Do trolls always get on the board without a bio, establish themselves as controversial? Another thing, they are inherently bad spellers.

They come here and believe that we are not that well versed in life. Like this one, he thinks we knoew nothing about smoking dope. Is he in for it should he dare return. I had a chat with a guy on here about dope for 35 pages and we told to stay away from each other. We still do.. I think you know where I stand on it.

There really is no legitimate reason for the illegality of marijuana... It makes no sense when you consider the fact that drunk driving kills nearly 13,000 people annually - yet alcohol is still perfectly all right.

Or what about cigarettes? They're responsible for an astounding 430,000 deaths each year - Yet no one is rallying to ban cigarettes.

If I were to make a drug illegal... I'd start with one that actually KILLS people.

So with what you are saying then, because the other illegal drugs are real bad so legalize another not so bad drug so we have more?????? We don't want another drug legalized and we don't care what it is ...NO...

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Originally posted by mainedawg:
So with what you are saying then, because the other illegal drugs are real bad so legalize another not so bad drug so we have more?????? We don't want another drug legalized and we don't care what it is ...NO...

I'll trade ya both one fer one.The boozers have been runnin th show fer a while , make booze illegal and weed legal

Hmmmm stoned in iraq = bad bad bad=DEAD

Actually I am not dead-set against decriminalizing marijuana for the civilian populace, but I don't want to EVER see it allowed in the military. And I would want disclosure from those civilians who use it. Once it's legal, if they claim there's no chronic negative effects, users shouldn't have any objection to having others know they use, right?

Personally, I think smoking weed makes you stupid, short-term and long-term, and erodes your physical health and motivation level.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by sierraseven:
Actually I am not dead-set against decriminalizing marijuana for the civilian populace, but I don't want to EVER see it allowed in the military. And I would want disclosure from those civilians who use it. Once it's legal, if they claim there's no chronic negative effects, users shouldn't have any objection to having others know they use, right?



See here's the problem... Who's gonna pay for all this? You think the pot smokers, who won't have jobs, beause most don't have jobs now. THE TAXPAYERS WILL.... That would be you and me.

Plus, the pot smokers are the minority. We have got to get away from what ever the minority wants, it gets. What it should be is, what ever the minority "needs" they get. We lost that translation over the years.

Now we think it's supposed to be that way.

My drup abuse of choice - Chocolate chip cookies and milk!! I have a terrible addiction!!!

Keebler be da pusherman!!!!!

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
My drup abuse of choice - Chocolate chip cookies and milk!! I have a terrible addiction!!!

Keebler be da pusherman!!!!!

Yep... I'm guilty too... I like my lemon flavored with white frosting cookies with 4 times as much milk than I need for the cookies.

Drugs should not be legalized period...I am sure most of us have done it or knew someone who did, yeah..cool...we had our fun as kids, now it is time to grow up...move out of mommy's basement, get a job, stop blaming daddy for all the wrong in your life, and find something worthwhile in the long run to occupy your time and/or bring you happiness.

That was just drugs in general...now, drugs in the military is even worse to me. For one...you can not say, "Well, just because they are in the military does not mean we should hold them to a higher accountability level"... fact is, yes we should. When kids or anyone for that matter think about our military, they think.... they are very disciplined individuals who have goals and and strive to meet their purpose in life...that is what they are!!!! Stoners, tweakers, or anyone who uses drugs are everything opposite of what our military stands for and is.

that is the bottom line...drugs are not for anyone, they mess up even the strongest people, sometimes you may not even notice it until it is too late. I wish better for our military and anyone for that matter, I have witnessed first hand what happens slowly... I also wish better for you, i hope you find the courage, and yes, that is what it takes to kick drugs, to quite and hopefully you don't bring that into your military career if you get in.... if you really have what it takes and you really want to join, you won't bring drugs into your military career... and you wouldn't fight or support for it to be legalized. Respectfully....KIWI

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Originally posted by mainedawg:
So with what you are saying then, because the other illegal drugs are real bad so legalize another not so bad drug so we have more?????? We don't want another drug legalized and we don't care what it is ...NO...

