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CW3cwjeep
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If you have not read the Chip tataum Chronicles I request you do so. Also Operarion Red Rock. You can do a search on the net.

Chip blew the whistle on the government, he was murdered in 2007. By who ? Guess who ?

Gee LTC Ollie North is still kicking, I wonder why ?

I flew the same missions he did in Honduras in 86, both med evac (82nd Med Det Fort Riley) and for CIA (I had a TS clearance. Now the covert guys are showing up dead. Anyone know anything about his murder ?
All I know he washed up on a beach in Panama with his face cut off and a shot to the head.

Just trying to learn all I can about him.
 
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I did a mis-spell Chip's last name is Tatum.
 
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Well once you served your contry and you are dead, no one cares. How or why you died.

Sorry Chip.
 
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Chip Tatum was a personal friend of mine for a while after he came out of the CIA drug ops with people like Michael Maholy,CIA/Naval Intelligence, my personal friend, all working under false patriot Ollie North with the CIA drug ops out of Columbia, SA.Chip went underground. I heard he was killed. How sad. Michael is still alive. The undergorund got word to me personally from him after 13 years incommunicado.-Pamela Schuffert
 
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Well, I hear that I just left the U.S. and have decided never, and I mean NEVER to return. Dont get me wrong folks. I love my country. But the government and the new apparatus there, well I would really rather live without it... Travel the World...Alot out here to see and enjoy
 
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I'm having a problem with this post purporting to be from Chip Tatum within the context of claims he was tortured and murdered. Who's the cute one here? If someone is impersonating Mr. Tatum, that isn't cool, and he should own up. If the post is from the real Mr. Tatum, that means reports of his death are a fraud that he's clearly not correcting. That isn't very cool, either, because it brings the reliability of everything else he's said into question while playing loose with the possibility that his life could still be in danger. What about it Mr. Tatum? What's the real story?
 
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quote:
Originally posted by PamelaSchuffert:
Chip Tatum was a personal friend of mine for a while after he came out of the CIA drug ops with people like Michael Maholy,CIA/Naval Intelligence, my personal friend, all working under false patriot Ollie North with the CIA drug ops out of Columbia, SA.Chip went underground. I heard he was killed. How sad. Michael is still alive. The undergorund got word to me personally from him after 13 years incommunicado.-Pamela Schuffert


Wow, a great honor to be friends with that man. Tell us more about chip and his life that we do not get from the other sources. Its unbeliavable what happened to him and these ungrateful wimps known as the us public dont know or dont care who this great hero of america was.

thanks
 
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Originally posted by chiptatum:
Well, I hear that I just left the U.S. and have decided never, and I mean NEVER to return. Dont get me wrong folks. I love my country. But the government and the new apparatus there, well I would really rather live without it... Travel the World...Alot out here to see and enjoy


youre not the real chip tatum. stop prettending you loser, and get out of here
 
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Well, maybe I am, and Maybe I aint but I dont see any flaws in that response. After what Chip endured...A vacation is well earned. And besides, No use dwelling on the pàst, cant do a thing about it. So Move on! The deal was 2 years of speaking out...Did That... Nothng Happened other than family threats...So moved on...anybody out there?
 
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Well, y'all need to take a look at this:

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"I am currently in hiding from society and have released a false story to one newspaper that I was killed with my face cut off. It is not true. I secretly work for the Illuminati."

If Tatum really made up the death story and afterwards has been going around leaving these stories (have seen two now) that he's alive, works for the Illuminati, then Mr. Gunderson needs to wash his hands of him. This probably is NOT Tatum, even the Illumaniti wouldn't have any use for such trash. I do doubt that it is really him, he doesn't answer anyone, what's the purpose of a Facebook page if he's dropped out of society? Who would pull a cheap stunt like this?

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Chip and his wife were living on the South Side of one of the Bay Islands of Honduras in 98. They left shortly thereafter. It was my impression they were laying low. I liked them both. I went looking for Chip later. I read that he washed up in Panama. I searched for the source of this info. I was told it was started by Ted Gunderson. I went way out of my way to meet with TG at a convention where he was speaking. I asked him for his source. He said he read it on the internet, but didn't remember the source. I'm sure he's lying. He spent a lot of time with Chip and Nancy. I one of your friends washed up, I'm pretty sure you'd remember who told you. Perhaps Chip's alive and faking his death like Robert Booth Nichols, or he did wash up and TG wouldn't reveal his source. But one thing is for sure, TG lied to me. You would damn well remember something like that. Your thoughts...
 
