Beginning in 1956, DOD ordered military to began placing a secret coded number on the DD-214 of ALL 26 Million vets without their knowledge, called a SPN/SPD code. Go to; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1654029577076223754 90min. "Veterans Forum" show talks about codes & theft of BILLIONS from V.A. A must see.

Hmmmm.

quote:

Originally posted by EdwinCrosby:
Beginning in 1956, DOD ordered military to began placing a secret coded number on the DD-214 of ALL 26 Million vets without their knowledge, called a SPN/SPD code. Go to; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1654029577076223754 90min. "Veterans Forum" show talks about codes & theft of BILLIONS from V.A. A must see.

This is without a doubt one of the most convincing of any conspiracies I have seen with regard to the military and the VA....I hope this has to be paid back to all who have been duped!

http://www.landscaper.net/discharg.htm

List of Spin Codes

SPN Code
Description

21L Enlisted Personnel - Separation for good & sufficient reason when determined by secretarial authority.
21T Enlisted Personnel - Release of REP 63 trainees due to emergency conditions. (Does not apply to active duty.)
21U Separation for failure to demonstrate adequate potential for promotion.
28B Unfitness, frequent involvement in incidents of a discreditable nature with civil or military authorities.
28G Unfitness, an established pattern for showing dishonorable failure to contribute adequate support to dependents or failure to comply with order, decrees, or judgment of a civil court concerning support of dependents
38A Desertion/trial deemed inadvisable (WW2) Rescinded.

38B Desertion/trial deemed inadvisable (peacetime desertion) Rescinded.
38C Desertion/trial deemed inadvisable (Korean War). Rescinded
41A Apathy, lack of interest

41C To accept a teaching position.
41D Discharge of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment who completed 20 years active federal service, do not submit application for retirement: commander determines discharge will be in best interest of the government.
41E Obesity.
46A Unsuitability, apathy, defective attitudes & inability to extend effort constructively.

46B Sexual deviate.
46C Apathy/obesity.
51B Resignation - In lieu of elimination because of unfitness or unacceptable conduct.
70A Mandatory retirement - 35 years service/five years In grade. Regular army major general.

70B Mandatory retirement - age 62, regular army major general.
70C Mandatory retirement 60, regular Army mayor general whose retirement has been deferred.
70D Mandatory retirement - age 64, regular Army major general whose retirement has been deferred & each permanent professor and the registrar of the US Military Academy.
70E Mandatory retirement - 30 years service/five years in grade, regular army brigadier general.
70F Mandatory retirement 30 years of service/five years In grade, regular colonels.
70G Mandatory retirement - 28 years service. Regular Lt. Colonels.
70J Mandatory retirement - age 60, regular commissioned officer below major general.
70K Mandatory retirement - more than 30 years active service, professors US military Academy.
70L Mandatory retirement - 30 years of more active service, regular warrant officers.
70M Mandatory retirement - age 62 regular warrant officers
77C Mandatory retirement - temporary disability retirement in lieu of or as a result of elimination proceedings.
77E Mandatory retirement - surplus In grade after 30 years service. Removal from acting list (regular Army).
77J Voluntary retirement - placement on retired list at age 60.
77M Mandatory retirement - permanent retirement by reason by physical disability
77N Mandatory retirement - paced on temporary mandatory solemnity retired list
77P Voluntary retirement in lieu of or as a result of elimination board proceedings. Regular Army & reserve commissioned officers and Warrant officers.
77R Mandatory retirement - permanent disability retirement in lieu of or as a result or elimination proceedings.
77S Voluntary retirement a regular Army & reserve commissioned officers
77T Voluntary retirement - regular Army and reserve warrant officer.
77U Voluntary retirement - regular Army commissioned officers with 30 or more years of service.
77V Voluntary retirement - enlisted personnel, voluntarily retired as commissioned officer.
77W Voluntary retirement - enlisted personnel, voluntarily retired as a warrant officer.
77X Voluntary retirement a warrant officer voluntarily retired as a commissioned officer.
77Y Mandatory retirement - retirement a director of music, USMA, as the President may direct
77Z Mandatory retirement - regular Army commissioned officers with World War 1 service.
78A Mandatory retirement - formerly retired other than for disability who while on active duty incurred a disability of at least 30%.
78B Mandatory retirement a formerly retired for disability who where on active duty suffered aggravation of disability for which he was formerly retired.
79A Voluntary REFRAD - as USAR warrant officer (aviator) to accept USAR commission (aviator) with concurrent active duty.
79B Resignation - as RA a WO (aviator) to accept USAR commission (aviator) with concurrent active duty.
94B To enter US military Academy.
201
Enlisted Personnel - Expiration of term of service (includes personnel on ADT as initial trainees).

