http://www.infowars.com/?p=1123

Ridiculous. The average man and woman are not valued by the "elite" who wage wars globally to gain power. Muslims are painted as subhuman via the mainstream media to justify their slaughter.

al-Maliki is a pawn who has sold out to the globalist "elite." He is no more important than Saddam Hussein was to them. Regardless of who he's been pressured by, chances are they also are in the employ of the "elite."

Even the so-called "terrorists" who fight against Iraqi and US forces grow out of the "elite's" workings in the past. Many of them were created and/or enabled by the intelligence community, which works for the "elite."

Bush claims such operations are bringing "us" closer to victory, yet our borders here at home remain wide open. We are vulnerable. Our "leaders" are not acting in our best interest.

This chaos will continue to spread around the world unless people wake up and take back the power that is supposed to be ours. We must change direction or humanity will end itself. Look to the principles upon which America was founded and has now drifted so far from. They are the solution.

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Originally posted by dthtothenwo:
http://www.infowars.com/?p=1123

Ridiculous. The average man and woman are not valued by the "elite" who wage wars globally to gain power. Muslims are painted as subhuman via the mainstream media to justify their slaughter.

al-Maliki is a pawn who has sold out to the globalist "elite." He is no more important than Saddam Hussein was to them. Regardless of who he's been pressured by, chances are they also are in the employ of the "elite."

Even the so-called "terrorists" who fight against Iraqi and US forces grow out of the "elite's" workings in the past. Many of them were created and/or enabled by the intelligence community, which works for the "elite."

Bush claims such operations are bringing "us" closer to victory, yet our borders here at home remain wide open. We are vulnerable. Our "leaders" are not acting in our best interest.

This chaos will continue to spread around the world unless people wake up and take back the power that is supposed to be ours. We must change direction or humanity will end itself. Look to the principles upon which America was founded and has now drifted so far from. They are the solution.

From the land of Oz, I presume -

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Originally posted by Bergy77:
Please let us get to know you, put something in your bio.

I updated my profile a bit. There's really not much to know about me. Concerning the info I've posted, however, those who seek the truth should get to know it very well.

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:

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Originally posted by dthtothenwo:
http://www.infowars.com/?p=1123

Ridiculous. The average man and woman are not valued by the "elite" who wage wars globally to gain power. Muslims are painted as subhuman via the mainstream media to justify their slaughter.

al-Maliki is a pawn who has sold out to the globalist "elite." He is no more important than Saddam Hussein was to them. Regardless of who he's been pressured by, chances are they also are in the employ of the "elite."

Even the so-called "terrorists" who fight against Iraqi and US forces grow out of the "elite's" workings in the past. Many of them were created and/or enabled by the intelligence community, which works for the "elite."

Bush claims such operations are bringing "us" closer to victory, yet our borders here at home remain wide open. We are vulnerable. Our "leaders" are not acting in our best interest.

This chaos will continue to spread around the world unless people wake up and take back the power that is supposed to be ours. We must change direction or humanity will end itself. Look to the principles upon which America was founded and has now drifted so far from. They are the solution.

From the land of Oz, I presume -

What is so alien about what I've said? Yes, I agree that it doesn't fall in line with what the mainstream media spouts. But that's my point. Anyone who truly knows our dealings in the Middle East in the 50's and 60's knows what I speak of. And anyone who truly knows the condition of things globally in a military and economic sense knows what I speak of.

Just turn the burner down a little, I guess. I think most people are looking for a candidate right now who will pull out the magic wand and fix everything, but nothing is that easy. The world is a million shades of grey. The simple solutions that worked in the 1800s (kill them all and let God sort them out) just aren't possible any more. Neither is pulling back with our borders and hiding like an ostrich with head in sand - -

America has squandered its resources and factory systems. Now we're stuck nearly begging trade goods, fuel and existence from countries that hope to drive us down - -

If you've got a solution, why aren't you running for President?

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Originally posted by greywolfghost:
Just turn the burner down a little, I guess. I think most people are looking for a candidate right now who will pull out the magic wand and fix everything, but nothing is that easy. The world is a million shades of grey. The simple solutions that worked in the 1800s (kill them all and let God sort them out) just aren't possible any more. Neither is pulling back with our borders and hiding like an ostrich with head in sand - -

America has squandered its resources and factory systems. Now we're stuck nearly begging trade goods, fuel and existence from countries that hope to drive us down - -

If you've got a solution, why aren't you running for President?

