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It's interesting that Oliver North -- in ridiculing conspiracy theorists -- makes several omissions. First, he ignores the fact that he himself was part of a proven conspiracy -- the Iran-Contra conspiracy. Furthermore, North pretends that all conspiracy theories originate from the Left. He ignores right-wing conspiracy theories involving President Clinton -- that Clinton was running drugs through Mena, Arkansas, and that Clinton was responsible for the death of Vince Foster and/or Ron Brown. Oliver North also avoids other favorite right-wing conspiracy theories, including the Trilateral Commission, the New World Order, and the Illuminati conspiracy theories. Regarding the JFK assassination, Ollie North also avoids the fact that some right-wingers have voiced suspicion of a JFK conspiracy, including Richard Nixon and J. Edgar Hoover.
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Blah- blah- blah.
 Before you post on here --- and start accusing one of our own of some crime(s), you might actually try to earn a Uniform, and get assigned to someplace where people are shooting at you/bombing/trying to kill you; then maybe you can post something about Lt. Col. Oliver North, USMC ret... Lt. Col. North completed 4 years at the U.S. Naval Academy, and the Basic School for Marines at Quantico. What have you ever done ? He served 2 tours in Vietnam as an Infantry Officer. He was wounded in action over there. What have you ever done ? He and his family had death threats from a arab terrorist bunch... because of his work at The White House, against the hijackers/murderers of the cruise ship "Achile Lauro". What have you ever done to thwart arab moslem terrorism ? BTW --- You mentioned "Slick Willy" - the Impeached one... Just like you, he had no military service! |
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are you going to refute a single point that was made or not? |
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Like Clinton, our former VP, neocon Dick Cheney, also had no military service. As for why Dick Cheney opted out of Vietnam, Cheney remarked, "I had other priorities." Meanwhile, our fearless ex-president, G.W. Bush, had Daddy help get him into the Nat. Guard where, during the Vietnam war, he flew planes and bravely defended the Mexican-American border. Oh ... I almost forgot ... one isn't supposed to bring up these things when it comes to Republican draft-dodging politicians.
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Unlike LTC North I never paid ransom for hostages once, let alone repeatedly, gave away navy codes, or fabricated terrorist threats to myself. I also never took classified information to my home, especially while simultaneously claiming it was targetted by terrorists. I also never destroyed evidence or screwed my staff. I have also never committed perjury or obstruction of justice.
Face it -- he lost all mental stability when he went to the NSC. |
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I served w/Ollie North at Quantico in 1972. He would be a great president and he is a legal citizen to boot.
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Yea, too bad he sold our country out. |
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There's a huge difference between a draft dodger and someone who joined the Guard or Reserves. And I know that it was not necessary to have "connections" to join the reserves during Vietnam. I joined! Most folks who label reservists "draft dodgers" also ignore the fact that neither LBJ nor Nixon called up the reserves for Vietnam. That's a problem. It is my belief that Col. North served his country and CinC faithfully and honerably. |
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I'm not trying to pick a fight on this but....I'm not understanding what you mean here. If they weren't called up as you say, then how is that proof of the reserves NOT being used to dodge the draft? If anything that would be a reason to join the reserves and avoid the conflict, would it not? |
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The typical enlistee back then could not know for certain that they would not be activated and sent overseas. Those that hid out or went to Canada or whatever knew they weren't going to war!
Honestly, I'm not sure why the reserves were not called up like they were for Korea and later in Iraq. Perhaps it was in case the Russians started something in Europe. The reserves/guard were being held back for that contingancy. |
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Don't get me wrong. I'm not calling every reservist a draft dodger. I just mean that it IF someone joined the reserves to avoid going to Vietnam, it seems like they made a pretty safe bet. Maybe "draft dodger" is too strong of a phrase, but I'm not sure what a better one would be for people wanted military service on their record(or knew they would get drafted) and opted for something they believed had a much lower chances of seeing combat.
I'll show my ignorance and admit that I thought they had been called up. I knew national guard units had so I just assumed reserve units had as well. |
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Okay wise guys bashing Bush, Do you know that Clinton was the only Person to be elected President with a Felony record? And do you know what that was for?
