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I am an E-6 89B with 5-6 yrs active time. I have been in Korea for two months and have ten more left. I am trying to find out if I can re-up and reclass. What is out there and what would be available to me?

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I have a perm. P2 Profile for bad knees
I am 40 years old


I am just weighing my options and don't really want to talk to a career counselor online just yet. Any Help would be appreciated.
 
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1. To reenlist for a different MOS you must be either on your 1st enlistment or in a overstrength PMOS. At age 40, are you prior service to include NG or AR? If yes, then you are not on your 1st enlistment because you have enlisted more than one time in your life hence the term reenlist. Many prior service believe wrongly that since they have not re-enlisted since rejoining the military this time that they are on their initial enlistment and are thus qualified for the 1st termer's reenlistment options. If you fall in this catagory - you are a mid-careerist because you have enlisted more than once but have less than 10 years of action duty.

2. As a SSG, you will only be offered MOS's that are critically short at the SSG or SFC level. But very few MOS's are ever short at SSG or SFC level's because when DA forcasts a vacancy to that level - they lower the cutoff scores so that a SGT(P) may be promoted to SSG and set the number of SSG on the SFC promotion list to be promoted that month to fill the vacancy. So this only leaves MOS's that have no SGT(P) or SSG(P) in that PMOS so there are vacancies.


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So if you are a first term soldier, re-enlisting for a new PMOS, is it also possible to get another option as well, ie. Airborne or Duty Station? Can you have both or is it either/or?
 
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It's either or. If you reup for Airborne - your going to be assigned to an airborne unit (most likely Bragg but not allways) If you reup for a new PMOS your only guaranteed a training slot. Your not guaranteed the MOS because its up to you to complete and successfully pass the training. The Army can not combined training for a new PMOS with a guaranteed follow-on assignment because they can not tie up a vacancy at a duty station as a soldier might not complete the school.

