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MarkAntney

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Originally posted by Migbuster:
RE: http://www.military.com/NewsContent/0,13319,156768,00.html

I don't beleave a word about. Just another disgruntled employee.

IF he was lied to, shouldn't he be disgruntled?

Who wouldn't be? Who would appreciate being LIED to and told to repeat "said" lies to the nation?

And we're talking about outting your own Agents, at the highest levels of govt.

He should be Happy of being an unwitting Party of deceit of outting a govt agent, your own govt Agent that is?

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McClellan really got beat up by the White House press corps over the CIA leak affair. It damaged his credibility, and he knew it.

From a Time article from April 2006:

"...McClellan agonized visibly when it turned out that he had repeated from the podium incomplete information he had been given about the role of White House aides in leaking the name of former CIA officer Valerie Plame. "This relationship is built on trust," he told reporters last fall, "and you know very well that I have worked hard to earn the trust of the people in this room, and I think I've earned it, and I think I've earned it with the American people." A week later, McClellan said slyly, "I enjoy working with the people in this room most of the time..."

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1185015,00.html

I imagine getting dissed like he did over the Plame affair in front of millions of Americans would be difficult to deal with.

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Some one wanting to sell their book. McClellan mother was a Democrat running for governor of Texas in the last election

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CMSgt1942

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Must be getting ready to write a book. I heard George Bush didn't pay for a box of girl scout cookies during the last campaign. Give me a break; this is getting old.......

We have have gone so long, doing so much, with so little, now we can do anything with nothing.

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dman1948

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Its a marketing tool, just to sell his books. He figures what the hay, everything else is blame on Bush, so why not.

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I think that truth will come out soon or later with all of his cabinet member's quiting their jobs and then turn around saying totally different when pressed upon once self. I know that bush and cheney needs to be impeached asap. If they don't do it then it is too late and I want some answer's why he lied about Iraq and why is Osama Bin-Laden still out their? That is all I have to say.

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We need the Swiftboaters for this mission.

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Kegler300

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Plame 007...

"The World's Finest"

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This is a duplicate thread. Original here.

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... When it comes to war-fighting, perhaps the folks in Washington should think like the engineers in Apollo 13 and ask "What have we got on the spacecraft that's still good?"

That means we have to drop all the leaders who:
who are ideologues,
who are simpletons,
who are incompetent,
who are carpetbaggers,
who are partisan,
who are corrupt,
who are derelict in their duty,
who are biblical literalists, or
for whom the war is not the highest priority.
That leaves a mighty short list of leaders, with which to win the war.

The names that that are left on my own "good-to-go" list include Gates, Crocker, McCain, Biden, Webb, and most of our Generals.

That is not a long enough list, and not bipartisan enough, to win a war.

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Nice picture of Valerie... the button is a FAKE, but otherwise a nice picture of a patriotic woman who tried to serve her nation, and was beheaded for it.

As far as this "news" tidbit is concerned?

Thank You, Scott McClellan for finally admitting the truth... (but we all knew it anyway).

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Originally posted by Kegler300:
Plame 007...

Already past the future

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Since the swift-boaters are working this thread, I will remind them, that it is important to swift-boat not only McClellan and Plame, but don't forget, we have to swift-boat America's military leaders too.

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Originally posted by usmc_family:
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Originally posted by OldAFcop: Awright, I know this is a really dumb remark to make: How come these people all wait until they have a lucrative book deal to come clean with the American people? End of stupid remark.
With respect, OldAFcop, if you think about what you said, you will realize that it is a dumb remark. Because it ignores honorable military critics like General Ricardo Sanchez.

Of course, Gen. Sanchez (and Gen. Powell, and Gen. Shinseki, and James Webb, and many other patriotic veterans) have been swift-boated too. This is a mighty ugly pattern.
Too Bad you miss the part where he blamed the media for most of our mistakes.
DIRTYLODOWN, have you read Gen. Sanchez complete transcript?

Gen. Sanchez expresses his most explosive criticism as follows:
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WHO WILL DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY FOR THE FAILURE OF OUR NATIONAL POLITICAL LEADERS INVOLVED IN THE MANAGEMENT THIS WAR?

THEY HAVE UNQUESTIONABLY BEEN DERELICT IN THE PERFORMANCE OF THEIR DUTY.

IN MY PROFESSION, THESE TYPE OF LEADERS WOULD IMMEDIATELY BE RELIEVED OR COURT-MARTIALED.
To state it plainly, Gen. Sanchez is calling for stronger analysis by the press, and furthermore for wholesale resignations and/or impeachment of our political leaders.

Isn't that right?

It's a lot of work, but only by relentless swift-boating, can the lid be kept on.

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Originally posted by usmc_family:
This is a duplicate thread. Original here.
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... When it comes to war-fighting, perhaps the folks in Washington should think like the engineers in Apollo 13 and ask "What have we got on the spacecraft that's still good?"

That means we have to drop all the leaders who:
who are ideologues,
who are simpletons,
who are incompetent,
who are carpetbaggers,
who are partisan,
who are corrupt,
who are derelict in their duty,
who are biblical literalists, or
for whom the war is not the highest priority.
That leaves a mighty short list of leaders, with which to win the war.

The names that that are left on my own "good-to-go" list include Gates, Crocker, McCain, Biden, Webb, and most of our Generals.

That is not a long enough list, and not bipartisan enough, to win a war.

Actually, none of those names qualify (according to your pre-requisites) .