202 Expiration of term of enlistment.
203 Expiration of term of active obligation service.
205 Release from active & transferred to reserve.
209 Release from Active Duty within 3 months of expiration of USN service.
211 Unsanitary habits
212 Honorable wartime service subsequent to desertion.
213 Discharge for retirement as an officer.
214 To accept commission as an officer in the Army, or to accept recall to active duty as an Army Reserve officer
215 To accept appointment as warrant officer in the Army or to accept recall to active duty as Army Reserve warrant officer.
217 To accept commission or appointment in the Armed Forces of the United States (other than Army).
219 Erroneous induction.
220 Marriage, female only.
221 Pregnancy.
222 Parenthood
225 Minority.
226 Dependency.
227 Hardship.
229 Surviving family members.
230 Retirement after 20 years but less than 30 years active federal service.
231 Retirement after 30 years active federal service.
238 Service retirement in lieu of other administrative action.
240 Unconditional resignation of enlisted personnel serving on unspecified enlistment
241 Resignation of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment in lieu of resignation for misconduct or inefficiency.
242 Resignation of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment for the good of the service.
243 Resignation of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment in lieu of board of action when based on unfitness.
244 Resignation of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment in lieu of board action when based on unsuitability.
245 Resignation of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment in lieu of separation for disloyalty or subversion.
246 Discharge for the good of the service.
247 Unsuitability, multiple reasons.
248 Unsuitability.
258 Unfitness, multiple reasons.
251 Punitive discharge. Class I homosexual - general court martial.
252 Punitive discharge. Class I homosexual - general court martial.
253 Homosexual - board action.
255 Punitive discharge. Class II homosexual - general court martial.
256 Homosexual, acceptance of discharge in lieu of board action.
257 Unfitness, homosexual acts.
258 Unfitness, ineptitude.
260 Unsuitability, ineptitude.
261 Psychiatric or psychoneurotic disorder.
262 Behavioral disorder, bedwetter.
263 Bedwetter
264 Unsuitability, character and behavioral disorders
265 Unsuitability, character disorder
270 Placed on temporary disability retired list
271 Permanently retired by reason of physical disability
273 Physical disability with entitlement to receive severance pay.
274 Physical disability resulting from international misconduct or willful neglect or incurred during period of unauthorized absence. Not entitled to severance pay.
276 Released from EAD & revert to retired list prior to ETS.
277 Physical disability, EPTS, established by medical board. Discharged by reason of physical disability upon application by individual. Not entitled to severance pay.
278 Physical disability, EPTS, established by physical evaluation board proceedings. Not entitled to severance pay.
279 Release from EAD & revert to retired list at ETS.
280 Misconduct/fraudulent entry into the Army.
282 Misconduct/prolonged unauthorized absence for more than 1 year desertion.
283 Misconduct/AWOL trial waived or deemed inadvisable.
284 Misconduct/convicted or adjudged a juvenile offender by a civil court during current term of active military service.
285 Initially adjudged a juvenile offender by a civil court during current term of active military service. Rescinded.
287 Unclean habits, including repeated VD
289 Alcoholism
290 Desertion (court martial).
293 Other than desertion (general court martial).
294 Special court martial.
311 Alien without legal residence in the United States.
312 Separation of members of Reserve components on active duty who, due to age, would be precluded from attaining eligibility pay as provided by 10 USC 1331.1337.
313 To immediately enlist or reenlist.
314 Importance to national health, safety or interest
316 Release, lack of jurisdiction.
318 Conscientious objection.
319 Erroneous enlistment
320 To accept employment law enforcement agency.
333 Discharge of Cuban volunteers upon completion of specified training. Rescinded.
344 Release of Cuban volunteers upon completion of specified training. Rescinded.
367 Aggressive reaction.
369 Cyclothymic personality. (A mood disorder characterized by numerous hypomanic and depressive periods with symptoms like those of manic and major depressive episodes but of lesser severity).
370 Released from EAD by reason of physical disability & revert to inactive status for the purpose of retirement under Title 10. USC Sections 1331 - 1337, in lieu of discharge with entitlement to receive severance pay.
375 Discharge because of not meeting medical fitness standards at time of enlistment.
376 Release from military Control (void Inductions) because of not meeting medical fitness standards at time of induction.
377 Non - fulfillment of enlistment commitment.
380 Desertion/trial barred by 10 USC Section 834 (Art 34 UCMJ). Rescinded.
381 Desertion/trial deemed inadvisable (Spanish - American War/ WWII>. Rescinded.
383 Criminalism.
384 Drug abuse
385 Pathological liars
386 Established pattern of shirking
411 Early separation of overseas returnee.
412 Enlisted members of medical holding detachments or units who, upon completion of hospitalization, do not intend to immediately enlist or reenlistment in the regular Army.
413 To enter or return to college, university, or equivalent institution.
414 To accept or return to employment of a seasonal nature.
415 Early release of inductees who have served on active duty prior their present tour of duty.
416 Physical disqualification for duty in MOS.
418 Discharge of enlisted personnel bn unspecified enlistment who complete 30 years active federal service & do not submit application for retirement.
419 Discharge of enlisted personnel on unspecified enlistment over 55 years of rage who have completed 20 years active federal service & do not submit application for retirement.
420 Discharge or release of individuals with less than 3 months remaining to serve who fail to continue as students (academic failure) at service academies.
421 Early release at Christmas will be issued as appropriate by Army & has been Included in separation edit table. Rescinded.
422 Early release at original ETS of enlisted personnel who have executed a voluntary extension. Rescinded.
423 Early release after original ETS of personnel serving on voluntary extension. Rescinded.
424 Separation at ETS after completing a period of voluntary extension. Rescinded.
425 Discharge (Inductees) to enlist ar Warrant Officer Flight Training.
426 Discharge (inductees) to enlist to attend critical MOS school.
427 Discharge (inductees) to enlist for Officer Candidate School.
428 Discharge for failure to complete Officer Candidate School.
429 Discharged because of not meeting medical fitness standards for Flight training.
430 Early separation of personnel denied reenlistment under Qualitative Management Program.
431 Reduction in authorized strength.
432 Early release to serve 1 year in an ARNG or USAR unit.
433 Involuntary release of personnel on compassionate assignment.
434 Early release of AUS & first team RA Personnel - phase down release programs (Early - out from Vietnam.)
436 Reduction In strength a USASA option/First Team.
437 AUS, RA First Team, exempted from 90 day suspension of Early Release Program for reasons for intolerable personal problems.
440 Separation for concealment of serious arrest record.
460 Emotional instability reaction.
461 Inadequate personality.
462 Mental deficiency
463 Paranoid personality.
464 Schizoid personality.
469 Unsuitability.
480 Personality disorder.
482 Desertion/trial barred by 10, USC, Sec. 843 (Art 43 UCMJ) Rescinded.
488 Unsuitability (general discharge separation).
489 Military Personnel Security Program (disloyal or subversive).
500 Resignation - hardship.
501 Resignation - national health, safety, or interest.
502 Resignation - completion of required service.
503 Resignation - enlistment in the regular Army - regular officer.
504 Resignation - withdrawal of ecclesiastical endorsement.
505 Resignation - serving under a suspended sentence or dismissal.
508 Resignation - to attend school.
510 Resignation - Interest of national security (in lieu of elimination).
522 Resignation in lieu of elimination because of conduct triable by court martial or in lieu thereof.
524 Resignation - unqualified other miscellaneous reasons
528 Resignation - marriage.
529 Resignation - pregnancy.
530 Resignation - parenthood (minor children).
536 Voluntary discharge substandard performance of duty.
539 Voluntary discharge - termination of RA or AUS warrant to retire commissioned status.
545 Voluntary discharge - failure of selection for permanent promotion (commissioned officers).
546 Involuntary discharge a failure of selection for permanent promotion (warrant officer).
550 Involuntary discharge - reasons as specified by HDQA
551 Involuntary discharge - administrative discharge GCM
554 Dismissal - General court martial.
555 Involuntary discharge - failure to complete basic, Company officer ar associate company officer course - USAR officers.
556 Failure to complete basic, company officer or associate company officer course - ARNGUS officers.
558 Voluntary discharge - conscientious objection.
586 Involuntary discharge - for reasons involving board action or in lieu thereof (homosexuality).
588 Involuntary discharge - reasons involving board action, or in lieu thereof - unfitness or unacceptable conduct.
589 Voluntary discharge - reasons involving board action or in lieu thereof, due to substandard performance of duty.
590 Involuntary discharge - interest of national security.
595 Involuntary discharge pregnancy.
596 Involuntary discharge - parenthood (minor children).
597 Voluntary discharge - administrative
599 Voluntary REFRAD - lack of jurisdiction.
600 Voluntary REFRAD - to enlist an regular Army.
601 Voluntary REFRAD - to enlist in regular Army for purpose of retirement
602 Voluntary REFRAD - national health, safety, or interest
603 Involuntary REFRAD - due to disapproval of request for extension of service.
604 Voluntary REFRAD - hardship.
606 Voluntary REFRAD - dual status officer to revert to regular Warrant Officer
609 Voluntary REFRAD - to attend school or accept a teaching position.
610 Voluntary REFRAD - marriage.
611 Voluntary REFRAD - expiration of the duty commitment voluntarily serving on active duty.
612 Voluntary REFRAD - expiration active duty commitment involuntary serving on active duty.
616 Voluntary REFRAD - selection for entrance to a service academy.
618 Voluntary REFRAD - In lieu of serving in lower grade than reserve grade.
619 Voluntary REFRAD - by request includes MC & DC officers.
620 Voluntary REFRAD - interde part mental transfer of other than medical officers.
621 Voluntary REFRAD - in lieu of unqualified resignation.
623 Voluntary REFRAD - interdepartmental transfer of medical officers
624 Voluntary REFRAD - release from ADT to enter on 24 months active duty.
625 Voluntary REFRAD - annual screening, voluntary release prior to 90th day subsequent to receipt of notification.
627 Involuntary REFRAD - maximum age.
631 Involuntary REFRAD - failure of selector for permanent reserve promotion (discharged).
632 Involuntary REFRAD - failure of selection for permanent reserve promotion (commission retained).
633 Involuntary REFRAD - failures of selection for promotion, temporary.
640 Involuntary REFRAD - commissioned officer under sentence of dismissal & warrant officer discharge awaiting appellate review.
644 Voluntary & Involuntary REFRAD - convenience of government or as specified by Secretary of the Army.
645 Involuntary REFRAD - annual screening, release on 90th day subsequent to receipt of notification.
646 Involuntary REFRAD - maximum service, warrant officers.
647 Involuntary REFRAD - maximum service, commissioned officers.
648 Involuntary REFRAD - completion of prescribed years of service.
649 Involuntary REFRAD - withdrawal of ecclesiastical endorsement.
650 Involuntary REFRAD - physically disqualified upon order to active duty.
651 Involuntary REFRAD - release of reserve unit & return to reserve status.
652 Involuntary REFRAD a release of unit of NG or NG(US) & return to state control.
655 Involuntary REFRAD - revert to retired list, not by reason of physical disability
657 Involuntary REFRAD - physical disability. Revert to inactive status for purpose of retirement under Chapter 67. 10 USC in lieu of discharge with entitlement to receive disability severance pay.
660 Physical disability discharge - entitlement to severance pay.
661 Physical disability discharge - disability resulting from intentional misconduct or willful neglect or incurred during a period of unauthorized absence. Not entitled to receive disability severance pay.
662 Physical disability discharge - EPTS, established by physical evaluation board. Not entitled to disability severance pay.
668 Dropped from rolls - AWOL conviction & confinement by civil authorities.
669 Dropped from rolls - AWOL desertion.
672 Involuntary REFRAD - medical service personnel who receive unfavorable background investigation and/or National Agency Check.
681 Voluntary REFRAD - to accept employment with a legally established law enforcement agency.
685 Resignation - failure to meet medical fitness standards at time of appointment
686 Involuntary discharge - failure to resign under Chapter 16 - AR 535 - 120. when determined to be in the best interest of the government and the individual
689 Voluntary REFRAD - reduction in strength, voluntary release prior to 90th day subsequent to receipt of notification
690 Involuntary REFRAD - reduction in strength. release on 90th day subsequent to receipt of notification.
701 Enlisted separation - early release of personnel assigned to installations or units scheduled for inactivation, permanent change of station, or demobilization.
741 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion, established retirement date, commissioned officer.
742 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion, established retirement date, warrant officer.
743 Enlisted separation - early release of personnel from release of unit of the ARNG or the ARNGUS from active federal service & return to state control.
744 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion, early retirement date, commissioned officer
745 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion. early retirement date, warrant officers.
747 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion, retained for retirement, commissioned officers.
748 Mandatory retirement - failure of selection for promotion, retained for retirement, warrant officer.
749 Enlisted separation - early release of Puerto Rican personnel who will to qualify for training.
753 Enlisted separation - early release of reserve personnel upon release of reserve units.
764 Enlisted separation - release of REP 63 trainees upon completion of MOS training.
771 Mandatory retirement - commissioned officers, unfitness or substandard performance of duty.
772 Mandatory retirement - warrant officers, unfitness or sub - standard performance of duty.
941 Dropped from rolls (as deserter).
942 Dropped from rolls (as military prisoner).
943 Dropped From rolls (as missing or captured).
944 Battle casualty.
945 Death (non - battle - resulting from disease).
946 Death (non - battle - resulting From other than disease).
947 (Current term of service voided as fraudulent enlisted, while AWOL from prior service.
949 To enter any area of the service academies (other than USMA).
971 Erroneously reported as returned from dropped from rolls as a deserter (previously reports under transaction GA).
972 Erroneously reported as restored to duty from dropped from rolls of military prisoner previously reported under transaction code GB).
973 Erroneously reported as returned from dropped from rolls or missing or captured (previously reported under transaction code GC).
976 Minority. Void enlistment or induction - enlisted personnel.

