There have been tons of reports on how the CIA got things wrong on Iraq...though after having a book recently, I feel it's the organizational dynamics, rather than the intelligence itself, that failed. From reading the book, I understood that the lower-rung CIA intelligence staffers had got it right: there was a lot of uncertainty about Saddam's WMD. But this uncertainty turned into a certainty by the time it reached the White House. So it was the organizational dynamics that were to blame, rather than the intelligence. The book is a great and insighful read - it's called <Why your boss is programmed to be a dictator>...it's time we stopped blaming hte CIA

I think that was hashed to death several years ago, but if you want to hand out copies to people in the unemployment line, they can use it to kill time, or sit on, or as toilet paper - -

Saddam is dead, Bush is gone - move on - -

hey all of the iraqs ive met said saddam had them... also how saddam was running his country was inhuman.. those same exiled iraqs also told me horror stories of what saddam and his sons did to people in that country....

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hey all of the iraqs ive met said saddam had them

and exactly how many Iraqi's have you met who worked in Saddam's top secret WMD program?

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Originally posted by outlaws93:
hey all of the iraqs ive met said saddam had them... also how saddam was running his country was inhuman.. those same exiled iraqs also told me horror stories of what saddam and his sons did to people in that country....

Exactly!! Saddam Hussein had WMD's...hell, he used them against his own people. Don't think for a moment that he wasn't developing more advanced WMD's. Of course, some people would say that the "inspectors" never found any! Hell, the inspectors were NEVER given full access of the country. They were only given access to the parts of Iraq that Saddam knew were free and clear of WMD's or anything that might resemble a WMD. Just because the inspectors didn't find any WMD's, doesn't mean they didn't exist, especially when he absolutely HAD WMD's. Definitely NOT rocket science to come to this conclusion, hell, you don't even need a high school diploma. You're right outlaws93, Hussein did unspeakable horror to his own people, and that has been well documented, as well as accounts from people who have witnessed the atrocities first hand. Of course, I never actually saw them up close and personal (although munitions are my specialty, hence my screen-name), but there have been quite a few people from within Hussein's former regime that have collaborated the existence of Iraq's WMD program.

They didn't get nothing wrong. They were being directed to do and say what they did. Either outright or in a round about manner. W got what he wanted. Same with the Prisons and torture. I don't know how many soldiers went to CM and were found guilty for doing what was asked out right or in a round about way what they were told to do and ended up being the fall guys. IMHO every one of them should be released.

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Exactly!! Saddam Hussein had WMD's...

7 years and 1 conquered land later nothing has been found and yet he had them even AFTER the official government reports said he didn't have any? Alrighty then....

Iraq Survey Group
"The ISG stated that while it had, "not found evidence that Saddam possessed WMD stocks in 2003," they acknowledged "the possibility that some weapons existed in Iraq, although not of a militarily significant capability."

Iraq Intelligence Commission
The Commission on the Intelligence Capabilities of the United States Regarding Weapons of Mass Destruction was a panel created by Executive Order 13328 signed by U.S. President George W. Bush in February 2004. The impetus for the Commission lay with a public controversy occasioned by statements, including those of Chief of the Iraq Survey Group, David Kay, that the Intelligence Community had grossly erred in judging that Iraq had been developing WMD before the March 2003 start of Operation Iraqi Freedom. President Bush therefore formed the Commission, but gave it a broad mandate not only to look into any errors behind the Iraq intelligence, but also to look into intelligence on WMD programs in Afghanistan and Libya, as well as to examine the capabilities of the Intelligence Community to address the problem of WMD proliferation and "related threats." The Commission, following intense study of the Intelligence Community, delivered its report to the President on March 31

Like I said ALL along Clinton and his admin to include John the commie Kerry, (who sat on the Intell committee) stress many a time. IRAQ HAD WMD's...

How many times does that have to be said and PROVED, before you liberals and democrats will see it...........

Saddam had a history of storing Weapons of Mass Destruction and used them on resistance fighters like the Kurds. Given his genocidal psychological traits, it all summed up to the fact that he still has them, hid them from inspectors, or destroyed them to forestall US invasion. Do you expect leaders of rogue states to desist from doing them after finding out that all rogue leaders have them in their arsenal.

Cuban agents of influence in the White House and Langely discredited George Bush for known reasoons that they served under Bill Clinton, another Cuban agent of influence.

mosad said they (wmd's) went to syria in a convoy..russia helped them with intel..uday and qusay were in syria..thats how we got them they were tracked when they came back into iraq..
does a russian bomber count as a wmd? i got a picture of one in 04 at t.q. ..its not there anymore..and btw i think yellow cake is kind of like a wmd, dont ya think?

There are many things about the Iraq military that looked better on paper. Where I was at in Iraq there were fields full of old Iraqi tanks, artillery, and APCs of all kinds T-72s, T-55s, M113s, BMPs, trucks. There were even many examples of equipment captured in the Iran/Iraq war. Scattered around were piles of shell casings, AA guns, and literally thousands of other weapons. Very little, if any, of that stuff was operational in 2003. It was all part of the paper tiger.

Well lets see, Kerry sat in the Intell Committee along with Senator gone (Edwards), Clinton was President, It was a party everyday at the White House, Kennedy was giving class's everyday of how to get away with rape and cover up (and still is) for his drunken, drugger Congersmen son. Thats for openers...

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Originally posted by PR777:
There have been tons of reports on how the CIA got things wrong on Iraq...though after having a book recently, I feel it's the organizational dynamics, rather than the intelligence itself, that failed. From reading the book, I understood that the lower-rung CIA intelligence staffers had got it right: there was a lot of uncertainty about Saddam's WMD. But this uncertainty turned into a certainty by the time it reached the White House. So it was the organizational dynamics that were to blame, rather than the intelligence. The book is a great and insighful read - it's called <Why your boss is programmed to be a dictator>...it's time we stopped blaming hte CIA

It would appear that the CIA did not “get it wrong”? Before Bush restricted the intelligence that Congress got to see after 9-11, the CIA got it right.


Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions, 1 January Through 30 June 1999, Unclassified Report to Congress from the Director of Central Intelligence, February 2000
fasDOTorg/irp/threat/bian_feb_2000.htm
. . . We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs . . .


Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions, 1 July Through 31 December 1999, Unclassified Report to Congress from the Director of Central Intelligence, August 2000
fasDOTorg/irp/threat/bian_aug2000.htm
. . . We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs . . .


Acquisition of Technology Relating to Weapons of Mass Destruction and Advanced Conventional Munitions, 1 January Through 30 June 2000, Unclassified Report to Congress from the Director of Central Intelligence, February 2001
fasDOTorg/irp/threat/bian_feb_2001.htm
. . . We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since Desert Fox to reconstitute its WMD programs . . .

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HELLO .... CAN YOU SAY YELLOW CAKE?
IF YOU BRAINWASHED PEOPLE WOULD GO BACK AND READ THE TRANSCRIPT FROM THAT SPEACH HE MADE ABOUT IRAQ YOU WOULD SEE THAT THE MEDIA FOCUSED ON ONE THING..LEAVING OUT ALL OF THE OTHER THINGS HE SAID..AND HAMMERED THAT CRAP INTO YOUR TINY LITTLE BRAINS UNTIL YOU SAID ...BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED...OVER AND OVER AND OVER AND OVER....GOOBLES LIKE HUH?