Pardon the fired up tone in the original message, but I've been watching what's going on and things are at a critical point in the history of this country. Heck, in the history of the world.

People are looking for a candidate to fix things with a magic wand because people are disconnected from reality. 90% of the American people get all of their decision-making information from the mainstream media. That is their reality. The only way things can be fixed is if every one of us takes just as much responsibility as the other and do our part. The first thing is learning the information that's been hidden from us for so long. Then we can begin applying our logic to maneuver in response to that information.

What you describe as the "simple solution" applied in the 1800's, which is really mass murder and the theft of natural resources, is now backfiring on the same people who used it. Much of the animosity toward America comes from our faulty foreign policy in dealing with other nations. For example, how many people reading this know that over 600,000 Iraqi's have died as a result of the sanctions that were imposed on Iraq after the first invasion? How can we not expect something to come out of that?

Pulling back to our borders sounds like a heck of a better plan than leaving them wide open for infiltration at the enemy's whim. There's a big difference between protectionism and non-interventionism. Our joke-of-a-President claims illegal immigration is a priority, yet the borders are wide open and all of our military forces are half a world away fighting in a quagmire. It's almost as if those in power are trying to sabotage this country's ability to avoid attack.

We haven't squandered our resources as badly as the elite who have us believe. What about the oil in Alaska? And there are many more resources that would be readily available to us by way of trade if only our foreign policy weren't so counterproductive. As for our factories, you're right, they've been lost for the most part. But that's a direct result of big government and big business working together to undermine the middle class to increase their profit. America is asleep as criminals are stealing our livelihoods right from under us.

I have solutions. And there are many more like me. But the people have been lulled to sleep by trinkets and other distractions. They aren't diligent as the founding fathers of this country demanded they be. We are now paying for that irresponsibility.

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_{The average man and woman are not valued by the "elite" who wage wars globally to gain power.}

The "elite" cannot wage war or do much of anything else without the consent of the average man and woman. The two things I would say about this are (1) it appears obvious that the average citizen is highly valued, and (2) your statement insults the intelligence of the average man and woman.

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_{Muslims are painted as subhuman via the mainstream media to justify their slaughter.}

Yeah? And?

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_{al-Maliki is a pawn who has sold out to the globalist "elite." He is no more important than Saddam Hussein was to them. Regardless of who he's been pressured by, chances are they also are in the employ of the "elite."}

Again, you are giving far more credit to your "elite" than they deserve. See point one... and consider that there are dozens of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.

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_{Even the so-called "terrorists" who fight against Iraqi and US forces grow out of the "elite's" workings in the past. Many of them were created and/or enabled by the intelligence community, which works for the "elite."}

Point of fact, those that fight against democracy and the United States are not "so-called terrorists"... they ARE terrorists. Expecting a CIA insurgency operative to be able to see into the future and know that the insurgents he is currently training to help fight the Soviet Union may one day use that knowledge against us is like holding a gun salesmen responsible because he did not perceive that the guy he's sold a gun to might one day use it illegally.

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_{Bush claims such operations are bringing "us" closer to victory, yet our borders here at home remain wide open. We are vulnerable. Our "leaders" are not acting in our best interest.}

This is what is known in many circles as: politics as usual.

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_{This chaos will continue to spread around the world unless people wake up and take back the power that is supposed to be ours. We must change direction or humanity will end itself. Look to the principles upon which America was founded and has now drifted so far from. They are the solution}

Boring... and based upon a false premise. This country was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. We have always had representative government in the United States. There is no power to be taken back. We have the same power we have always had; voting. Everybody claims that they would like to see the crumb-bum, pork barrel politicians voted out of office; however, they never mean their own. They only mean the ones from "other districts and states". You should pay more attention to local elections and watch more presidential races where the politician goes into a specific state or town to campaign for a town-hall meeting. Listen to the questions of the locals and you will realize that what they are saying to the nominee is: "Yeah, I hear what you're saying about these subjects regarding national issues, but, what I want to know is, what are you going to do for my state/district/town.

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Originally posted by Bergy77:

I think Pogo would have made a heck of a politician.

"Pogo" was very wise. Unfortunately, people with that trait always have enough of it to realize that they should stay the hell out of politics as a profession.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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_{The average man and woman are not valued by the "elite" who wage wars globally to gain power.}

The "elite" cannot wage war or do much of anything else without the consent of the average man and woman. The two things I would say about this are (1) it appears obvious that the average citizen is highly valued, and (2) your statement insults the intelligence of the average man and woman.

