i want to reclass to 79r i meet all the requirements, i just need to know if I choose where to go, do i get options or is it needs of the army. thanks in advance

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Originally posted by NismoR003:
i want to reclass to 79r

Why the hell would you want to do that?

With a good-natured nod to azmax64's comment, what he said!

Seriously, it's tough work to be a recruiter. When my duty day was done (and those recruiter days were long), the Soldiers down the hall were still burning the midnight oil. As were the Sailors. Marines also.

Not that you asked for unsolicited advice re: career options.

I would be surprised if the Army handles recruiter assignments differently than the other services do; if the opening exists and you make the cut for the job, then it would probably be yours.

Good luck; best wishes!

The first step is to be an NCO on recruiting duty. You can volunteer with the Recruit the Recruiter team if you meet the qualifications.

I'm not at work and don't have access to the info, but you basically have to be successful as a recruiter. Once you are out here for a certain amount of time, you have mandatory counseling where you are evaluated by your station commander, 1SG, and CSM.

If you want to convert to 79R, then you are sent to Station Commander Course and convert.

I was DA selected for recruiting when the MOS was 00R. Be careful what you wish for, this is a tough, challenging and demanding job. A lot of long hours. Very politcal and can also be a cut throat business.

I remember talking to one recruiter who was carrying his whole recruiting company month after month and making execellent numbers. He tired of the the burden, slowed his pace down to what he was required to recruit and was called every name in the book by both his company and battalion command group. They don't call Army recruiting the green mafia for nothing.

I got out of recruiting as quickly as possible. I'm not cut out to be a salesman, I would rather be with soldiers.

Good luck

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i've been an infantryman for 3 years now, am in the 82nd in a unit that is always training in the field, always away from the family, i just want a job where i can relax and not do any "highspeed" stuff anymore, i had my fair share plus its hard on the body, and if i pcs i'm afraid i get stuck in a similar unit. also i want to be closer home.

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Originally posted by NismoR003:
i've been an infantryman for 3 years now, am in the 82nd in a unit that is always training in the field, always away from the family, i just want a job where i can relax and not do any "highspeed" stuff anymore, i had my fair share plus its hard on the body, and if i pcs i'm afraid i get stuck in a similar unit. also i want to be closer home.

Do take time to sit down with your family (when you have a chance) and explore all career options....that is, if a personal goal of yours is to have quality family time together.

The Armed Forces need good recruiters. A good question, though, for you and yours to consider is: Do Armed Forces families thrive with good recruiters?

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Originally posted by NismoR003:
i've been an infantryman for 3 years now, am in the 82nd in a unit that is always training in the field, always away from the family, i just want a job where i can relax and not do any "highspeed" stuff anymore, i had my fair share plus its hard on the body, and if i pcs i'm afraid i get stuck in a similar unit. also i want to be closer home.

Then you don't want to go recruiting. Recruiters work early in the morning (got to pick up johnny at 4 am to get him to MEPS) to late at night (manadatory phone calls time to every possible lead and then do the paperwork - get home 11 or 12 at night). Mandatory "training" on weekends because you didn't make quota last month.

You will only see your family a few hours a month as a recruiter - unless you are lucky enough to be stationed at the right place where 2 or 3 full qualified applicants just walk into your station each month.

You will spend hours talking to young men and women who really want to join - but can't because of their criminal record - long hours talking to mom's and dad's who don't want johnny or sally to be in the military. Long hours driving potential soldiers back and forth to the MEPS only to find out that they changed their mind, can't pass the physical, not qualified (didn't tell you about the felony they committed last month), can't score high enough on the ASVAB, etc.etc.etc.

Some people are good at recruiting because they have the gift of being able to talk and sell the army. If your not an outgoing natural salesman - Stay away from recruiting.

And no, you usually don't get to pick where you want to go (but they make you fill out a preferance sheet - lol). After you finish school - you go where the Army want you to go.

So, if you really want to do this. Step one is to volunteer to be a recruiter (see your S1). You can only reclass to 79R after 3 years of being a successfull recruiter so you will still be a 11B during your 1st 3 years.

Go talk to your Career Counselor if your getting close to your reenlistment window. Pick an MOS that will lead into a job you want to pursue after you seperate from the military.

I was 11C my 1st 7 years (leg and mech) and then got lucky enough to be the Battalion Reenlistment NCO and offered the opportunity to reclass to 79S Career Counselor and did that for the next 18 years.

Every person that every came into my office who wasn't a fast talker and natural salesman I convinced to choose something other than recruiting.