http://buperscd.technology.navy.mil/bup_updt/508/Instru...s/19008/19008EN2.htm

BUPERSINST 1900.8A

26 JAN 2004



AUTHORITY AND CODES FOR SEPARATIONS


1. PREPARATION. This enclosure contains the appropriate authority and codes for separation in the preparation of the DD 214, Certificate of Release or Discharge From Active Duty in conjunction with the Loss Event per current pay and personnel procedures directives.



2. SPECIAL CAUTION. This enclosure contains all SPD codes to be used by Navy. Special care is to be used to ensure the appropriate SPD code is used. Narrative Reason listed in the instruction is not to be altered and is to be duplicated, as listed, on the DD 214. COs are authorized to use those SPD codes in which separation authority has been delegated. Other SPD codes, which are listed, may be used upon specific authorization of NAVPERSCOM (PERS-48).



3. NAVY LOSS CODE COLUMN ABBREVIATIONS. ELS - Entry Level Separation (less than 180 days - Uncharacterized), HON - Honorable, GEN - Under Honorable Conditions (General), OTH - Under Other Than Honorable Conditions, JUD - Bad Conduct or Dishonorable (as awarded under Judicial proceedings), VOID - Void (released from military contract due to lack of naval jurisdiction).



4. SEPARATION ORDERS. Ensure enlisted separation orders are issued to members per reference (b), article 1910 series (NAVPERS 1900/2, Separation Travel Orders). A sample is provided as enclosure (5) and will be marked “For Official Use Only”.

