Hallo Guys
I have a question :
If a Special Forces Officer ( with the special forces tab qualification ) is transferred in another unit “No Airborne” qualified ( example Inscom or Infantry div.) still will wear :

- The green beret with the flash for “Special Forces personnel in non special force units”
- The green beret with the standard Army-Flash
- Wear the standard black beret with the standard Army-Flash

I have read the AR-670-1 ...but I don’t understand

Thank you from Italy

Should he pcs to a straight leg unit, he would wear his qualification tab, etc. Otherwise, his uniform would be that of his new parent command.
Unless, he was maybe TDY as a liason officer of some kind.
Officer or enlisted, this would be the case.
Somebody with more recent service may want to pitch in if that's not correct.

I think you would wear the Green Beret with the SF Flash for SF personnel not assigned to an SF unit.

++http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/FlashTrim/Special%20Forces%20Personnel%20not%20in%20Special%20Forces%20Units.htm

It says that it was amended in 2006 to be worn by SF personnel in non SF units or 18 series CMF not in a SF position. So...........you know, that's what I think. I would check though.

Cavour,

If Special Forces personnel, whether officer or enlisted, are on TDY to a non-SF unit, then they wear the uniform of the sending unit (uniform includes beret, flash and unit D.I. or crest). Special Forces personnel PCSd to non-SF units acting in their capacity as SF soldiers wear a green beret and a flash especially for such personnel. SF personnel assigned to SF Groups, SF Command, USAJFKSWCS, the theater Special Operation Commands, USASOC, USSOC, JSOC or JOSOC all wear their Green Beret with the flash/crest of that unit.

If a Special Forces soldier is no longer assigned to a Special Forces billet, and PCSs to a non-SF/non-SO unit, then he retains only the long tab, and wears only the uniform of the receiving unit, including the beanie everyone else is wearing in that unit; black, maroon (if on jump status), or tan (if a Ranger billet and the soldier is Ranger tabbed).

The best part of this is that when you get there, the receiving unit will certainly let you know.

Good shot Don. The only guys I have known to move from an SF billet to a Abn or Leg billet, and made out like bandits were CSM. However, as Don so eloquently explained the procedure for wearing SF apparel, here is a personal experience, with a word of advice, if you have a choice, stay away from conventional units, unless you can't handle the SF routine. I only had 13 years in Group, but now a guy can stay 35 years in SF if he wants to. This is the route I'd takd if I had to do it all over again.

November 1973, B/10SFGA, I received orders for reassignment to a combat arms First Sergeant Slot. (Per my request ((23 yrs in the Army, 6 yrs in grade and no "Diamond"; I wanted one~a personal goal from '53)). I departed on direct orders to B/1/16/1stIDF as the Company First Sergeant.

I spent two+ years as a Division Trouble Shooter, per sa; got a problem, send Ringland, he will fix it. Chronologically, here is what I did for my three years: (1.) B/1/16 = 1SG 6 months, (2.) HHC/1/16 = 1SG 3 months, (3.) HHC/1stIDF = Div G3 Ops Sgt 3 months, (4.) HHC/1IDF= Div IG NCOIC 3 months, (5.) 1stAG/1st IDF = 1SG 7 months. When I received orders for the 1st AD for my next stateside assignment, I discovered they was a rotational unit, due for rotation to Germany in three months. I said up yours jack, I'm out of here; I submitted my retirement papers.

Was that the smart thing to do, questionable. However my son was already on Smoke Bomb Hill and I didn't want to rain on his parade. Again that wasn't too smart either, but three years of the worst days in my career was too much to stomach.

Now, on the bright side, I wore my SF Patch on the right shoulder, and the Big Red One on the left shoulder. We didn't have the SF Tab, back then, but if we did, I would have worn in on the left shoulder over the Big Red One. On my fatigues I wore the SF Patch and Abn tab on my right shoulder, but, on my Class A I wore the SF Patch and Abn tab on one Green and the 7thIDF (Korea) on the other set. The Khaki was treated in the same manner, every other one.

