Well from his posts it proves one thing..They did'nt learn from our mistakes so there gonna do it all over again..so sad.

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There should be a hunting permit for tracking down and shooting drug pushers and addicts, just like there is for shooting varmints. If there was, I'd make it a full time hobby and shoot all the bastards. Drug abusers are a cancer on society. 80-90% of crime can be traced back to drugs. Most gangs use drug pushing and car theft (for sell to buy drugs marketable drugs) to support their existance - -

Yeah cause a whole bunch of half blind,deaf old guy's huntin round th street's ain't gonna be a health hazzard. Man did someone wake up on th whiny side or what? What's th matter did ya drink a fifth last nite, and yer hung over? And he's an informed teacher???

With my my arthritis, both sides of the bed are the wrong side - -

Over the past 30 years of teaching high school, I have seen so many lives wrecked/ended because of drugs that I have absolutely no tolerance for imbeciles who rattle the line that "I'm only hurting myself. It's nobody else's business. I should be free to do as I want - -!"

Society foots the bill for every mistake these idiots make in lives, property, and taxpayer's money. Yet they want sympathy, programs, medical help, etc etc etc once they have got their lives so out of control that they can't do anything about it. My opinion? Provide each with one tax-funded overdose

Too funny ZZZZZZZZZZZ,But a health Hazard to whom,I never miss my intended target..ever

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Originally posted by joshuacarnes:
More People Die From Prescription Drugs Than All Illegal Drugs Combined

Not All Drug Deaths Caused By Illegal Drugs

Alcohol And Cigarettes Kill Over 30 Times The Number Of People Killed From Illicit Drugs

So what's your point? How would making heroine or cocaine legal solve any of this?? DUH!!!

At best, you have an argument here for legal/illegal drug use as population control - elimination of the idiots, which would be okay, if they'd just kill themselves and not hurt anyone else in the process. I'm definitely ALL FOR THAT!!!

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
Over the past 30 years of teaching high school, I have seen so many lives wrecked/ended because of drugs that I have absolutely no tolerance for imbeciles who rattle the line that "I'm only hurting myself. It's nobody else's business. I should be free to do as I want - -!"

Then surely, at some point you had to have encountered lives equally ruined by alcoholism as well, right?

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Society foots the bill for every mistake these idiots make in lives, property, and taxpayer's money. Yet they want sympathy, programs, medical help, etc etc etc once they have got their lives so out of control that they can't do anything about it.

I never said we had to be sympathetic towards those who choose to harm themselves... That's what personal responsibility is for. If someone assumes the responsibility of using alcohol or drugs - Then they're responsible for everything they bring upon themselves.

This is no different than people who choose poor eating habits and lazy lifestyles - Who subsequently become morbidly obese and ask for the same tax-funded assistance to help them undo what they've done to themselves.

You reap what you sow... And as responsible Americans, we should be able to "sow" freely.

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
So what's your point? How would making heroine or cocaine legal solve any of this?? DUH!!!

Nothing will 'solve' any of that - It simply shows the gross hypocrisy that comes with drug prohibition.

The term "hypocrisy" assumes that people behind the laws do not have a sincere desire to rid society of ills that might destroy it. That is not true. The problem comes from those who defy the laws or refuse to allow laws and regulations which will keep poisons out of society. It also comes from people, fostered by spokesmen such as yourself, that got around laws via smuggling and prescription abuse, to get rich through the illegal trafficking of legal/illegal drugs to whatever group of victims they can ensnare.

The real hypocrites are people who tear down every attempt society makes to protect people from poisonous drugs, just so they can indulge themselves in their self-destructive activities.

If ya want to commit suicide - why drag it out over the years, causing pain and injury the whole way along - - As Nike says, "JUST DO IT!"

Well... It seems to me as though the times have changed - Yet the principles remain the same.

Prohibition made alcohol illegal - But somehow didn't stop people from wanting their alcohol. So did they simply stop drinking? Afraid not. It simply placed control of a valuable commodity in the hands of ruthless gangsters - And countless people were mowed down in turf wars and inter-gang disputes.

So, everyone who wanted to drink, drank (Despite it's illegality).

Likewise today, everyone who wants to use drugs is most likely already using them. The fact that the drugs are illegal does not make people want to clean up their lives - It simply forces them to acquire their drugs through alternative means.

So the cycle of giving the gangsters more power, hence fueling more turf wars and violence, continues.

Simply saying "You can't do that" will not change anyone's mind. It was proven with alcohol prohibition - And it continues to be proven daily with drug prohibition.

Just calling it like it is... Not what I imagine it to be.

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Originally posted by joshuacarnes:
Well... It seems to me as though the times have changed - Yet the principles remain the same.

Prohibition made alcohol illegal - But

So, everyone who wanted to drink, drank (Despite it's illegality).