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_{Muslims are painted as subhuman via the mainstream media to justify their slaughter.}

Yeah? And?

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_{al-Maliki is a pawn who has sold out to the globalist "elite." He is no more important than Saddam Hussein was to them. Regardless of who he's been pressured by, chances are they also are in the employ of the "elite."}

Again, you are giving far more credit to your "elite" than they deserve. See point one... and consider that there are dozens of decaffeinated brands on the market that are just as tasty as the real thing.

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_{Even the so-called "terrorists" who fight against Iraqi and US forces grow out of the "elite's" workings in the past. Many of them were created and/or enabled by the intelligence community, which works for the "elite."}

Point of fact, those that fight against democracy and the United States are not "so-called terrorists"... they ARE terrorists. Expecting a CIA insurgency operative to be able to see into the future and know that the insurgents he is currently training to help fight the Soviet Union may one day use that knowledge against us is like holding a gun salesmen responsible because he did not perceive that the guy he's sold a gun to might one day use it illegally.

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_{Bush claims such operations are bringing "us" closer to victory, yet our borders here at home remain wide open. We are vulnerable. Our "leaders" are not acting in our best interest.}

This is what is known in many circles as: politics as usual.

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_{This chaos will continue to spread around the world unless people wake up and take back the power that is supposed to be ours. We must change direction or humanity will end itself. Look to the principles upon which America was founded and has now drifted so far from. They are the solution}

Boring... and based upon a false premise. This country was founded as a Republic, not a Democracy. We have always had representative government in the United States. There is no power to be taken back. We have the same power we have always had; voting. Everybody claims that they would like to see the crumb-bum, pork barrel politicians voted out of office; however, they never mean their own. They only mean the ones from "other districts and states". You should pay more attention to local elections and watch more presidential races where the politician goes into a specific state or town to campaign for a town-hall meeting. Listen to the questions of the locals and you will realize that what they are saying to the nominee is: "Yeah, I hear what you're saying about these subjects regarding national issues, but, what I want to know is, what are you going to do for my state/district/town.

Isn't it possible to have the public consent without understanding? When you consider the conglomeration of major corporations in the US and globally, it really isn't that difficult to keep a majority of any particular country in the dark regarding major issues. This would allow one to easily control the average opinion of most of the population.

For example, those few wise ones among us warned that invading Iraq would turn out a disaster. Now that that prediction has come (and is still coming) to fruition, we find that 70% of the nation opposes the war. This is now that the facts have come to light: that we went in under false pretenses, and worse yet, the invasion has helped the enemy recruit fighters and strengthened their morale. But before the invasion, the mainstream media helped beat the drums of war and boil the blood of the American people for revenge. It's called propaganda.

If the average citizen were highly valued the government wouldn't be using depleted uranium in its rounds. Do you know what depleted uranium is or what it does to people when it's fired from weapons? It's currently in use in Iraq, affecting both innocent civilians and our troops. Our troops are more than citizens: they are volunteers to fight for their country, and they are treated like crap. What makes you think the "average citizen" means anything to those who consider themselves above us?

Apparently you have no problem with the slaughter of innocents. So tell me, what exactly separates your mindset from that of a terrorist? Every Muslim is not evil; every Muslim does not hate America (although it seems we are doing our darnedest to make that so). Your warped view of reality concerning Muslims and their place in the world is most likely a result of your sole source of information being the mainstream media.

I'm not sure what decaffeinated anything has to do with the "elite," but perhaps you should do some research. There are in fact networks of high-powered individuals who do work together to effect changes for their own profit. Spend a bit of your energy on something worthwhile and type "Bilderberg group" into Google. There are many more groups, but it's not a big world at the "top."

Yeah, and the mujahideen, when they were fighting to defend Afghanistan from invading Soviet forces, were good guys; we gave them all the money and weapons they needed. Now that they are fighting us they are terrorists. Can't you see the childishness of this? Worse yet, none of these policies are what the average man or woman wants. I find it hard to believe that the average American is a bloodthirsty warmonger who delights in the destruction of civilizations for personal gain.

Your gun salesman analogy is flawed. In order for a gun salesman to equal the trespass of a CIA insurgency operative, he would have to not only sell the gun, but also train the buyer in its use and encourage him to shoot someone the gun salesman wants dead. See the difference?