How many people have died from marijuana? I'll give you a hint: It's not nearly close to the number of people who have died from alcohol or tobacco...

It's actually a lot closer to, umm... ZERO.

But I personally don't do drugs of any sort (Sans the occasional beer), so I don't care. Personally, I think it's bullshit to tell someone what they can or can't put in their own bodies (Provided they harm no one else). It just amazes me how people will fight tooth and nail to keep marijuana and other drugs illegal - when the perfectly legal drugs right under their noses kill hundreds of thousands of people annually.

Like I said before... If you want to ban a drug because it's detrimental to society - you may want to actually start with one that comes with a mortality rate.

MJ is a hallucinogenic... what happens when you hallucinate is, your brain is bleeding, that is what makes you do it! not to mention now a days it is almost impossible to get clean weed, people lace it with stuff because they say it enhances it.

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Originally posted by comingofage:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sierraseven:
Actually I am not dead-set against decriminalizing marijuana for the civilian populace, but I don't want to EVER see it allowed in the military. And I would want disclosure from those civilians who use it. Once it's legal, if they claim there's no chronic negative effects, users shouldn't have any objection to having others know they use, right?



See here's the problem... Who's gonna pay for all this? You think the pot smokers, who won't have jobs, beause most don't have jobs now. THE TAXPAYERS WILL.... That would be you and me.

Plus, the pot smokers are the minority. We have got to get away from what ever the minority wants, it gets. What it should be is, what ever the minority "needs" they get. We lost that translation over the years.

Now we think it's supposed to be that way.

How do you know most pot smokers don't have jobs? The fact of the matter is our society is not ready for it. If it was already part of the American culture then it would be no thing. I don't know if any of you have travelled, but in the Netherlands they have smoke shops. They even deliver it to your home. MJ isn't necessarily legal there, but the authorities don't bother you. The only thing you can not do is smoke out in the streets. The Netherlands do not have a major problem with MJ. There are a lot of normal people that smoke it and function just fine. There are a lot hard working individuals there who smoke it. Hmm come to think of it there are a lot of great inventions created by them pot smokers(microbiology, sawmill, artificial organs)to name a few. They also have some of the finest damns. You know the ones they should have built for New Orleans (Some parts of the Netherlands is below sea level). You will always have people who abuse "something". I personelly have no problems with MJ as long as you are responsible.
Also the comment about having someone high next to you at work is ridiculous. Big boys and girls should not smoke while on duty. Just like you shouldn't be drunk while on duty. I wonder how many people in this forum have been hung over while on the job?
Also the majority isn't always correct. The majority doesn't always know what is needed. Especially if they aren't the ones in need.

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Originally posted by mrssgtsupergrunt:
MJ is a hallucinogenic... what happens when you hallucinate is, your brain is bleeding, that is what makes you do it! not to mention now a days it is almost impossible to get clean weed, people lace it with stuff because they say it enhances it.

You are either delusional or have been fed some truely bogus propaganda. MJ is not a hallucinogen, not by itself. Hallucinogens do not cause hemoraging, they affect how the brain releases neurotransmitters.
As for not getting clean weed, given the number of people I have seen fail urinalysis for just THC I would have to say that you are wrong there too.

As pointed out, anyone who wants to smoke up right now, can reasonably do so without going to jail. All they have to do is be careful, and not buy or posses a large enough amount to end up behind bars. In most states, all you get for a small amount is a ticket. The military of course is different. If my K9 so much as finds a tiny residual, then its probably going to be your ***. The law is the law...deal with it. Laws 'typically' go with the majority of societies norms. You can always move, and become part of a society that supports that type of behavior openly. If you feel strongly enough about it, write a well thought out and researched document to your congressman or representative. If you don't, then you obviously aren't that motivated.

Even if they make MJ legal for civilians, you can reasonably expect there will be jobs like the military that will still maintain a zero tolerance for the substance. Life is full of sacrifices to get what you want. You want to go to a certain college...then you have to get good grades prior. You want a certain job...you have to be willing to fit into what they consider an eligible candidate.

