Here is your plane ticket to those other countries, enjoy. And it is one way only. Bye.

jkeller, thats not a productive solution to the real issue at hand. i am doing what i should as an american and that is discussing a consensus Freely. You on the other hand are telling me to leave my home and resorting to sarcasim because you lack anything with substance to say.

Pertaining to the armed services, they represent the nation as a whole and thus have no_right to a have enforce a biased culture or even more fundementaly flawed, supress the cognitive freedoms of a peacefull individual.

Fact is cannabis use is proven not to be cause of poor moral fiber in many situations. The reason this isn't more common knowlege is due to those who ignorantly opose, fear consequnce, or have been told a lie.

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Originally posted by 16012052:
jkeller, thats not a productive solution to the real issue at hand. i am doing what i should as an american and that is discussing a consensus Freely. You on the other hand are telling me to leave my home and resorting to sarcasim because you lack anything with substance to say.

Funny thing bout some of you people from America who watch other more liberal countries,is you only see what you want. The problem's that stem from the residue of the drug's are the problem. Discussion =good/discussion with half fact's =not so good Plain and simple,a world with less drug's on th street = better world.

No a world with less outlawed drugs on the street is not a better world, it is a more enforced world and some will still suffer (maybe a father, or someone you love). Theres a better way and really if cannabis was legalized and drug education by parents existed like it should then jails would be much more empty, taxes would drop, freedoms would rise(home of the free) and capitalists(the economy) could even safely bring some bread home. Sounds like a better world than your proposal

p.s. Ideals are what this country was founded on and what made America great long ago.

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Originally posted by 16012052:
No a world with less outlawed drugs on the street is not a better world, it is a more enforced world and some will still suffer (maybe a father, or someone you love). Theres a better way and really if cannabis was legalized and drug education by parents existed like it should then jails would be much more empty, taxes would drop, freedoms would rise(home of the free) and capitalists(the economy) could even safely bring some bread home. Sounds like a better world than your proposal

p.s. Ideals are what this country was founded on and what made America great long ago.

As an advocate of medicinal weed, even I am not stoned enough to believe widespread legalization is th answer. BTW Ideal's made th country great, not smokin dope.

Spark another spliff and go back to yer cheeto's, I'm goin to bed

Once i woke up and when i reached the kitchen and began to pour myself a bowl of cereal i realized how last night was over but the knowlege of my connectedness to everything was very apparent.

More on the same page than you think, never underestimate floating in a not-Hot bathtub. I've haven't came accross a simple meditation technique that worked so well. Not just for beginning meditation either; you can really decrease your nerves to a point that you see a clearer picture of the world and you, some say it is one .

j/k

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Originally posted by PBACanuck:

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Originally posted by 16012052:
No a world with less outlawed drugs on the street is not a better world, it is a more enforced world and some will still suffer (maybe a father, or someone you love). Theres a better way and really if cannabis was legalized and drug education by parents existed like it should then jails would be much more empty, taxes would drop, freedoms would rise(home of the free) and capitalists(the economy) could even safely bring some bread home. Sounds like a better world than your proposal

p.s. Ideals are what this country was founded on and what made America great long ago.

As an advocate of medicinal weed, even I am not stoned enough to believe widespread legalization is th answer. BTW Ideal's made th country great, not smokin dope.

Apparently you are not familiar with what George Washington grew on Mount Vernon.

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Originally posted by mrssgtsupergrunt:
o.k., but why legalize more things that could be addicting? Why not try to ban alcohol or cigs if you feel that strongly about it, why try to make more legal?

I like my booze.
Banning alchohol will not work. We know this from prohibition. And I do not think that it is any of the government's buisness what I do with my body (unless I work for the government).
But I would prefer banning everything to the current method of deterimining legality.

You can still never fully use the "It's my body" defense, because that statement alone advocates the legalization of any and all substances. That would be a nightmare set loose on society.

The simple fact that no one has ever been known to OD on weed is not much of an argument in itself. That is a one dimensional argument. Thats like looking at one little square, one one side of a Rubik's Cube. I can OD on baby Tylenol if I am really dedicated to the idea. Not to mention that most people that die from alcohol, do not die from alcohol poisoning, they make a poor decision like getting behind the wheel of the car after the fact (which I promise you would be just as big a problem with legalized weed). So lets not pretend like their is an epidemic of people just falling over dead from drinking.

Society is still not ready for legalized weed. I say we should have a nationwide vote to determine the legalization of it. I predict it would be defeated. And then, no one could argue that the government was being to much of a 'big brother'.

What do you mean society is not ready?
Weed has only been illegal since the late 60's. It was originally made illegal on solely 'moral' reasons, very similar to the temperance movement. So far the only societal justification is that it is a 'gateway' drug.

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Originally posted by thorin001:
What do you mean society is not ready?
Weed has only been illegal since the late 60's. It was originally made illegal on solely 'moral' reasons, very similar to the temperance movement. So far the only societal justification is that it is a 'gateway' drug.