DRAFT DODGEING!!!!!!!!!! Now that the truth!!!!!!!! |
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Don't have to be ex-military to call a traitor a traitor. |
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(1) There were Reserve and National Guard units and select individuals (due totheir MOS) who were called up and served in Viet-Nam. I served with some of them during my tour (1970-1971). (2) It is my belief that Oliver North disgraced his uniform, violated his sworn oath, effectively (if not literally) crapped on the U.S. Constitution, effectively (if not literally) crapped on the U.S. Flag and dishonored every member of the Marines, Navy, Army Air Force and Coast Guard. He conciously choose to serve Ronald Reagan and not to serve his country. If the world was a fair place, North would still be in Leavenworth, serving his life sentence. |
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Our current VP Joe Biden received the SAME AMOUNT of deferments as former VP Cheney during the Viet Nam War...Yet you seem to be O.K. with that..Careful, your ignorance and your bias are BOTH on display...... Duane A. Brinson Key West, Fl. U.S.M.C. 195-1989 "In the face of terrorism and murder; the call for peace is NOT patriotic, it's COWARDICE" |
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And you can back that up? I can only find 2A deferments for Biden, while Cheney had the full hand of student, marriage, and parental deferments; in sequence, of course, as he needed them. Beyond that, you might compare "family values". What have their various progeny contributed in the way of service to the country? Feel free to educate me (and don't forget Liz). ...Alex |
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Even assuming that Vice President Biden DID get the same number of deferments as Dick "Gutless, Spineless, Yellow Coward" Cheney, can you cite any instance when Vice President Biden ever publically said that he didn't serve his country because "I had more important things to do", as Dick "Gutless, Spineless, Yellow Coward" Cheney publically said on more than one occasion? I "had more important things to do" in 1970 and 1971 too - but I enlisted and served that year in I Corps, Republic of Viet-Nam. I don't fault those who took advantage of legitimate deferments to avoid the draft (my older brother got deferred for doing medical research on cures for cancer as a biochemist, for example) as long as they don't brag about how they were smarter or cleverer than those who did serve - unlike Dick "Gutless, Spineless, Yellow Coward" Cheney and his “I had more important things to do”. Furthermore, what does the draft deferments received by either Vice president Biden or Dick Gutless, Spineless, Yellow Coward" Cheney have to do with the subject of this thread? As someone who identifies himself as a former Marine, I would think that you wouldn't be defending someone who dishonored every Marine, living or dead, as Oliver North did when he violated his sworn oath as an officer of the United States Marine Corps to protect and preserve the Constitution of the United States. By betrayed his country and violating his oath, he spit on the graves of every Marine who died at Belleau Wood in WWI, he spit on the graves of every Marine who gave his life on Tarawa in WWII, he spit on the graves of every Marine who froze at the Chonsin reservoir in Korea, he spit on the graves of every Marine who died at Hue and at Khe Sahn in Viet-Nam and he spit on the graves of every Marine who died in Iraq and Beirut. In fact, Proudformermarine – he spit on you...How do you feel about that? |
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But they still defend him. |
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Pitiful! |
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and the democrat congress cut off funding for the war on the contras. the reason we were there is they were building a 12000 ft. runway that soviet bombers could land on. not mention daniel ortega and his communist take over of the country. but its ok for congress to expose a black op and burn everything down because they needed to be "informed" when they cant keep their damn mouths shut.
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Cheney- 5 Deferments from the Draft starting in 1966
To the left a Draft Dodging Coward Biden- 5 Deferments from the Draft starting in 1963 To the left a man of vision  Whats Bidens excuse?, we were at friggen peace in 63... If Biden had served he would have been Done with his 2 years before the first Major Ground Combat Formation arrived in South Vietnam. North's conviction was overturned because his immunity for testifying was violated. Thats right leftists, the same legal rights you cry about for terrorists you wish were denied to North. It makes one wonder about the mindset of those who cry over men who've killed G.I.'s but want a Kangaroo court for North who had the stones to go where they never would. Is it like what Laval and Vichy felt? |
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Damn, that was spot on Linedoggy, touche!!
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Well thank God we can be traitors to our nation and sell weapons to our enemies in exchange for three hostages as long as there are technicalities in our trial.
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Lead Moderator, Veterans Issues Forums davem-milcom @cinci.rr.com Founding Member DVG  |
Actually although Biden had 5 deferements, he was eventually disqualified by the Selective Service because of a history of Asthma. And Biden is not a War Hawk like Cheney has been.
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But you do if you want to have any credibility whatsoever on a Military forum.  |
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Very well, I call North an oath-breaker and a perjurer (for anyone who lies under oath is a perjurer). "What have you ever done?" I served a total of 27 years in either the Active Army or the Army Reserves. "What have you ever done?" I served from 1970 to 1971 in I Corps in Viet-Nam, during which time I received the Bronze Star (with "V" device) and three Army Commendation medals and was awarded the Cross Of Gallantry by the South Vietnamese government. "What have you ever done?" I never violated my Oath of Enlistment - as did North. "What have you ever done?" I swore to protect and defend the United States and it's Constitution - North may have sworn to do the same, but he chose to violate that Oath by selling arms to Arab/Muslim terrorists in Iran in order to fund the Contras in Central America in direct violation to the laws passed by the Congress of the United States - because his loyalty was to President Reagan first and only second to the United States of America. "What have you ever done?" In the few occasions in which I have testified under oath - I did not commit perjury - as North did. He was disloyal to the United States of America, pure and simple, and should still be in a federal prison cell along with other traitors like, for example, Jonathan Pollard (whose loyalty to Israel was greater than his loyalty to the United States). |
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