Table E–3 (Army Training Reenlistment Option E-3)
Line: 1
Item: Name of option
Comment: Army Training Reenlistment Option
Line: 2
Item: Description of option
Comment: Guarantees to qualified Soldiers
a. Attendance at an available service school of choice for PMOS, SQI, ASI or language training.
b. Airborne training for Soldiers possessing a PMOS listed in applicable RETAIN message for award of SQI "P."
Line: 3
Item: Reenlistment period
Comment: Qualified Soldiers, SSG and below, with less than 10 years of AFS on date of discharge may reenlist for the term stated below. Subsequent extension is required if the reenlistment term does not meet or exceed the service remaining requirement for the specific school/training as required by DA Pam 351-4. (POL MSG 09-02)
a. Initial Term, Mid Career, and Career Soldiers who are eligible to receive Mid-Career options (with less than 10 years of AFS on date of discharge): (POL MSG 09-02) Minimum 3 year reenlistment.
b. (POL MSG 09-02) Soldiers reenlisting for this option must meet the minimum SRR for new MOS and follow on assignment using a combination of reenlistment and extension; extension will not exceed 11 months.
Line: 4
Item: Prerequisites
Comment:
a. Must meet eligibility criteria and reenlist in the time frame prescribed in chapter 3 with or without waiver(s) of disqualification(s).
b. Possess a physical profile equal to or higher than (all factors) the physical profile for the desired MOS per DA PAM 611-21.
c. (POL MSG 09-01 (C2)) Career Counselors must ensure that Soldiers reenlisting for E-3 meet all prerequisites IAW the RETAIN MINQUALS, DA Pam 611-21, and the ATRRS course catalog at http://www.atrrs.army.mil/atrrscc/.
d. In a pay grade that does not exceed the authorized pay grade for the requested three-character MOS per DA PAM 611-21.
e. Possess required security clearances before departing the losing installation. If the required security clearance is not awarded, the Soldier will not depart the losing installation. Notify CG, HRC, ATTN: AHRC-EPF-R-R, immediately and they will issue further instructions. Failure to qualify for required clearances is cause for cancellation of the option, even if discovered after the Soldier’s reenlistment. (In cases where the selected training requires a higher security clearance than the Soldier holds, caution must be used when requesting a class start date to ensure sufficient time to secure the required clearance prior to the Soldier’s departure from the losing installation.)
(RMT MSG 09-17) Due to the lengthy processing time, Soldiers can reenlist/extend in their PMOS or retrain into a higher clearance MOS provided they have an interim clearance by the local commander.
(POL MSG 09-01 (C2)) Rescinded
f. Meet any other special requirements for the school course selected.
g. Soldiers requesting airborne training must also meet requirements of AR 614-200, chapter 5, and currently possess, or request training in, an airborne-shortage MOS.
h. Soldiers who possess an overage MOS and desire airborne training, may request retraining in one of the MOS’s listed in the appropriate RETAIN message. Soldiers desiring retraining into a MOS that is an airborne-shortage MOS but is over-strength worldwide, must complete a statement acknowledging the requirement to remain on jump status at least 24 months after completion of airborne training or be reclassified and reassigned according to the needs of the Army.
AR 601-280 ● 2 March 2009
143
i. Soldiers requesting retraining in conjunction with assignment to an airborne unit must successfully complete airborne training before attending the MOS producing school course.
j. Eligibility. (POL MSG 09-02)
(1) Initial Term, Mid Career, and Career Soldiers with Mid-Career Options (less than 10 years of AFS on date of discharge) serving in an over strength (N/Y) MOS inside the reenlistment window.
(2) (POL MSG 09-02) As an exception, Mid-Career and Career Soldiers with Mid-Career Options (less than 10 years of AFS on date of discharge) serving in a balanced (N/N) MOS may request the Army Training Reenlistment option. Career Counselors must send a hotline to category “Opt 3” requesting a priority MOS listed on RETAIN. RRB will approve/disapprove the request based on Army strengths. Process IAW RMT MSG 08-05.
(3) (POL MSG 09-02) Initial, Mid-Career and Career Soldiers with Mid-Career options (less than 10 years of AFS on date of discharge) serving in an over strength (N/Y) MOS outside the reenlistment window may request to reenlist for Army Training Option. Process IAW RMT 09-05
(4) (POL MSG 09-02) All Soldiers must have a minimum of 12 months time on station before departing the installation.
Line: 5
Item: Option Information
Comment: Soldier must understand--
a. The requested course purpose, scope, and prerequisites, as outlined in DA Pam 351-4, and a review of the MOS description in DA PAM 611-21.
b. If relieved from the school course for academic deficiency, disciplinary reasons, or failure to retain the required security clearance, he or she will be reassigned according to the needs of the Army and must complete the term for which reenlisted.
c. If the Soldier becomes disqualified after reenlistment and before starting the course for which reenlisted, he or she will be reassigned according to the needs of the Army.
d. If reenlisting for PMOS retraining, which will re-designate their PMOS, then upon successful completion of training, he or she will lose their entitlement to the Selective Reenlistment Bonus (SRB) unless participating in the Bonus Extension and Retraining program (BEAR).
e. If a change in the Soldier’s rank or PMOS occurs before movement to the course, confirmation of attendance must be made. If the Soldier is no longer eligible for course attendance or assignment because of change in rank or PMOS, the Soldier will be assigned according to the needs of the Army.
f. If the course for which he or she reenlisted is discontinued before, or during attendance, or if he or she is later medically disqualified for the course, he or she will be given a chance to select another course for which he or she is qualified and for which quotas are available.
g. Reenlistment will be accomplished and all required personnel records updated before the Soldier departs the installation where he or she reenlisted. Transmit personnel records according to AR 640-10.
h. Soldiers reenlisting for airborne training will also understand--
(1) AR 614-200, chapter 6.
(2) Airborne training will be in a TDY en route status.
(3) Failure to complete airborne training will result in reassignment according to the needs of the Army.
(4) When airborne training is successfully completed, he or she will receive SQI "P." The Soldier will be assigned in accordance with the needs of the Army. Those Soldiers reenlisting for retraining must also complete the MOS course before assignment to an airborne unit.
i. A subsequent extension is required if the reenlistment term does not meet the service remaining requirements.
Line: 6
Item: Option processing procedures
Comment:
a. Requests for MOS producing school will be made by RETAIN or by telephone to HRC, Retention Management Division.
b. Report all personnel information per applicable RETAIN and HRC messages.
c. Applications for airborne training must be submitted according to AR 614-200, chapter 5.
Line: 7
Item: Special processing for overseas commands
AR 601-280 ● 2 March 2009
144
Comment: See paragraph 4-5.
Line: 8
Item: Statements required for reenlistment
Comment: DA Form 3286, Parts I through IV, for all applicants. Reenlistees will be assigned to the student detachment of the appropriate service school as follows:
a. If the school course is 20 weeks or more in duration, the Soldier will be assigned to the school in a PCS status.
b. If the school course is less than 20 weeks duration the Soldier will be assigned according to instructions from CG, HRC. The personnel records custodian will obtain ultimate unit assignment from the Soldier’s new career management branch, HRC, before issuance of movement orders.
c. (POL MSG 09-01 (C2)) Part II, Item 3, Soldier enters " I have read and understand Lines 4e and 5 of Table E-3 in AR 601-280."


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