=================================================================

Not a conspiracy - actually a fact as this BUPERS intruction is dated Jan 26, 2004.

SPD = SPN - renamed due to Congressional pressure to end SPN codes.

http://home.pacbell.net/amerhero/policy2.htm

SPN/SPD RE Code Definition Access Information

INSTRUCTIONS

You can obtain information on your DD-214 SPD/SPN or RE code two ways. But first, you should check our list to see if your SPN, SPD or RE code is on file:

SPN Codes on file
SPD Codes on file
RE Codes on file
If your code is listed in one of the files above you can access it's definition two ways:

1. Access the Worldwide Personnel Registry today using the Access software located at URL: http://www.amervets./forvets/library.htm.
(The Access software is free.)

Upon accessing The Personnel Registry... Click "DD-214 CODES" Or,

2. Complete and mail this form: http://www.amervets.com/policy3.htm

================================================================

On this website, they list the codes but not the definition of the codes. You have to conact the office on the link and request the definition of your specific code.

I am sick to my stomach reading this. One of your many exhibits you posted (April 77 posted on left corner) states that SPN codes are no longer being used. Well, they lied, they are being used. I just took a look at my DD214,(form 1 Jul 79) and my son's DD214(form 1988) (who was honorably discharged June 2004) and after Chap AR 635-200 Chap 4 it has a separation code, but the code is 3 letters, not numbers like yours. My 3 letters are different from my son's. So all those numeric codes posted can not help anyone who was issued a DD214 using those forms. SO, their back to their old tricks. I dont think I even want to know what those 3 letters stand for after all these years. I want to go to my grave knowing I did serve my country honorably.And I won't be telling my son about this either. Thanks Edwin.

SigCorpGal

Please look at Joining the Military pages. There's a thread on RE-Codes, which provides a link to the various branches and their codes.

Hopefully this will clear up your concern.

Scpd- It's not the RE codes Im concerned with , it is the separation code they used. Thanks.

quote:

Originally posted by SigCorpGal3AD:
I am sick to my stomach reading this. One of your many exhibits you posted (April 77 posted on left corner) states that SPN codes are no longer being used. Well, they lied, they are being used. I just took a look at my DD214,(form 1 Jul 79) and my son's DD214(form 1988) (who was honorably discharged June 2004) and after Chap AR 635-200 Chap 4 it has a separation code, but the code is 3 letters, not numbers like yours. My 3 letters are different from my son's. So all those numeric codes posted can not help anyone who was issued a DD214 using those forms. SO, their back to their old tricks. I dont think I even want to know what those 3 letters stand for after all these years. I want to go to my grave knowing I did serve my country honorably.And I won't be telling my son about this either. Thanks Edwin.

The difference between your DD-214 from 1979 and your son's DD-214 from 2004 is the fact that your DD-214 has an SPN code and your son has an SPD code.

THe thought process is the SAME between the two codes - it's just that Congress had ordered the military to stop using SPN codes, so they renamed the codes SPD codes and gave them a different alpha-numeric coding so they could "honestly" say to Congress that they had complied with thier orders...

SigCorpGal, tell me what is so secret about the SPD codes on your Son's 214? And how has it screwed vets out of Billions? Have some people received a code in error? Yes, Ive seen it happen, but I have also seen it corrected more often than not. Here is a short listing of the Enlisted codes for your info....

