've hear alot of stuff about this in the navy , people told me that Officer at 01, 02, 03, can make people who has the ranks E1.E2,E3,E4,E5,E6 life miserable, Yell at you , and treat you like crap and there nothing the lower enlist ranks can do .
However there is something special about E7,E8,E9. isn't it
I mean everybody Fears these junior officers but why do Officers fear Chief petty Officers?
SOme guy told me he was a Chief petty officer and some O2 guy came and was talking **** to the lower enlist guys and they couldn't do anything about it because he out rank them , but when the O2 tryed that to a E7 He lost alot of power and hes career was Screwed up .
Another story , A O1 was telling this group of E3, E4 guys off making them feel like crap then a E8 and E9 came in the area and warned the O1 , the O1 told them off and that he was a higher ranks then them and walked off. 2 day later the O1 was crying because he got screwed and the highest rank guys was yelling at him ( Admirals) and he lost a nice position .
Can this Really Happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...
A wise officer NEVER pizzes off his senior NCO's. They are in positions which can wreck his career.
For instance, an Army Company Commander who ticks off his 1SGT and Supply SGT (Mess SGT used to be on this list) is doomed to failure. His unit will fail in just about every measurement of success and his career will be truncated because of it.
Still, You ain't never told a lie! I saw our CSM(E-9) take our C.O. off from the people(the professional way)and made her wish she had died as a child for for ripping her Top in front of his troops. She just made it through her 18months in command. I'll take bets she didnot get a good OER.
As an enlisted person goes up the ladder of experience he/she learns to respect(most)and work with all younger Officers. It is the good NCO's that make the good Officers by teaching them the finer points of what the real military is like. If they do a good job of it they have the Officers respect.
LOL wow . I bet these Officer think when they come in the military they are going to make the lower rank guys life miserable.
LOL most Young Officer want to yell at people because they do it in JROTC in school." I can't wait until i become a officer , im going to yell at people so much ".
Originally posted by FoxVV: LOL wow . I bet these Officer think when they come in the military they are going to make the lower rank guys life miserable.
LOL most Young Officer want to yell at people because they do it in JROTC in school." I can't wait until i become a officer , im going to yell at people so much ".
What you're describing is the arrogance of rank and it does affect a lot of people, including NCO's when they first step up to that rank. But, an "attitude adjustment" comes for most at some point.
I'm reminded of something I told a class of LT's once. First I cautioned them about that very thing, then pointed out the forgotten fact that they may have to go to war with the very enlisted folks whom they've abused. Then reminded them that in the field, EVERYONE is carrying an automatic weapon.
Originally posted by FoxVV: LOL wow . I bet these Officer think when they come in the military they are going to make the lower rank guys life miserable.
LOL most Young Officer want to yell at people because they do it in JROTC in school." I can't wait until i become a officer , im going to yell at people so much ".
I would think that someone coming into the military as a young officer would look forward to serving their country and "being the best that they can be", not soley to make the enlisted men's lives miserable. Why worry about such things?
I went to college back in the end of Nam and a lot of vets were coming into school. I friend of mine said they had a way of modifing 2lt's "John Wayneness" They had a disarmed hand gernade and they would throw it into the young eager beaver's hooch. The very smart ones got the subtle hint.
I don't know about the Navy, but the hundreds CG JO's I have working experience with in eleven years of service have never, never mistreated a non-rate or junior petty officer. And, not all Chiefs are walking King Neptunes. With current critical rate vacancies, sailors can be promoted to E-6 pretty fast. It is not uncommon for O-2/3's to be close in age with E-7's. The stereotypical crusty Chief with a sleeve full of hash marks breaking in a naive 21 yr ENS are bygone images of old war movies.
A Chiefs job, is to not only take care of his troops, it is to train junior officers. I've had to take a few aside and explain how that isn't really teh way to do things.
I've been in both worlds across two services. I learned a couple of things: Senior NCOs are closer to the problem and the people. Work through them and let them work it/them. Micro-management is a death trap for junior officers. The 'Officer World' is too loaded with eyewash and politics. Given a choice, I preferred being an NCO, but I think my brain (what little there is of it) was better wired for that.
To me, E-8 and above in any service carries the same clout as O-4...
A lot of good points posted here. I'm biased a bit because of my 22 years in the Navy. I arrived with some longevity since my father was a retired Army Reserve Colonel so making the transition to military life wasn't hard.
The Navy is unique in the respect that when an individual is selected for E-7, he/she are educated to the traditions along with what will be expected of them in their new rank. It's the only service that does this. Belive me it works too. Not only does one learn leadership but learns how to earn it as well.
I agree with you RBruce that the stereotypical crusty Chief with the sleeve full of hash marks are of bygone days, but I disagree that they are not breaking in naive 21 year old Ensigns! They still are and will always do that when necessary.
I also learned that in the Navy, there is a distinct difference between an E-7; E-8 and E-9. The difference is when they are actually Chief's, Senior Chief's and Master Chief's. I WAS A SENIOR CHIEF!
I recall a friend that was selected as a Chief Master Sargeant in the Air Guard. I ticked him off a bit when I told him that in the Navy, I was called a Chief at the E-7 pay grade. He had to wait till E-9 to be called a Chief! He laughed then threw me out of his office in a friendly sort of way.
BTW, the best time I've had since I retired was pinning MSGT chevrons on my Marine son's uniform earlier this year.
FoxVV. The NCO ranks of all the services can have a direct influence on the careers of both the folks that work for them and the Officers they work for.
I remeber one time when we were building a road and it was ready for the asphalt paving to be put down when it started raining. It rained all day and sometime during the nite it stopped . The next day our road had a layer of mud on top. Well the Lt. said today we pave. I told him that it was impossible the base was too wet it was like a sea of mud a couple inches deep. He said the Hot Asphalt would take care of that . I told him it wouldn't work give it a couple days. He didn't listen.. End result was almost a 1,000 tons of asphalt was ruined and had to be replaced a week later after the road bed had dried out and re-worked. I didn't say " I TOLD YOU SO " But then I didn't have to.