Again, I say put it to a vote with the American people. Then, no one has any excuses one way or the other.

Weed in the late '60's is probably nothing like the weed today. Thats when you start talking about the types such as BC Bud etc. That would be like comparing the steroids in Arnolds day, to the super serums these guys are pumping in their veins today.

Either way, I'm not saying you are wrong and I am right. I am simply saying to have everyone vote on it. Then we would all truly know whether or not society felt itself ready.

I need my SOYENT GREEN PLEASE. Vote to have your country handed over to the government even more than it is now, because that is what you would be doing. The Gov will use this as a way to control us more than they already do. At least now I still have a clear mind to see the bull out there. If you want a good subject to talk about, talk about the Illegal immagrints coming into this country and steeling us blind and our Gov is letting them do it, talk about the threat of attack here in America, "AGAIN" talk about the Health care system in this country, talk about the bull $hit our vets have to go through to get good medical treatment, But Man please get off the drug thing, it will not fly. I hope spelling does not count.

WE have voted on and and it did not make it.

Having dealt with, associated with, partied with, and, been at one time, a 'recreational' smoker, I can say with all honesty, I've never seen or heard of any one in my 48 years who robbed anyone, got in a vehicle of any type, killed anyone, wrecked, or even got pulled over because of having fired one up. And, as far as research shows, there is no nicotine in weed, which is the source of addiction with cigs. Anything can be addictive to a weak mind, psychological addiction is as real as physical addiction. Medicinal weed has been legalized for many years, in many places, and has it's benefits, and it's place. If Weed were legalized and taxed, we would have a budget surplus in a few years, jail crowding would be down, and a bunch of the people using it would stop, cause there would be no "thrill" of doing something illegal to be 'cool' with your friends. The area I live in has about the cheapest weed in the states, so a pack of 'J's would cost about $15. I don't advocate the legalization, nor condone the use, but, I've never heard of a pothead breaking into one's home to feed their craving. They may in fact, eat you out of house and home, but, that ain't that bad, is it? Most people have a "Reefer Madness" attitude about weed, which is not at all intelligent or informed.

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Originally posted by mainedawg:
WE have voted on and and it did not make it.

Much to the dismay of the Hempstock goers.

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Originally posted by jkeller47:
I need my SOYENT GREEN PLEASE. Vote to have your country handed over to the government even more than it is now, because that is what you would be doing. The Gov will use this as a way to control us more than they already do. At least now I still have a clear mind to see the bull out there. If you want a good subject to talk about, talk about the Illegal immagrints coming into this country and steeling us blind and our Gov is letting them do it, talk about the threat of attack here in America, "AGAIN" talk about the Health care system in this country, talk about the bull $hit our vets have to go through to get good medical treatment, But Man please get off the drug thing, it will not fly. I hope spelling does not count.

Salsa flavored SOYLENT GREEN sounds like it has potential.

If we legalize all drugs but place tougher law’s on them will more people be tempted to use drugs’? legalize drugs and you free up the system with all of the inmates in jail for minor drug violations, cleaner streets (assuming the law heavily enforces where and when you an use it i.e. only in your house with no kids within 100 yards…ect …), no more “drug wars”, ect….

However,

Keep as is and less people use them but more drugs crimes happen due to having to finds ways to get supplies and a place to use or make them. “Drug war’s” occur for anyone who wants to big the big kingpin! The system is tied up with all the drug laws and violators (with so many out there who can count!)

And seems that when a drug is “getting old” there’s a new way to use it or worst, using over-the-counter pharmacy goods to overdose! I can see it now: “ Today on the news local children are overdosing on Flintstones vitamins” So whats one to do?

One thing for sure:
Drugs + Military = Hell no!

Drug policy of the United States
Drug possession is the crime of having one or more illegal drugs in one's possession, either for personal use, distribution, sale or otherwise. Illegal drugs fall into different categories and sentences vary depending on the amount, type of drug, circumstances, and jurisdiction.

In the U.S., the penalty for illegal drug possession and sale can vary from a small fine to a prison sentence. In some states, marijuana possession is considered to be a petty offense, with the penalty being comparable to that of a speeding violation. In some municipalities, possessing a small quantity of marijuana in one's own home is not punishable at all. Generally, however, drug possession is an arrestable offense, although first-time offenders rarely serve jail time.

Federal law makes even possession of soft drugs such as cannabis illegal, though some local governments have laws contradicting federal laws. Federal law overrules state/local law, though some argue it should not as the Constitution gives police powers to the states.

In the U.S., the War on Drugs is causing a prison overcrowding problem. In 1996, 59.6% of prisoners were drug-related criminals. U.S. population grew by about +25% from 1980 to 2000. In that same 20 year time period, U.S. prison population tripled. To make room in prison for incoming drug users and dealers, all inmates, including violent criminals are having their sentences shortened or are being paroled early. This is why mandatory sentencing laws are being repealed