While I was goofing off (Nov-Jan) in the Richmond, VA a/o awaiting retirement, I submitted a letter to DA, requesting reinstatement to the SF Rolls, for any future call-ups. Surprisingly, one month after I retired, I received orders assigning me to the SF Command at Fort Bragg, NC; until I was 65 years of age, at which time I would be permanently retired............Jim

I wasnt SF and I have been out of circulation for some time. But when I was in ROTC, I remember seeing ROTC cadre wearing green berets and there being a regulation permitting qualified Soldiers assigned to ROTC to wear the beret. There may have been another loophole or two like this.

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Originally posted by 300_Spartans:
I wasnt SF and I have been out of circulation for some time. But when I was in ROTC, I remember seeing ROTC cadre wearing green berets and there being a regulation permitting qualified Soldiers assigned to ROTC to wear the beret. There may have been another loophole or two like this.

Selected ROTC and JROTC instructor billets are SF and SF Reserve slots, and have been for many years...TDY slots from either the Groups or the Schoolhouse (USAIMA/USAJFKCENMA in my day, now USAJFKSWCS), and they wear the flash and crest of the sending unit, or, if JROTC, the flash for SF personnel assignned to a non-SF unit (a USA Reserve Command).

ROTC/JROTC instructor assignments are "recruiting tools". If your instructor wears a greenie beanie your average college punk is going to look up to him (and listen) more than if he was motor T (not that motor T doesn't get into the s@@@ now a days, but appearances are everything to the young).

The recruiting command falls under the same classification. I met an SFC at the local office, who was SF, and he wore his Beret. Actually, back in the early sixties, just after the start of SFTG, we "lost" several NCO from the Hill who volunteered for recruiting command when they decided it was time to hire fresh from high school. I was on the Branch Committee at the time.

Speaking of earned respect from the students; back in the late 90's I was a Substitute Teacher in the Cobb County (GA) high school system. I was forewarned by a fellow RTO from long, long ago, about the rude, rowdy kids in the system, so I made it a point to identify myself during the introduction. I never had any problem with any of the young ladies and gentlemen. It is all a point of perspective, Gentlemen..............Jim

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I never had any problem with any of the young ladies...

I actively support the practice of ROTC instructors wearing their SF beanies. I was a prior service 18E before I went to OCS at Ft. Benning. TDY at Ft. Gordon for my Officer Basic Course (OBC), I noticed two things right away:

1) There were a heck of a lot more females in Signal OBC than in Infantry OBC.

2) I can't tell you the number of times a female sidled up to me in private to "confess" a secret rush on her former SF ROTC instructor (and by default, yours truly).

I sure do miss SF. Hard to believe I have been retired now for 20yrs this Jan.
If my body and my family would have left me alone I'd still be in now. I'd either be a CSM or a E-4. Depends who my Gp Commander was.

A few years back, at LDAC, there was a QP going through LDAC as a Cadet. In front of everyone, this leg CPT shouts out and commands "hey hero, around here you're going to have to take that tab off your shoulder!"

Everyone looks at the QP and without missing a beat he replies, "Sir, if you want it off, you can come over here and try to take it off, Sir". The CPT realized he was an idiot, put his cover on and walked out of the building mumbling to himself.


Needless to say, it stayed on for the duration of those weak/wasteful 5 weeks.

I recall when I did my SF Medical OJT at Ft Gordon, the cadre wanted the SF troops to wear the shiny helmet liners for a parade. My class leader (Delbert Broberg) & I placed a call back to 5th Gp Cdr, who called the hospital commander, and was informed that in no uncertain terms would his troops wear any other head gear other than the Green Beret for any function.

The hospital commander told his CSM (Jim Scurry)who informed the Company 1SG to leave us the **** alone. Funny, we were never invited back to march in their parades after that.

And it just broke your little heart, didn't it Toby, not to be invited back to their parade?

Hey Guys, Jim Scurry is an old time SF Medic, and question if he was he reason you guys were "shunned" and not invited to any more parades...........Naugh, he woldn't do something like that, as he knows how we so love to parade...............Jim

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Originally posted by noestoyqui:
"hey hero, around here you're going to have to take that tab off your shoulder!"

Nothing like proving you're an idiot in front of an audience.