Your idea of "politics as usual" is "life and death" to the American people. If everyone who insists we take these idiots in office seriously on everything they say, then why are we so lax on the idea of the borders being open? Aren't there deadly dirty bomb toting terrorists everywhere? Couldn't they strike at any moment? Oh, let me guess: everything is under control--unless we decide to disagree with what the Bush administration says. If we do, things could get dangerous again. Right?

You're contradicting yourself. On one hand you say the terrorists "fight against democracy," and on the other you say, "this country was founded as Republic, not a Democracy." Which is it? Do you see how the mainstream media doublespeak has you contradicting your own self? We are supposed to have a Constitutional Republic, which we do not have right now. Right now we have majority rules, civil rights are subjective, and everyone is guilty until proven innocent--the definition of democracy.

What good is a vote if the majority votes for a dangerous man who is not out for their best interest? What good is a vote if you unwittingly vote "yes" for your own death? The people are apathetic. They don't care. People are more concerned with the next sports score than the death of their country!

The people are apathetic because in their gut they can feel it. They can feel that those in power do not give a rat's *** about us, and are doing all they can to leave us holding the bag. The only way to ensure liberty is for the people to truly hold the power; not through representation, but through direct involvement and understanding their role. Representation is meant to be a tool to convene the will of the people as a whole, nothing more.

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Originally posted by The_Bonesaw:

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Originally posted by Bergy77:

I think Pogo would have made a heck of a politician.

"Pogo" was very wise. Unfortunately, people with that trait always have enough of it to realize that they should stay the hell out of politics as a profession.

I think that's part of the problem. People in politics see it is a "career." Something to put food on the table. Representing the people is so much more than that.

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Originally posted by Bergy77:
Bone, you are so right. That's probably why we have some of the bumblers in office that we do!

Did you hear of Congressman Jim Mcdermott of Washington State, he went to Iraq in 2002. the trip was paid for by Saddam.

The trip was reportedly "to see the plight of the Iraqi children."

This guy couldn't tell the truth if you held a gun to his head and threatened to shoot him if he lied, you'd have to shoot him!

I don't support Saddam, he being a CIA-fostered puppet like so many other "leaders." But, I also wouldn't deny that there is indeed a humanitarian problem in Iraq. The sanctions that have been imposed on that country since the first invasion have wreaked havoc, and the current invasion has cut off many public utilities. Just keep in mind that the Iraqi people are not one and the same with the puppet dictators that our government help prop up. They don't deserve to suffer for the actions of criminals.

Good evening Bergy. Here's hoping all is well with you.

Did you know that one cell in my fingernail might be an entire universe?
Did you ever think that our galaxy is a cell in someones fingernail.
Oh, WoW.

Who Let The Trolls Out?

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Originally posted by rm444:
Did you know that one cell in my fingernail might be an entire universe?
Did you ever think that our galaxy is a cell in someones fingernail.
Oh, WoW.

Perhaps, but none of that has an impact on your ability to put food on the table. What I'm talking about is the systematic destruction of our current standard of living. And even that is substandard compared to the past.

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Originally posted by JimSorber:
Who Let The Trolls Out?

Am I being called a troll?

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/040408Flag.htm

This is what our country is coming to. While our boys (and now girls) are fighting overseas in a civil war, our homeland is being overrun by illegal immigrants. Yeah, our "leaders" are looking out for our best interest alright....

Our leaders are encouraging the illegal border crossing. We can't survive as a nation without it they say. It probably would hurt us economically. I think that most people just don't care enough about it.

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Originally posted by YllwFvrPb:
Our leaders are encouraging the illegal border crossing. We can't survive as a nation without it they say. It probably would hurt us economically. I think that most people just don't care enough about it.

While American citizens are struggling to pay their mortgages and rent, the financial sector has been instructed to give loans to "undocumented immigrants" (mainstream media talk). I personally believe this practice throughout the years was also a factor in the current economic crisis. Illegal immigrants are not the real culprits--at most they are scapegoats of the real problem: those in power who's aim is kept secret from the general public.

Anyone reading this who cares about their country, and the standard of living they now enjoy--please look into the North American Union and Security and Prosperity Partnership. There's a method behind the madness we are all experiencing right now.

I shouldn't, I know but I'll take a shot at it. It'll be hard to say it better than rm444 though. Been hittin them shrooms a little hard there haven't you swabie? Alcohol never did that to me anyway.

Conspiracy theories abound. Turn over any ol rock and there is another one. Maybe some of them are true and somebody somewhere has all the straight skinny, I doubt it. But deathtothenewworldorder dude, I don't believe you are him/her/it.