CODE REASON
GDA FRAUDULENT ENTRY
GDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
GDK MILITARY PERSONNEL SECUIRTY PROGRAM
GDT FRAUDULENT ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
GDU FRAUDULENT ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
GFC ERRONEOUS ENTRY (OTHER)
GFT PHYSICAL STANDARDS
GFV CONDITION, NOT A DISABILITY
GFX PERSONALITY DISORDER
GHJ UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE
GKA PATTERN OF MISCONDUCT
GKB MISCONDUCT (CIVIL CONVICTION)
GKD MISCONDUCT AWOL
GKF MISCONDUCT (DESERTION)
GKK MISCONDUCT (DRUG ABUSE)
GKL MISCONDUCT (SEXUAL PERVERSION)
GKM MISCONDUCT(OTHER)
GKN MISCONDUCT(MINOR INFRACTIONS)
GKQ MISCONDUCT(SERIOUS OFFENSE)
GKR MISCONDUCT(ANTHRAX REFUSAL)
GPD ALCOHOL REHABILITATION FAILURE
GRA HOMOSEXUAL ACT
GRB HOMOSEXUAL ADMISSION
GRC HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE (OR ATTEMPT)
HDA FRAUDULENT ENTRY
HDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
HDK MILITARY PERESONNEL SECURITY PROGRAM
HDT FRAUDULENT ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
HDU FRAUDULENT ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
HFC ERRONEOUS ENTRY (OTHER)
HFT PHYSICAL STANDARDS
HFV CONDITION, NOT DISABILITY
HFX PERSONALITY DISORDER
HHJ UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE
HKA PATTERN OF MISCONDUCT
HKB MISCONDUCT(CIVIL CONVICTION)
HKD MISCONDUCT(AWOL)
HKF MISCONDUCT(DESERTION)
HKK MISCONDUCT(DRUG ABUSE)
HKL MISCONDUCT(SEXUAL PERVERSION)
HKM MISCONDUCT(OTHER)
HKN MISCONDUCT(MINOR INFRACTIONS)
HKQ MISCONDUCT(SERIOUS OFFENSE)
HKR MISCONDUCT(ANTHRAX REFUSAL)
HPD ALCOHOL REHABILITATION FAILURE
HRA HOMOSEXUAL ACT
HRB HOMOSEXUAL ADMISSION
HRC HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE (OR ATTEMPT)
JBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
JBM INSUFFICIENT RETAINABILITY (ECONOMIC REASONS)
JCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
JCP ALIEN
JDA FRAUDULENT ENTRY
JDF PREGNANCY OR CHILDBIRTH
JDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
JDK MILITARY PERSONNEL SECURITY PROGRAM
JDN LACK OF JURISDICTION
JDT FRAUDULENT ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
JDU FRAUDULENT ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
JFA ERRONEOUS ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
JFB UNDER AGE
JFC ERRONEOUS ENTRY (OTHER)
JFF SECRETARIAL AUTHORITY
JFG COMPETENT AUTHORITY, WITHOUT BOARD ACTION
JFL DISABILITY, SEVERANCE PAY
JFM DISABILITY, EXISTED PRIOR TO SERVICE, PEB
JFN DISABILITY, EXISTED PRIOR TO SERVICE, MED BD
JFP DISABILITY, NOT IN LINE OF DUTY
JFQ DISABILITY, AGGRAVATION
JFR DISABILITY,OTHER
JFT PHYSICAL STANDARDS
JFU ERRONEOUS ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
JFV CONDITION, NOT A DISABILITY
JFW FAILED MEDICAL/PHYSICAL PROCUREMENT STANDARDS
JFX PERSONALITY DISORDER
JGA ENTRY LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND CONDUCT
JGH NON-RETENTION ON ACTIVE DUTY
JHD FAILURE TO COMPLETE COMMISSIONING OR WARRANT PROGRAM
JHJ UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE
JJA COURT MARTIAL (ALCOHOL)
JJB COURT MARTIAL (HOMOSEXUAL CONDUCT)
JJC COURT MARTIAL(DESERTION)
JJD COURT MARTIAL(OTHER)
JJE COURT MARTIAL(DRUG ABUSE)
JJF COURT MARTIAL(ANTHRAX REFUSAL)
JKA PATTERN OF MISCONDUCT
JKB MISCONDUCT(CIVIL CONVICTION)
JKD MISCONDUCT(AWOL)
JKF MISCONDUCT(DESERTION)
JKK MISCONDUCT(DRUG ABUSE)
JKL MISCONDUCT(SEXUAL PERVERSION)
JKM MISCONDUCT(OTHER)
JKN MISCONDUCT(MINOR INFRACTIONS)
JKQ MISCONDUCT(SERIOUS OFFENSE)
JKR MISCONDUCT(ANTHRAX REFUSAL)
JND MISCELLANEOUS/GENERAL REASONS UNSAT PARTICIPATION
JPD ALCOHOL REHABILITATION FAILURE
KBJ MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT
KBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
KBM INSUFFICIENT RETAINABILITY(ECONOMIC REASONS)
KCA EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM – VOLUNTARY SEPARATION INCENTIVE (VSI)
KCB EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM – SPECIAL SEPARATION BENEFIT (SSB)
KCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
KCF TO ATTEND SCHOOL
KCM CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR
KCP ALIEN
KCQ SURVIVING FAMILY MEMBER
KDB HARDSHIP
KDF PREGNANCY OR CHILDBIRTH
KDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
KDK MILITARY PERSONNEL SECURITY PROGRAM
KDM HOLIDAY EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM
KDN LACK OF JURISDICTION
KDS DEFECTIVE ENLISTMENT AGREEMENT
KFF SECRETARIAL AUTHORITY
KFM DISABILITY, EXISTED PRIOR TO SERVICE, PEB
KFN DISABILITY, EXISTED PRIOR TO SERVICE, MED BD
KFS IN LIEU OF TRAIL BY COURT MARTIAL
KFV CONDITION, NOT A DISABILITY
KFX PERSONALITY DISORDER
KGM ACCEPT COMMISSION OR WARRANT IN SAME BRANCH OF SERVICE
KGN ACCEPT COMMISSION OR WARRANT IN ANOTHER BRANCH OF SERVICE
KGQ INTRA-DEPARTMENTAL TRANSFER
KGX ENTER OFFICER TRAINING PROGRAM
KHC IMMEDIATE ENLISTMENT OR REENLISTMENT
KHD FAILURE TO COMPLETE COMMISSIONING OR WARRANT PROGRAM
KND SEPARATION FOR MISC/GENERAL REASONS
LBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
LBM INSUFFICIENT RETAINABILITY (ECONOMIC REASONS)
LCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
LDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
LDN LACK OF JURISDICTION
LFC ERRONEOUS ENTRY(OTHER)
LFF SECRETARIAL AUTHORITY
LFG COMPETENT AUTHORITY, WITHOUT BOARD ACTION
LFT PHYSICAL STANDARDS
LFW FAILED MEDICAL/PHYSICAL PROCUREMENT STANDARDS
LFX PERSONALITY DISORDER
LGA ENTRY LEVEL PERFORMANCE AND CONDUCT
LGH NON-RETENTION ON ACTIVE DUTY
LHD FAILURE TO COMPLETE COMMISSIONING OR WARRANT PROGRAM
LHJ UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE
LND MISCELLANEOUS/GENERAL REASONS
MBJ MEDAL OF HONOR RECIPIENT
MBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
MBM INSUFFICIENT RETAINABILITY ECONOMIC REASONS)
MCA EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM – VOLUNTARY SEPARATION INCENTIVE (VSI)
MCB EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM – SPECIAL SEPARATION BENEFIT (SSB)
MCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
MCF TO ATTEND SCHOOL
MCQ SURVIVING FAMILY MEMBER
MDB HARDSHIP
MDF PREGNANCY OR CHILDBIRTH
MDG PARENTHOOD OR CUSTODY OF MINOR CHILDREN
MDM HOLIDAY EARLY RELEASE PROGRAM
MDS DEFECTIVE ENLISTMENT AGREEMENT
MFF SECRETARIAL AUTHORITY
MGH NON-RETENTION ON ACTIVE DUTY
MGP INTER-DEPARTMENTAL TRANSFER
MGQ INTRA-DEPARTMENTAL TRANSFER
MGU ENROLLMENT IN SERVICE ACADEMY
MHC IMMEDIATE ENLISTMENT OR
MND MISCELLANEOUS/ GENERAL REASONS
NBD SUFFICIENT SERVICE FOR RETIREMENT
NBE EARLY RETIREMENT (15 YEARS)
PKB MISCONDUCT(CIVIL CONVICTION)
PKD MISCONDUCT(AWOL)
PKF MISCONDUCT(DESERTION)
RBB MAXIMUM AGE
RBC MAXIMUM SERVICE/TIME IN GRADE
RBD SUFFICIENT SERVICE FOR RETIREMENT
RBE EARLY RETIREMENT
RCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
SBE EARLY RETIREMENT
SCC REDUCTION IN FORCE
SFJ DISABILITY, PERMANENT
SFK DISABILITY, TEMPORARY
VBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
VFJ DISABILITY, PERMANENT
VFK DISABILITY, TEMPORARY
WFJ DISABILITY, PERMANENT
WFK DISABILITY, TEMPORARY
WFQ DISABILITY, AGGRAVATION
XBK COMPLETION OF REQUIRED ACTIVE SERVICE
YCP ALIEN
YDA FRAUDULENT ENTRY INTO MILITARY SERVICE
YDN LACK OF JURISDICTION
YDT FRAUDULENT ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
YDU FRAUDULENT ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
YFA ERRONEOUS ENTRY (ALCOHOL ABUSE)
YFB UNDER AGE
YFC ERRONEOUS ENTRY (OTHER)
YFU ERRONEOUS ENTRY (DRUG ABUSE)
YPA PERSONAL ALCOHOL ABUSE
YPB PERSONAL DRUG ABUSE


So, which one of these are you disagreeing with?