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I knew Chip well but never met his wife Nancy. I certainly don't believe he washed up on the shore of Panama.

The story is that he disappeared in 1998 and was found in 2007. I find this to be preposterous. If Chip was killed by government operatives they certainly wouldn't want anyone finding his body. His statements after leaving his operations were to the effect that he has damning documents, audio, and video hidden in strategic locations throughout the world. This was to ensure his safety, being as if he were killed certain anonymous peoples would come forward with this evidence.

The following mugshot shows Dois alive as of 2003 in Florida.



Take what you will from this.
 
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Originally posted by chiptatum:
Well, maybe I am, and Maybe I aint but I dont see any flaws in that response. After what Chip endured...A vacation is well earned. And besides, No use dwelling on the pàst, cant do a thing about it. So Move on! The deal was 2 years of speaking out...Did That... Nothng Happened other than family threats...So moved on...anybody out there?


Second rate poser.

I started to watch a utube interview of Chip. Looked like BS to me but others may find it interesting. It's titled...

Bush and Clinton cocaine connection
 
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I knew Chip well but never met his wife Nancy. I certainly don't believe he washed up on the shore of Panama.

The story is that he disappeared in 1998 and was found in 2007. I find this to be preposterous. If Chip was killed by government operatives they certainly wouldn't want anyone finding his body. His statements after leaving his operations were to the effect that he has damning documents, audio, and video hidden in strategic locations throughout the world. This was to ensure his safety, being as if he were killed certain anonymous peoples would come forward with this evidence.

[[The following mugshot shows Dois alive as of 2003 in Florida.]]

Take what you will from this.


OKAY ... 'hm ... questions:

a) Culled mugshot hails from what/which/whose authority's database?

In other words "where in Florida was it recorded?" -- care to avail specifics?;

b) What is the image's source file type, generation and current status or for that
matter availability for analysis?;

c) Unlike most "mugshots" that "'mugshots .com a-con-artist-rip-off, which
proactively 'advertises snagged image files', inducing pay-o-la (ie, extortion)
for removal, as its operative coercive revenue stream model"
displays,
presumably, in this case, a purported actual image of "Dois Gene 'Chip' Tatum"
... it is not your average un-sophisticated pic. Curse

Indeed, it appears that, at the very least, a local authority of some sort [or some authority, of some kind|type] has cut-loose a somewhat independent-minded and innovative photographer (perhaps a onetime beauty 'tog, or at least a consultant who knew enough so as to recommend how-to-render somewhat forgiving/flattering images) ... because, significantly, a selective "soft-box", is used to illuminate the subject, as a primary light source, by the photographer. Our somewhat aged Chip benefits from the appeal availed by diffused strobe lighting, which affects "northern ambient light" aka "porch lighting". Applause

That in and of itself is telling information, and should narrow the source options field.

The pic itself, according to my search results, is not currently available/posted to the public online. Eek

That said, one cannot help but see--imagine this scenario: the following three historical figures in a line-up with "Chip" centered between the latter two, forming a "link" between each man to his right and left shoulder--the astounding resemblance between Chip and 1) Jacob Schiff [foremost: Tzar-gone: Z-gang NWO usher], and 2) Tzar Nicholas II [secondary: Tzar-goner]; he, Chip, could be made to appear as either in short order. Gun

Incidentally, his "neck" does not "add-up" in the pic -- something is up with the image file; no? LOL. Beer LOL

 
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Like I said earlier, I knew Chip well.


This is the Gene Tatum I served with, you can see his facetious smile.

A search for "Dois Gene Tatum" on mugshots.com provided me with this:

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I was shocked as well to see this photo of Dois, however it would seem you are over analyzing this a bit.

If Chip was dead there would be an official record of it. There is no listing in the Social Security Death index. There are no news articles concerning his death. Just a grainy audio clip of Ted Gunderson's radio show.

Like the above post, Mr. Gunderson stated that he learned of Chip's death on the internet somewhere.

Where? It's not here.

With Mr. Gunderson's passing last July it would seem a piece of the puzzle has departed. I last spoke to Ted in 2004.

With all respect to Mr. Gunderson, he was a rare breed of patriot with honor most have abandoned, there is little backing his claim.

No, my friend, Chip in all likelihood is still alive.

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quote:
Originally posted by TSgtJohnson:
Like I said earlier, I knew Chip well.


