experience, had acquired enemies within the party and were weak in the critical western states, while Lincoln was perceived as a moderate who could win the West. Most Republicans agreed with Lincoln that the North was the aggrieved party as the Slave Power tightened its grasp on the national government. Throughout the 1850s he denied that there would ever be a civil war, and his supporters repeatedly rejected claims that his election would incite secession.[29][Need quotation on talk to verify] On May 9-10, 1860, the Illinois Republican State Convention was held in Decatur. At this convention, Lincoln received his first endorsement to run for the presidency. Lincoln did not campaign on the road. Despite this, he had gained the majority of the popular vote due to the work of the local Republican Party offices throughout the north. They produced tons of campaign posters and leaflets, and thousands of newspaper editorials. There were thousands of Republican speakers who focused first on the party platform, and second on Lincoln's life story, making an emphasis on his childhood poverty. The goal was to emphasize the superior power of "free labor," whereby a common farm boy could work his way to the top by his own efforts. In the South, Lincoln did not appear on a majority of the ballots come the time of the election. 1860 presidential election results On November 6, 1860, Lincoln was elected as the 16th President of the United States, beating Democrat Stephen A. Douglas, John C. Breckinridge of the Southern Democrats, and John Bell of the new Constitutional Union Party. He was the first Republican president, winning entirely on the strength of his support in the North: he was not even on the ballot in nine states in the South, and won only 2 of 996 counties in all of the Southern states. There were fusion tickets in some states, but even if his opponents had combined in every state, Lincoln had a majority vote in all but two of the states in which he won the electoral votes and would still have won the electoral college and the election. Lincoln was the first U. S. President elected from Illinois." That is over twenty years of military experience, practicing law, participating in local state politics, and being a member of Federal Politics - - Palin is definitely NO self-educated, hard-driving Lincoln! Wandering and Wondering |
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I just came into Forums & see Palin is the lead subject of General Discussion, Point/Counter-Point & In The News.
Some folks around here would be bored to tears without her around. |
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Well, its that or Jackson or MacNamara or Obama - Maybe you can start a thread on someone . . .
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SHE IS SUCH A THORN IN THE LIBERAL'S SIDE. I HOPE SHE GOES ON FOREVER!
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam possit materiari? |
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[...300 AMENDMENTS ATTACHED TO THIS BILL WE DIDNT WANT PASSED..AND IT WAS DONE AT 3AM IN THE MORNING AND THE STUPID REPUBS IN CONGRESS...DIDNT READ IT..THEY DID NOTHING BUT VOTE LIKE ROBOTS..GOING ALONG WTH THE STATUS QUO....WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE SWEEP OUT THE OLD COMPLACENT BUNCH THAT IS THERE...ITS TIME...[/QUOTE]
============================================= I can't believe after saying what you said about the 3 AM Dems added 300 amendments and passed a bill that the Republicans could not stop if they wanted to because they are out numbered by Dems. First not even the Dems got to read the 1200 added pages and they stupidly voted to pass it without knowing what it said. Oh well thats what Dems do blindly follow the leader. ( Pelosi ) |
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