DiscountAttic- I'm looking at both DD214s right now, they both state: separation code in box 26, mine is JBK, my son's MBK and I just read the codes so we are OK. Thanks for the heads up.

NavyGrunt_ I never stated that any of us was "screwed", but I find it reprehensible that the military had the gall to throw in special codes as part of an honorable discharge on a DD214 and this can be accomplished by anyone in PERSCOM who without proof decides to crap up a DD214.

quote:

Originally posted by SigCorpGal3AD:
NavyGrunt_ I never stated that any of us was "screwed", but I find it reprehensible that the military had the gall to throw in special codes as part of an honorable discharge on a DD214 and this can be accomplished by anyone in PERSCOM who without proof decides to crap up a DD214.

NP on the heads-up. I absolutely agree with your assessment about the DOD doing this crap too - NOBODY should be putting codes on official documentation without the EXPRESS CONSENT AND COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING from the person signing the document (whether they are positive codes or derogatory codes).

My DD-214 does not have any SPN or SPD codes on it (thank God), but my husband's DD-214 does. Although they are positive codes from what I can tell, they still should NOT be there.

His situation with the SPN codes is so fruadulent, that the Army actually hand-wrote them on to his DD-214 AFTER he and his XO had signed the DD-214. If you look at his form, the entire document was typed - and in the blocks where they re-enlistment or SPN/SPD codes were supposed to be entered, dashes had been typed into those blocks.

My hubby signed for his DD-214 and then someone went back to his file AFTER he had signed for the document and hand wrote the codes in the blocks DESPITE the fact that dashes had been filled into those blocks.

THIS IS FRUADULENT ACTION TAKEN ON THE PART OF THE ARMY, and frankly if this had been MY DD-214, I would file a law-suit against the government for the action taken by its representatives.

If the Army did this to a soldier's DD-214 who got good marks, what did they to the ones who didn't get good marks? IT SIMPLY HAS TO STOP ALTOGETHER.

In the HR world it is OUTRIGHT illegal for a previous employer to comment on a person's character. The previous employer can be sued for BIG BUCKS if the former employee discovers that they were not offered employment due to a previous employer's comments - and here the DOD is not only violating this law - but overtly engaging in practice

Why do we use the SPD codes? The “Special Codes” you are referring to are required buy the same Bean Counters in DC that ordered the change from SPN codes. It is a form of tracking the loss of personnel, and for what reason. For example if the house oversight committee wants to know, out of how many personnel that were Honorably discharged in say 2006, were discharged early to attend college the SPD code KCF will allow for a quick accounting of those personnel. On the same note, if the Secretary of Defense’s office wants to know how many personnel were discharged with an OTH for Drug Abuse the SPD code of HKK will show the numbers.

We all know that there will always be some earthsacks out there that will try to screw someone over by going back and trying to change a code on a 214 after the fact. Does it happen a lot? Not really, but I can tell you from personal experience that it does from time to time. I have a Cousin who was in the USAF, and was one of those people that it did happen to. He did not find out until he had applied for unemployment and job assistance with the state employment agency. Someone had changed his Discharge Charter to Dishonorable, the RE Code to 4 and the SPD code to JJC Needless to say that did not go over very well with the employment agency. Especially when he had his original 214s (long and short forms). To make a long story short. We contacted the IG office and had the situation taken care of. Now there is one less GS-6 working for the USAF. The person was found guilty of forgery & falsifying an official document and is now cooling their heels in federal prison for the next 5 years. My cousin is now employed, the computer database has been corrected and every this is as it should be.

Bottom line is the DD 214 is an official document that can have a lasting effect on your life. BEFORE YOU SIGN THE THING MAKE SURE THAT EVERY THING IS CORRECT. If you do not know what something is ASK! The person who is preparing the document is required by LAW, Service instructions/regulations, AND DOD REGULATIONS to inform you what everything means. Including, but not limited to the SPD codes. By your signature you have affirmed that you have been informed and know about everything listed on your 214.

If you or anyone else suspect that your code or anything else for that matter has been changed on your 214 it is in your best interest to contact the Issuing command at once. If that does not work contact the Inspector Generals office as well as your elected officials. If you are in the right, it will be corrected.

To Discountattic-That is SO fraudulent!! SOunds like they were waitng on someone to fill in those codes on your husband with something other than positive. GEEZ! The DOD gives license to these S-1s and Perscoms to do what ever they please and it could be some knucklehead CO who happens to have it out with any soldier. WHat's strange is how they impress upon you to look over your DD214 so carefully to make sure you didnt leave out any schools or medals you want recorded but never mention that box for codes. Well it is a heads up for any soldier who is being discharged, hope they read this.

The base commanders were responsible for giving out the codes. By assigning False & stigmatizing codes to enough veterans, they can then take the VA CLAIM NO: also a financial code number, its sent to VA Main Frame Computers in AUSTIN, TX ( main financial computer ) give a phony name once the real vet shows up a the door for benefits, pay the phony, and the real vet is denied, delayed for years. Remember, this was discovered by WATERGATE COMMITTEE, free up your mind, think on that one. Those sissy boys in D.C. who never served don't care if JOE nobody gets a bad code, your just money in the bank to them. Problem is, when vets get going in one direction, these backstabbers will get run over, and justice will be served. Try this on for size; in 1 year, about 35,000 vets were given code for character & behavior disorder, NOW, those coming home from IRAQ are being labeled as PERSONALITY DISORDER, pre-military service, SAY WHAT, how did they know that ? These theives will get caught, those who helped in this insidious system will get theirs as well. Its coming, AMEN !!

quote:

Originally posted by EdwinCrosby:
The base commanders were responsible for giving out the codes. By assigning False & stigmatizing codes to enough veterans, they can then take the VA CLAIM NO: also a financial code number, its sent to VA Main Frame Computers in AUSTIN, TX ( main financial computer ) give a phony name once the real vet shows up a the door for benefits, pay the phony, and the real vet is denied, delayed for years. Remember, this was discovered by WATERGATE COMMITTEE, free up your mind, think on that one. Those sissy boys in D.C. who never served don't care if JOE nobody gets a bad code, your just money in the bank to them. Problem is, when vets get going in one direction, these backstabbers will get run over, and justice will be served. Try this on for size; in 1 year, about 35,000 vets were given code for character & behavior disorder, NOW, those coming home from IRAQ are being labeled as PERSONALITY DISORDER, pre-military service, SAY WHAT, how did they know that ? These theives will get caught, those who helped in this insidious system will get theirs as well. Its coming, AMEN !!

Like to know where you get your info on this? read the DOD, USA, USMC, USN, USCG, USAF instructions. What finacne code? There is no finance code on a 214 or any of the computer systems used during a seperation of a military member.

