Want to know how women feel about being put on the shooting range while pregnant? Do you feel you have a right to know what the fetus is being exposed to? Do you feel you should have a right to to shoot after pregnancy? Should regs be change to protect the fetus

I would suggest that you ask the question on Women in the Military There are some real nice folks on that forum.

LOLOLOLOLOL!!

BOY do I smell an agenda at work!!

Well at least the kid will be able to sleep in any kind of loud noice..............

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Originally posted by Cider33_Alpha:
LOLOLOLOLOL!!

BOY do I smell an agenda at work!!

Yeh - something along the line of "I want to be in the military, just don't make me do anything 'military'!" agenda . . .

It's either an agenda or a troll...or both! I wonder if markel88 is friends with Gloria Steinam!

During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

When I was in the Air Guard, our Squadron Training NCO got pregnant. As she got further along, she filled her office with "beanie baby" stuffed animals. Every time I went in there to check for CDCs and other training needs for EM, I wanted to puke!! She got away with it because she didn't have to maintain "deployable status", and she was full time civil service. Bunch of CRAP!!

people are quick to judge other. I just want women, speak what they feel not be afraid. I thought my question was legit, so much to learn about , gender senstive issues

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

markel88,
Take it easy...we are just having fun with you!

Try going through the chain of command. Sometimes you have to take a couple runs at it before you get some results.

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Originally posted by markel88:
people are quick to judge other. I just want women, speak what they feel not be afraid. I thought my question was legit, so much to learn about , gender senstive issues

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

markel...... no one is judging. I'd say most of us find it hard to believe that our military would put a pregnant woman up on the firing line.. our society does have these funny mores concerning woman as you no doubt know. As for one poster mentioning "agendas".... well it would seem your original post was pointing in that direction. Tell you what, if you want serious answers/opinions how about giving us some specifics or examples as to what you are talking about in reference to your original post.

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people are quick to judge other. I just want women, speak what they feel not be afraid. I thought my question was legit, so much to learn about , gender senstive issues

"Gender sensitive issues" in an occupation that taught me how to grab and crush a man's adams apple with one hand while I'm sticking and twisting a bayonet in his ribs with the other!?!? Sure ain't any Army I ever trained in!!

Worries me when soldiers need time out from killing the enemy cuz they might have a touch of morning sickness coming on - -

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Originally posted by markel88:
people are quick to judge other. I just want women, speak what they feel not be afraid. I thought my question was legit, so much to learn about , gender senstive issues

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

markel88,
The person that first stated;

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LOLOLOLOLOL!!

BOY do I smell an agenda at work!!

is a woman/female.

What cracks me up about this thread is the notion that pregnant women are dainty, delicate little creatures who must be protected from any and all things that are "bad" (by whose description? a topic for another thread) for the fetus ...

Obviously nobody here has ever known women who work in factories, on farms, in the fields, at hard manual labor all through pregnancy, stop briefly to have the baby, then go right back to it.

Get a grip, guys.

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Originally posted by markel88:
people are quick to judge other. I just want women, speak what they feel not be afraid. I thought my question was legit, so much to learn about , gender senstive issues

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

Markel88 the military have these regs in place to HELP protect the woman who is pregers. I have seen times where it was the women who played the system. Care for a war story? I was in Germany in a transportation Bn. Lower enlisted would put staff duty driver, not a bad job really. Several expectant Soldiers tried to put a fast one by saying their profiles prohibited them from staff duty driver because they could not drive military vehicles. The intent of this part of the profile was to keep them from being assigned to driving our big 18 wheelers which required them to climb more than two steps.
Well the staff duty vehicles were Blazers(M1009)or Chevy C-10(M1008) not tractors. When the girls started pulling this stunt 1SGTs pulled their POV car keys.(single lower enlisted owning cars at that time was a privlige). If these people can't drive a militerized civilan vehicle then they could not drive POVs. These Soldiers went back to the clinic and got their profiles rewritten to state driving no vehicles more that one step off the ground.
I worked with a Supply SGT who was working on her 5th kid. She'd worked the fire out of pregant Soldiers and stayed within the profile too.
I say again the profiles are to protect the expectant mothers, but there are young kids out there who get pregnant just to get out of deployments.

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Originally posted by markel88:
Want to know how women feel about being put on the shooting range while pregnant? Do you feel you have a right to know what the fetus is being exposed to? Do you feel you should have a right to to shoot after pregnancy? Should regs be change to protect the fetus

There are already regs in place. Pregnant and nursing women cannot handle weapons or ammunition. The CLP is considered hazmat as is the gunpowder.

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Originally posted by Cider33_Alpha:
What cracks me up about this thread is the notion that pregnant women are dainty, delicate little creatures who must be protected from any and all things that are "bad" (by whose description? a topic for another thread) for the fetus ...

Obviously nobody here has ever known women who work in factories, on farms, in the fields, at hard manual labor all through pregnancy, stop briefly to have the baby, then go right back to it.

Get a grip, guys.

Bad assumption. My first memory of aunt Gertrude was seeing her in a dress and knee-high rubber boots walking across a pasture with a new-born calf under one arm. Her husband had left her many years before, and she had raised her boys and run a small ranch by herself from then on. She was tough as nails - yet kind and warm, as were all the rancher-wives and daughters from "down home." But in my 22 years of military, I saw a whole shyyyt load of females come in that couldn't/wouldn't pull their load when it came to weapons maintenance, vehicle maintenance, night outpost duty, and the general heavy lifting-type work that went with over-seas deployments. But nobody dared say anything for fear of EEO/harassment complaints, so the males just had to take on the extra work. Look at how the PT Tests and such have been modified! It all sucks. Put the standards at one level (Pre-1975) for everybody, quit babying anyone for any reason . . .

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Originally posted by thorin001:

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Originally posted by markel88:
Want to know how women feel about being put on the shooting range while pregnant? Do you feel you have a right to know what the fetus is being exposed to? Do you feel you should have a right to to shoot after pregnancy? Should regs be change to protect the fetus

There are already regs in place. Pregnant and nursing women cannot handle weapons or ammunition. The CLP is considered hazmat as is the gunpowder.

Concur.

Last time I coordinated a weapons qual, the rules were emphatic about pregnant women being expressly prohibited from being present in order to protect the fetus.

Cider,
You are right on target!

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Originally posted by SGTBJH:
During the time I was in I NEVER saw a female in a family way on the range. I never saw one in the motor pool after a certain month for that matter. Profiles.

When I was in(81-84), anyone in the "family way" got a free ticket home.