There is no compelling societal reason for MJ to be illegal. The only reason is because some people seem to think if somebody enjoys something it must be immoral. It no more debilatating than alchohol and much less deadly and addictive than tabacco. If society is willing to tolerate those two chemicals there is no justification for outlawing MJ.

My primary objection to the illegality of MJ is not that I want to smoke it (the stuff makes me sick), it is that I object to legislating morality.

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Originally posted by thorin001:
There is no compelling societal reason for MJ to be illegal. The only reason is because some people seem to think if somebody enjoys something it must be immoral. It no more debilatating than alchohol and much less deadly and addictive than tabacco. If society is willing to tolerate those two chemicals there is no justification for outlawing MJ.

My primary objection to the illegality of MJ is not that I want to smoke it (the stuff makes me sick), it is that I object to legislating morality.

A certain level of 'morality policing' is inevitable, and neccessary. Otherwise ALL drugs would be legal (among many other moral issues). Anyone who thinks that would be a picnic is sorely mistaken. Most people are cool with things so long as it doesn't directly affect them or their family. But, get a couple of your children strung out on drugs and/or dead, and now they will turn right back around and blame the government for something they asked for in the first place. Even in a free society there are rules. There has to be, otherwise it is an Anarchist society.

I've also brought up the Law Enforcement point in this type of discussion before. We have FSM's or FST's for alcohol and drugs(Horizontal Gaze Nystagmus). We have portable breath test (alcohol), and of course we have the Intox machine. How exactly do we go about a portable MJ drug test on the side of the road, on top of the alcohol test we already perform? Can you smoke and drive? If so, how much? And if an amount is determined, then how can I test you to determine that level of 'intoxication' has been reached? And thats just a few minor questions about MJ. If you want ALL drugs to be legal (because who is the govt to tell us anything), then how do I test for crack, PCP, H, X, and so on and so forth? While we can draw blood and perform drug test, we certainly aren't going to do this on the side of the highway.

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Originally posted by 16012052:
Your brain uses drugs itself, it makes DMT(psycedelic, Anandaamide (a Cannabinol), endorphins, adrenaline and i control what drugts my brain has in it by many ways, diet, thoughts, physical activity, and exogenious chemicals such as typtophan found in turkey, sleeping pills, and alcohol. You can even get high off magnetic waves that osilate(?) and have a bonafide spirtiual experence. Best of all all these different ways to change how you feel work fundementaly the same.

You desire a feeling, you seek the feeling.
`nough said

O and navy? you already have served with a stoner that you didn't even know.

But, i will agree, while working noone should be intoxicated. but if one got high on sunday and works on monday that person is not impaired any more than one who had a few drinks. Cannabis users are not always high, you just think that because they are using a drug that is easy on the body enough that when high a person is not all that impaired, witch is reason to make it legal. good point btw

OK Mr. This member, You obviously have a biased opinion that has no basis in reality as you have no idea how much damage canabis causes to people and their decision making ability. It is far worse than cigarettes for you lungs, and worse for your brain than alcohol. I have seen it myself, and I have read it in my research. So if you want to turn your life into a a bowl of cold oatmeal, knock yourself out. But to advocate the legalization of this drug is idiotic at best.

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Originally posted by mrssgtsupergrunt:
MJ is a hallucinogenic... what happens when you hallucinate is, your brain is bleeding, that is what makes you do it! not to mention now a days it is almost impossible to get clean weed, people lace it with stuff because they say it enhances it.

MJ is not a hallucinogenic, but it is frequently spiked with such chemicals and drugs to increase the effect of the MJ. One of my sailors got into that, and got a seriously bad experience with PCP that had been added to his marijuana. He ran more than 5 miles naked, in bare feet, under the influence of that drug, and the police picked him up by following the bloody footprints. It took three officers to restrain him after they caught up with him.

So it is the additives, not the marijuana that makes it a hallucinogenic. Not that the MJ isn't bad enough, but it is not that.