I'm failing to see any direct or indirect connection to any conspiracy as alleged by this topic's author.
In fact, this same series of allegations/conspiracys were presented last year and recently on another site by this same author.
I'm not buying this latest bundle of goods.

Sounds like someone got a code of HKK, because someone is sure acting like they love huffing the Cheba!

Any way once someone has made up his or her mind about something it is almost always pointless to try and show them what they are saying is NUTS. More than one person has given the TRUE information to the POSTER, but they still cannot read it and have the light bulb turn on. Sort of goes fiszit instead of ding!

Let me add a point I feel is important.

When I was getting appointed to the police dept it involved a considerable background investigation. We were run through credit checks, polygraph, neighborhood canvass, etc. I was worried about the RE code, SPN number, and perhaps an Art 15 that occured years back. The Applicant Investigation Officer didn't seem the least bit concerned over these matters. He looked at the overall picture and approved me.

As a silly example, society couldn't care less if your military CO banged you one for being out of uniform one day. Having no hat on doesn't transfer to the civie side.

NAVY GRUNT, since I am the one who took lawsuit to U.S. Supreme court, I have all the documents. FIRST, D.O.D. assigns a VA CLAIM NO: not the military. This claim number is used to identify a particular veteran with the V.A. and the bean counters who figured "how much the war will cost" included medical treatment/disability. That VA Claim # pays out benefits to that veteran. Not so hard to understand once you "follow the moola".

HUFFY, let me see, you see nothing wrong with branding human beings with a number, depriving them of Due Process of Law, blacklisting them from jobs, benefits, & those items deemed orderly in a democratic society ? You Hitler youth corps or what. YES, this has been posted up on internet in past, corrupt judicial system preventing those who dreamed up this insidious system from being tried for war crimes & genocide. I appeared before Federal Grand Jury & they indicted a Governor for just those crimes. Perhaps you should let those who lead handle this sordid matter, and there are many around the country who are involved in stopping this treasonable system. When you take an oath to uphold, protect, and defend the U.S. Constitution, it doesn't end when you take off the uniform. I know this, others seem to forget. That oath is for life, screw your party politics, the Constitution is at stake, that IS the POINT !!

Watched your program on line. This is my opinion. Sir, you need help. It appears to me in my again "opinion" that you enjoy attention and creating law suits. Has the US Supreme Court even heard your case yet? You stated on your TV program you were given a code that stated you mishandled personal affairs. While your 214 shows a code of 411 Early separation of overseas returnee. Which is it? Did you ever receive a 215 to correct this?

Where is this VA claim number you are talking about on the 214? Was there as you say rampant misuse of the codes? Perhaps there was in the past. The VA has had a very bad reputation for abuse of vets, that is not a secret at all.

Again, have you read the changes to the DOD/ARMY/NAVY/AIRFORCE/MARINE CORPS/COAST GUARD REGS and instructions that are current? We use the codes to show why a person was discharged, it also requires an explanation of the code on the 214. Codes are not malicious, not malevolent, and no conspiracy. Its no secret. It never was. If you will look at the Narrative Reason For Separation (Block 28-DD214-Member-4 Copy) will tell you the exact definition of the SPD code. Member Copy 4 tells you all the data you need to know, even what the Separation Authority was, i.e. A SECNAV Message, Army Reg.

Where are the regulations you state on the TV program that prohibit telling the Vets what the codes are? Haven’t ever seen it. In fact we are required to explain everything on the 214 to the member.

Not saying that there is not, nor never has been earthsacks in the government that have been doing things on the down low. It does happen. But as I, and others have stated before here on Military.com and other sites for that mater, the codes are issued to all personnel upon separation from the service and an explanation as to why they were separated is shown.

Anyway if you want a new DD 214 without a SPN code and you were in the US Army, submit a written requests to have a SPN code removed from your DD 214 (Report of Separation From Active Duty) or earlier discharge papers, to:

Commander
Reserve Components Personnel
& Administrative Center
Box 12479
Ollivette Branch
St. Louis, MO 63132

Grunt (and the other doubters on the forum), There are TWO things that I think you need to remember before assuming Crosby is a kook or a saber rattler:

1. Crosby took his case against the DOD all the way to the United States Supreme court - it would have NEVER gotten that far if his case had no merit - so there is something DEFINTELY there that we should ALL be aware of - and, in fact, probably pissed-off about.

2. I have seen the FRAUDULENT behavior for myself with my husband's DD-214. His DD-214 was totally typed and EVERY BLOCK filled in with SOMETHING (whether it be a series of dashes to fill an empty block or something actually needing to be filled in like his name and so on) - I saw both his signature on the bottom of the document with his XO's signature right next to his - AND I SAW THE HANDWRITTEN CODES ENTERED AFTER EVERYTHING HAD BEEN DONE TO INCLUDE the signatures from both him and his XO.

This statement is for Grunt specifically as he was a Personnelman: As I was a Yeoman when I was active duty, I am fully aware of how official documents are processed (and you can correct me if you think I am wrong - that is why I am directing this statement to you). When we are typing an official document (of course now we use word procesing programs with computers - but before we used typewriters), and we make an error, we don't submit the document until it is corrected. We make the correction (usually by shredding the one with the mistake and re-doing the document over again without the mistake). THIS IS HOW I KNOW THAT THE SPN CODES WERE ADDED TO MY HUSBAND'S DD-214 AFTER THE DOCUMENT HAD BEEN SIGNED AND SUBMITTED - They Were Handwritten! It would have been IMPOSSIBLE to type them in afterward as HE HAD HIS COPY from the form stack (I think they were processed in quadrulpicate) - AND there were dashes typed into the block already.

No self-respecting PN or YN (Army equivalent in this case) would have allowed a document go out of his or her office with handwritten codes on them when they could have easily been TYPED into the blocks - and this particular PN (or Army equivalent) was so diligent that he actually typed dashes in the spaces to ensure that EVERY block was filled in - so I KNOW that the codes WERE NOT THERE PRIOR TO SIGNATURE. This blatent act of fraud is why I KNOW that Crosby's statements have merit and teeth - and, frankly, I would LOVE to know how far this rabbit hole goes.

If, however, you think I am way off base here, let me know; I value your input.

quote:

Originally posted by EdwinCrosby:
HUFFY, let me see, you see nothing wrong with branding human beings with a number, depriving them of Due Process of Law, blacklisting them from jobs, benefits, & those items deemed orderly in a democratic society ? You Hitler youth corps or what. YES, this has been posted up on internet in past, corrupt judicial system preventing those who dreamed up this insidious system from being tried for war crimes & genocide. I appeared before Federal Grand Jury & they indicted a Governor for just those crimes. Perhaps you should let those who lead handle this sordid matter, and there are many around the country who are involved in stopping this treasonable system. When you take an oath to uphold, protect, and defend the U.S. Constitution, it doesn't end when you take off the uniform. I know this, others seem to forget. That oath is for life, screw your party politics, the Constitution is at stake, that IS the POINT !!