Recruiting is NOT that way anymore after what happened a few years ago (suicides).

Now, it is pretty much a 9-to-5 for the most part. (You still have PT, whether organized or individual that does not fall into that time period.

There is a Commanding General Work Hours policy that dictates the hours, and includes a day per week where recruiters MUST leave work at 1500.

Leaders get relieved over not following this.

The other part, where leaders could be toxic, is gone. See above.

The stress of trying to find people to join, in today's environment with a bad economy, is pretty much gone.

79Rs are responsible for the mission. Recruiters are no longer individually missioned. So, as a 79R, it will all be on your shoulders to make your recruiters successful.

After doing time as a station commander, there are other opportunities out there (staff, special missions).

Good to hear that they fixed all of those problems NCOs were having after the draft ended and the economy got good in the late 70s. Saw alot of good NCOs career's messed up because they were not successful recruiters.

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Originally posted by FO2_325:
Recruiting is NOT that way anymore after what happened a few years ago (suicides).

Now, it is pretty much a 9-to-5 for the most part. (You still have PT, whether organized or individual that does not fall into that time period.

There is a Commanding General Work Hours policy that dictates the hours, and includes a day per week where recruiters MUST leave work at 1500.

Leaders get relieved over not following this.

The other part, where leaders could be toxic, is gone. See above.

The stress of trying to find people to join, in today's environment with a bad economy, is pretty much gone.

79Rs are responsible for the mission. Recruiters are no longer individually missioned. So, as a 79R, it will all be on your shoulders to make your recruiters successful.

After doing time as a station commander, there are other opportunities out there (staff, special missions).

They used to rotate Army Officers (including Combat Arms) in and out of USAREC HQ back in the 1990's. Usually 1LT and CPT's Not sure if they still do that but it is a really good exposure to how a Market Analysis staff functions in the private sector. Very similar in operation and in software.

Not a lot of Enlisted at HQ at Ft. Knox though, almost all Officers (I think because of the budget amounts). Most of the Enlisted is out in the field. HQ is a good tour for an Officer though, in my opinion.

Its good to hear recruiting isn't the way it used to be.

Be careful what you wish for. My husband is a 79R. He didn't get a choice of assignment but if the need is there, you could stay where you are.

On paper, it's all 9-5 and at school the rhetoric is all about family first and ensuring the well being of personnel but the reality is very different. It also depends on your company and the battalion. My husband is gone 10 hours a day, Saturdays and sometimes Sundays. In the Summer, we have a plethora of events and parades etc and if we are lucky, he gets that early finish on a Friday at least once a month. You're governed by how many phone calls you make, when you make them, the appts you set and whatever suits your future soldiers.

It's tough to recruit at the moment but the mission doesn't allow for any of those road blocks. It needs to be completed regardless. We are lucky in that the other recruiters in his office are not d-bags. It keeps us sane and his decision to convert was for our newborn and the job is his stepping stone. We are still eternally grateful that in this economy he at least has stability with his pay check and he is home at night. Good luck with whatever you decide.

I'm winding down my tour as a detailed Recruiter. As for the spouse's post above mine, if you want to see your husband more often, start lodging complaints. We've been visited by everyone from the USAREC CG and CSM on down, and the first thing everyone at the brigade or higher level asks is whether or not our company and battalion leadership enforces the time-off policy.

There will always be parades and other "fun" events that we can work, but our workload has been cut from two-four weekend events per month with all personnel to at most one weekend event per month with minimum personnel.

Individual mission has gone away and the USAREC IG forwarded an email from the CG to the entire command a while back pertaining to the assignment of individual missions. In short, leaders risk their careers by violating the new policy.

OP, if you really want to become a 79R, volunteer for recruiting duty. After a year or two you can start asking about converting. Just bear in mind, though, that there are few promotion opportunities beyond E-7. Also, while converting used to guarantee promotion to E-7, USAREC is reducing its ranks somewhat. The USAREC CSM personally told us last year that they reassessed the need for so many E-7s, and I have not seen a detailed E-7 since then. In fact, everyone that has come here as a detailed Recruiter in the past 18 months has been E-5.

Thank you for that info. We knew about the individual missions etc. As of yesterday, they changed the work hours, again. We'll see how long this change lasts. Previous experience with this battalion, each change of hours lasts only a month.

If it fails to stick this time, I will follow your suggestions about lodging a complaint. However, my husband believes in mission first and that is what I signed on for when we married so I am really not apt to complain.