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Originally posted by cheapthrills:
I shouldn't, I know but I'll take a shot at it. It'll be hard to say it better than rm444 though. Been hittin them shrooms a little hard there haven't you swabie? Alcohol never did that to me anyway.

Conspiracy theories abound. Turn over any ol rock and there is another one. Maybe some of them are true and somebody somewhere has all the straight skinny, I doubt it. But deathtothenewworldorder dude, I don't believe you are him/her/it.

Now that you've invoked the all-powerful "conspiracy theory" language, I don't think any of us should pay attention to what's really going on. After all, that would make us "conspiracy theorists," and we all know those people are crazy. Right? God forbid anyone ridicule us. Instead, let's just pretend nothing is going on while our country dies.

Sir, no disrespect, but you're not convincing me of anything by implying that what I'm saying is the result of being high on drugs. Honestly, I'd like to help generate some dialogue about the real problems we face here today. We as a people must band together and each do our little part to reverse what is going on. We can do it--after all, we make the machine work.

try this

Forgive me folks I thought I was witnessing the second coming. rm44, I told you before about those liquid lunches. It does not help. I like the Cell's in the finger nail theroy though, gives a whole new meaning to being by ones self. LMAO.

Send your post to the Middle east. North Korea, China and whats left of Russia Leaders Then to USA. The Elite you speak of fights A way of life not A war! The elite want MORE not Peace like the USA! The elite want all the USA has without the cost. The USA FIGHTS FOR THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS COUNTRIES MORE THAN IT DOES ITS OWN!! Only the bad guys see it other wise!

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Originally posted by cheapthrills:
try this

I hope you're not implying that Congress, in it's present state, offers any figment of resolution of our problems. Don't you think we've done enough sitting on our butts and letting "them" fix things? If you need proof that our so-called leaders in Washington are acting in our best interest, see the following:

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1282

How can we expect our "representatives" to act in our best interest when they make profit from the war?

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Originally posted by jkeller47:
Forgive me folks I thought I was witnessing the second coming. rm44, I told you before about those liquid lunches. It does not help. I like the Cell's in the finger nail theroy though, gives a whole new meaning to being by ones self. LMAO.

Tainted Kool-aid: does the body good. Drink up now!

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Originally posted by paladin462:
Send your post to the Middle east. North Korea, China and whats left of Russia Leaders Then to USA. The Elite you speak of fights A way of life not A war! The elite want MORE not Peace like the USA! The elite want all the USA has without the cost. The USA FIGHTS FOR THE RIGHTS OF OTHERS COUNTRIES MORE THAN IT DOES ITS OWN!! Only the bad guys see it other wise!

What Websites do you suggest I post on to address these leaders?

Yes, the elite religiously believe in their one world government. They believe they are entitled to the Earth and that we are their slaves. In general, the people of America want peace. But the elite want chaos, for one of their slogans is "order out of chaos."

Right now the US military is not being properly utilized. It's primary objective should be defense of the homeland, which it is not at this time. If things were constitutional, we wouldn't have hundreds of military bases in foreign lands; we would be defending our own country and making allies to protect ourselves globally. Much of the damage that's done is due to policies implemented by the globalists (i.e., "elite") themselves. Third world countries are prime examples of this.

The US does not fight for the rights of other countries, nor does it fight for its own right. The ship is sinking, by design. All it takes for their absolute success now is for average American people to do nothing.

This may be a bit belated, but I thought it worthwhile. Concerning the passing of Charlton Heston, he should be remembered for more than just his work as an actor.

He was also a staunch supporter of the 2nd Amendment, which as you know, has been under fire lately. Since it's such an integral part of what makes this country great, I commend Mr. Heston for his courage. Here is an interesting interview of him:

http://www.infowars.com/?p=1318

Do you think it's a good idea to have "artificial intelligence" bots on the battlefield with our men and women? In my book, "Who's the idiot that came up with this idea?" Not only do our troops have a civil war in Iraq to deal with, but now they also have haywire killer bots as well. Check this out:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/140408Robots.htm

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Originally posted by dthtothenwo:
Do you think it's a good idea to have "artificial intelligence" bots on the battlefield with our men and women? In my book, "Who's the idiot that came up with this idea?" Not only do our troops have a civil war in Iraq to deal with, but now they also have haywire killer bots as well. Check this out:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2008/140408Robots.htm

Is that ALL you have to worry about or do you dredge the internet for more and more horror stories?