Post a link for your claim of being involved in the indictment of a Governor or you just lost all credibility.

quote:

Originally posted by DiscountAttic:
Grunt (and the other doubters on the forum), There are TWO things that I think you need to remember before assuming Crosby is a kook or a saber rattler:

1. Crosby took his case against the DOD all the way to the United States Supreme court - it would have NEVER gotten that far if his case had no merit - so there is something DEFINTELY there that we should ALL be aware of - and, in fact, probably pissed-off about.

2. I have seen the FRAUDULENT behavior for myself with my husband's DD-214. His DD-214 was totally typed and EVERY BLOCK filled in with SOMETHING (whether it be a series of dashes to fill an empty block or something actually needing to be filled in like his name and so on) - I saw both his signature on the bottom of the document with his XO's signature right next to his - AND I SAW THE HANDWRITTEN CODES ENTERED AFTER EVERYTHING HAD BEEN DONE TO INCLUDE the signatures from both him and his XO.

This statement is for Grunt specifically as he was a Personnelman: As I was a Yeoman when I was active duty, I am fully aware of how official documents are processed (and you can correct me if you think I am wrong - that is why I am directing this statement to you). When we are typing an official document (of course now we use word procesing programs with computers - but before we used typewriters), and we make an error, we don't submit the document until it is corrected. We make the correction (usually by shredding the one with the mistake and re-doing the document over again without the mistake). THIS IS HOW I KNOW THAT THE SPN CODES WERE ADDED TO MY HUSBAND'S DD-214 AFTER THE DOCUMENT HAD BEEN SIGNED AND SUBMITTED - They Were Handwritten! It would have been IMPOSSIBLE to type them in afterward as HE HAD HIS COPY from the form stack (I think they were processed in quadrulpicate) - AND there were dashes typed into the block already.

No self-respecting PN or YN (Army equivalent in this case) would have allowed a document go out of his or her office with handwritten codes on them when they could have easily been TYPED into the blocks - and this particular PN (or Army equivalent) was so diligent that he actually typed dashes in the spaces to ensure that EVERY block was filled in - so I KNOW that the codes WERE NOT THERE PRIOR TO SIGNATURE. This blatent act of fraud is why I KNOW that Crosby's statements have merit and teeth - and, frankly, I would LOVE to know how far this rabbit hole goes.

If, however, you think I am way off base here, let me know; I value your input.

I too have seen some shenanigans from personnel where documents were fraudulent, altered, forged, but such does not make a conspiracy. It is criminal, but it does not indicated the system itself is corrupt, only that it is imperfect and leadership is not monitoring what the admin office is doing, or is abeting the crimes.

In my NG unit, a personnel clerk was forging "NO" answers to the SGLI benefit and showing no beneficiaries or next of kin information for many of the soldiers in my unit. I personally checked out my platoon's records and discovered this fact.

My "discussion" with that clerk was not exactly civil, and invoked scenarios where said clerk received bodily damages if the records were not immediately corrected. That was the closest I have ever come to an Article 15, as I was a millimeter from beating the snot out of the frakkin POS right in the orderly office.

Overall this is just another single focus, out of context rant from Mr. Crosby, who equates a code on a form with the collapse of all civilization. He has claimed to have been in lots of hearings, involved in public exposes, so let him link THOSE before we get too excited about his claims.

quote:

...My "discussion" with that clerk was not exactly civil, and invoked scenarios where said clerk received bodily damages if the records were not immediately corrected. That was the closest I have ever come to an Article 15, as I was a millimeter from beating the snot out of the frakkin POS right in the orderly office.

Overall this is just another single focus, out of context rant from Mr. Crosby, who equates a code on a form with the collapse of all civilization. He has claimed to have been in lots of hearings, involved in public exposes, so let him link THOSE before we get too excited about his claims.

Thank you for the story - I actually breathed a sigh of relief to know that someone else has experienced this type of fraud and was able to do something about it (even if it wasn't the most civil) .

Now on to Crosby. I appreciate him whether you all think he is over-the-top or not. Remember that he is battling this "thing" - this ugly "thing" that is laying just under the surface of normal conversation and just outside of acceptable behavior - for more than 20 years now. I would think that he probably has an undiagnosed case of PTSD from all the fighting by now... He is battling a "they" - not one person or entity - but a nameless, faceless "they" where the "who's" "what's" and "where's" keep changing and how do you capture (or better still - kill) something that moves just outside of acceptable and just under the surface of normal?

He's talking about some serious crap that has the potential to effect an entire generation of veterans and only a select few are privvy to this... Something that he (a decorated combat special forces veteran) accidentally stumbled onto and probably wanted NO part of.

If he seems hyper-sensitive, forgive him - and take what he's saying with a grain of salt - but not with a wink and nudge because he's fighting a battle for us on our behalf whether we believe the battle to be real or imagined.

quote:

Originally posted by DiscountAttic:

quote:

...My "discussion" with that clerk was not exactly civil, and invoked scenarios where said clerk received bodily damages if the records were not immediately corrected. That was the closest I have ever come to an Article 15, as I was a millimeter from beating the snot out of the frakkin POS right in the orderly office.

Overall this is just another single focus, out of context rant from Mr. Crosby, who equates a code on a form with the collapse of all civilization. He has claimed to have been in lots of hearings, involved in public exposes, so let him link THOSE before we get too excited about his claims.

Thank you for the story - I actually breathed a sigh of relief to know that someone else has experienced this type of fraud and was able to do something about it (even if it wasn't the most civil) .

Now on to Crosby. I appreciate him whether you all think he is over-the-top or not. Remember that he is battling this "thing" - this ugly "thing" that is laying just under the surface of normal conversation and just outside of acceptable behavior - for more than 20 years now. I would think that he probably has an undiagnosed case of PTSD from all the fighting by now... He is battling a "they" - not one person or entity - but a nameless, faceless "they" where the "who's" "what's" and "where's" keep changing and how do you capture (or better still - kill) something that moves just outside of acceptable and just under the surface of normal?

He's talking about some serious crap that has the potential to effect an entire generation of veterans and only a select few are privvy to this... Something that he (a decorated combat special forces veteran) accidentally stumbled onto and probably wanted NO part of.

If he seems hyper-sensitive, forgive him - and take what he's saying with a grain of salt - but not with a wink and nudge because he's fighting a battle for us on our behalf whether we believe the battle to be real or imagined.

Thanks for the reply! Ok, if he wants to play Don Quiote, I hope he finds his Dulcinea and gets his dragons in the end, hopefully without hurting himself, his family or his finances!