Politicians, all of them, fail that test.

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Any employee who expresses their own opinions are considered "disgruntal employees" if it is contrary to the status quo.

I'm a Republican - But, this mess has to stop. You can't trust anyone in the White House for straight answers.

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It's a lot of work, but only by relentless swift-boating, can the lid be kept on.

So, you advocate pathological lying as a political tool then... ? Sorry, but the Republican Party adopted that as standard practice, well before the 1990's.

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By the way, the picture of Plame is a photoshop fake, pasted together by propaganda experts, and deliberately spread by political operatives (just look at the faked reflection, to see how you are being manipulated).

The picture of Gen. Sanchez is his own ... and so his testimony.

Swift-boating lies ... or a plain man's truth ... it's your choice.

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The tone of this piece is very typical of Military.com, lately, especially when they choose to use the unbalanced AP for their news source.

This isn't news, has no supporting facts and is purely propaganda aimed at our military.

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By the way... the newest (and cutest) "mouthpiece" for our President has already denied that McClellan's claims are anywhere near true.

I hope the WH press REALLY pushes hard for answers on this one.

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The tone of this piece is very typical of Military.com, lately, especially when they choose to use the unbalanced AP for their news source.

This isn't news, has no supporting facts and is purely propaganda aimed at our military.

Right. Just love those "first time callers".

The investigation of "Scoots" Libby by Fitzpatrick has never closed, and I for one am betting that within days he will have something to say about this.

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If this was all a LIE then why did the president not what to comment on it and say just that the case is closed now so we can move on. Thats all I want to know

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You're all missing the point; follow the money.

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If this was all a LIE then why did the president not what to comment on it and say just that the case is closed now so we can move on. Thats all I want to know

Because it is NOT a lie.

Never before in our entire history has a President's Chief Spokesman accused his President of lying to the public. This man did, and that is worth a punishing and complete congressional-investigation, post-haste.

Seriously, if the President is innocent of this very-dastardly accusation, then why wouldn't ALL of us want to know, immediately? If he i8s innocent then McClellan should be brought up on charges of slandering his CIC. If not, well then wouldn't we also want to know that?

Usually the Conservatives in here demand action and accountability, especially when it comes to Dems, but if we stop caring long enough to allow ANY person to lie to us, with impunity, then our Republic is indeed in terrible-trouble and I for one am very sad, and very concerned about that.

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Originally posted by steve_sf: The tone of this piece is very typical of Military.com, lately, especially when they choose to use the unbalanced AP for their news source.

This isn't news, has no supporting facts and is purely propaganda aimed at our military.

You cannot say that of Gen. Sanchez's testimony, which is his own words, and which backs McClellan's charges 100%, these charges amounting to "dereliction of duty in time of war".

The video of Gen. Sanchez testimony is here, and the general's testimony is definitely *not* professionally produced "partisan spin."

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My purpose is not about politics. It's not about Rick Sanchez. It's about that young man back there (points) that you saw up here earlier, in your panel.

It's about the over eight hundred Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines, that I lost in battle.

When I came back, out of that theater, I went back and looked at the pictures, and read the bios, and the background information, of every single one, of my subordinates, that died in combat.

THAT'S WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

And our nation has to fix it.

Because otherwise, as I stated in my comments, if we continue, with the political rhetoric, and the partisanship, our soldiers will continue to die.

And that's unacceptable to me, as a warrior that's lead them in combat.

That's what this is about.

And, at the right time, history will show, the specific names of people, that made decisions, that put them at-risk.

I appreciate your time. Glad to be here.

Folks should watch and judge for themselves, whether Sanchez and McClellan are right. Because the "spin-masters" and the "swift-boaters" can't be trusted.

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Originally posted by Weatherguesser:
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Originally posted by flea2825:
If this was all a LIE then why did the president not what to comment on it and say just that the case is closed now so we can move on. Thats all I want to know

Because it is NOT a lie.

Never before in our entire history has a President's Chief Spokesman accused his President of lying to the public. This man did, and that is worth a punishing and complete congressional-investigation, post-haste.

....did you say "never before"?

Already past the future

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....did you say "never before"?

Yes, that IS what I said.

Tell us, when if ever has a Press Secretary resigned, and within months of that resignation (and while his President is still in power) has he/she then accused him of a Felony...?

I'd like to see that.

(And by the way? I live in Mpls/St. Paul most of the year, and the voters here, (on average) are 65% Democratic (75% in St. Paul, 55% in Mpls.).

We all can't wait for that Republican Convention.

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You know the spin on this is SOOOO left it sickens me. The proposed "leak" was not against an agent in the filed as the law proscribed. libby didn't get convicted of leaking anything. He was convicted of perjury (lying under oath). Basically, it's a leftist tactic going back to the marxist ways- ask enough of the same question enough times and enough ways and eventually every man will commit perjury.
if we took half the money the left wasted on these sort of attacks and put them toward something positve for our country we would see the change.

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It is very alarming to me, that the sole defenders of the Administration on this topic, are a few "swift-boaters", plus a few "Clinton-blamers", and one guy who is "considering joining."

If this is the strongest support that the Adminisration has, it becomes very doubtful that the American people can be rallied, to support the years of effort, and the trillions of dollars of costs, and the tens of thousands of killed and wounded, that will be the price of victory.

That IMHO is the real tragedy of "swift-boating" and "blame-gaming".

These practices have placed America hugely at-risk, of dishonorable defeat in war.

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