Likewise today, everyone who wants to use drugs is most likely already using them. The fact that the drugs are illegal does not make people want to clean up their lives - It simply forces them to acquire their drugs through alternative means.

Everyone?, or is it a subtle selling job, via commiewood/hollywood movie promotion and powerful, big money attacks on lawmakers to ensure and environment where multi-million dollar drug cartels can get rich poisoning our society?

You may shake your head at such a theory, but during the Reagan era, I did a lot of secret drug interdiction missions. Such missions were ended by Clinton. Can't say much about the missions themselves, but I'll tell you this -

One night, while on scope, I watched a drug plane coming from South America fly right over the center of Cuba. While in Cuban airspace, two Migs came up and flew escort for the plane until it entered Bahamian airspace - Yet Castro was claiming he was NOT allowing cartels to use his airspace! How do you think Castro was keeping his economy afloat once Russia quit footing the bill - to this day? Keeping America addicted to drugs in a MAJOR AGENDA of political forces south of here. It is part of "Reconquista" and your attitude plays right into their game.

"Clear and Present Danger" was no joke, pal.

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Originally posted by joshuacarnes:
So... Why is it that you guys were allowed to learn for yourselves that drugs were harmful - But don't want to offer anyone else the same opportunity?

Are you somehow "more adult" than other people?

If they legalized marijuana tomorrow (Hell, if they legalized ALL drugs tomorrow), nothing in my personal life would change whatsoever (Since we seem to be using personal observations as reasoning here). If I WANTED to do drugs - I'd already be doing them (As it is quite easy to obtain drugs despite their illegality). I don't do drugs now - NOT because they're illegal (I speed on the Turnpike constantly, and that's illegal) - But because I simply do not want to do them. I choose to live a healthy, active lifestyle - And I simply don't feel the need for drugs.

However, I still maintain my position of believing it's total bullshit to tell people what they can or can't put in their own bodies - As long as they're not harming anyone else... It just doesn't seem like something that a nation which prides itself on its freedoms would do.

And then there are those pesky 400,000+ annual deaths from perfectly legal (and perfectly taxed) tobacco products which we have no problem with. Deaths from drugs... I thought that's what we were trying to avoid? There is no set standard - And I just have a serious problem with that.

I teach my kids a simple saying,"A wise man learns from his mistakes, a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others".

Am I more adult than everyone else, not necessarily. Am I more adult now than I was when I was making these mistakes? Definitely. I have lived and learned.

Passing on wisdom and knowledge to younger generations has been a part of human society for as long as we, as humans, have had the ability to communicate with each other. It's not often though that the younger generation really takes the information freely and learns from it.

You brought up a great point Mr. Carnes. Why is it some peole learned for themselves that drugs are harmful, but don't want anyone else to have the same opportunity?

I respect your thoughts and opinions, but the key point there is WE LEARNED that drugs are HARMFUL! Unfortunately, too many people learn the hard way. 'MrsSgtSuperGrunts' post earlier in this thread is the type of experience I am referring to. To which I am referring? (Can't end in a preposition)

If we learned from our mistakes, how adult would we be if we simply allowed younger generations to make the same mistakes without trying to warn them?

I disagree with your point about drug users only harming themselves.

When a teen or young adult uses, it can, and often does, affect his family. It impacts his ability to reach his fullest potential in life if it affects his learning in school. It can pull him away from friends with high aspirations and positive goals and place him with a group with little or no life goals.

I know not always, maybe not even usually, but how many 'lost' youth would be acceptable?

Who pays the bills for rehab when an unemployed and uninsured user seeks to clean up his act or overdoses?

How many innocent people are victimized by impaired drivers? Yes alcohol is just as much, if not more of a problem, and we as a society need to re-evaluate the issue of impaired driving.

How can we as a society tell people what they can't put in their bodies when we are a nation of freedoms? I think our founding fathers were looking at basic human rights when they framed our Constitution. Freedom from oppression, etc. I'm not sure I can grasp the concept that using dangerous drugs should share the same protection as freedom of speech or freedom of religion.

You bring up a good point that tobacco caused so many deaths. In a weird way, I'm almost glad that you have a problem with the issue. People with problems typically seek solutions. I wish fewer people smoked. I wish my uncle had never smoked, maybe he would not have died from cancer.

You said you don't do drugs because you know they are unhealthy, not because they are illegal. You made a moral choice. People who have not had those morals instilled may choose not to use drugs because they are illegal. If drugs were legal, how could people who have never been taught personal responsibilty and a sense of morality be convinced to abstain or be deterred from using? They need people like us, both you and I, who know that drugs can ruin their lives from a health standpoint, not just a criminal standpoint, to guide them into a healthy productive adulthood.

That was probably most well thought, honest response I've gotten so far on Mil.com...

I still maintain my ideals - But you brought up a lot of great points. Thanks.