Consider:

"Like I said, I knew Chip well."

or

"Again, I knew Chip well."

or

"Again, Chip had been a good friend of mine."

or

"Again, Chip was well known to me, a terrific colleague and a valuable friend."

or

"Chip and me were buddies. I have known him to find his way around obstruction;
his invertibility won the day when all appeared lost. Vanquished applies to others, not Chip. His brand of unfailing discrete confidence emanates from the 'mugshot.com' image that resonates with my 'up against the wall, no easy out' experiences with him, where I have witnessed that same air of confidence --which leaps from that image-- cleverness that won the day."

quote:

This is the Gene Tatum I served with, you can see his facetious smile.

A search for "Dois Gene Tatum" on mugshots.com provided me with this:

hotlink deleted


Again CW3cwjeep,

A-okay that you knew Chip well.

You adduce that the image file is that of Chip -- altered though it may be or not PS tweaked: Indeed, that appears to be the case on both counts. However, the analysis notations ... lead ... in as much as (again) they raise questions that require concrete answers, such as these (for starters):
A) What Trigger Event: mandated recording of a "mugshot"; what was the driver?
Argue
B) Mandated Mug Authority: under whose or what "authority" was the "mugshot" taken
Angry Whip
C) Database(s) Domain(s) ID: where does or did eg, the originating "mugshot"
reside online?
Confused
D) Domain(s) Access: who or what determines privileged access to and/or ownership of
Chip's "mugshot"
Roll Eyes
E) Access Request: can I obtain access
Whisper
to any or all of the extant "mugshot" files on any server and/or with any database,
re image file authorship forensic [backward | forward trace | data maps; and eg,
unpurged history/histories analysis
Angel/Devil
F) Image File(s): deconstruction, for authoring software application's or applications'
identification identification, verification and validation of initiative(s) |
operator(s) | agent(s) corroboration/collaboration hunt/harvest
Eek
G) Audit Trail: for all "mugshot" content posts online or elsewhere -- anybody else on
the trail(s) yet?
Cool
H) Your Information: advise, ASAP
Whisper

Somebody or some 'org/'gency knows
Dvlish

.... and somewhere all germane data remains recorded,
Curse
and can be accessed [[ forevermore ]],
Confused,
with a modicum of "effort",
Angry Whip
to say the least.
Applause

I) Sensible Action(s): hunt or obliterate trail(s)?
Gun

J) Mercenary NWO: "go along to get along"; bait; entrap; or "release": innovation counts
Roll Eyes
 
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This will be simple.

Go to w w w. Mugshots . c o m

In the search box with an orange magnifying glass type: " Dois Gene Tatum "


There you will see this information.

Dois Gene Tatum


Name: TATUM, GENE DOIS
DOB: 2/03/1951
Booking No: 03057388
Arrest Date: 9/29/2003
Race: W
Gender: M [...] Name Race Sex Ethn POB DOB Arrest Age SSN
TATUM GENE DOIS 03057388 HAZ BRO LAR 60 5'10 210 00378000 [...] TATUM,DOIS GENE W M N FL 02/03/1951 52
Addresses: Street Address City State Zip
533 15TH ST PALM [...] HARBOR FL
Names / Aliases: Aliases Date OF Birth Social Security Number
TATUM,DOIS GENE 02/03/1951 [...]
TATUM,DOIS GENE JR 02/03/1951
TATUM,GENE DOIS 02/03/1951
Arrest Information: Arrest Agency Arrest


No. Charge Description Class Court DISP Bond BP Fine Custody Days Charge Count Charge Type Report # CT-Case # Date Agency OBTS Number Charge Code CRA Number Remark
1 FEDERAL RULE VIOLATION US 88 FEDERAL $0.00 B 21 1 PROBABLE CAUSE 09/29/2003 USM USCA0024 H/USM
 
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FOLLOW-UP:


Hello TSgtJohnson,

I. Got it!

II. Thanks for those rudimentary instructions.

Today, prosecution of the "DGT" search, as prescribed, affirmed the same results that you have posted.

III. Whereas, previously, via three browsers and four tries, the results (paraphrasing) yielded a fail, standard and repeated, notification:

" ... the file that you are looking for is not available ..."

IV. Downloaded, DGT's image file appears to contain multiple layes: once a full evaluation is processed, findings will be posted.

========
REVISED: FOR CONSIDERATION [RE-WRITE OF YOUR ODE]

"Chip and me were buddies.

I have known him to find his way around obstruction; from my experiences with him, he invertibility won the day when all appeared lost.

Vanquished applies to others, not Chip.

His brand of unfailing and ever discrete confidence emanates, too, from the online 'mugshots' site's image, which resonates with my own 'up against the wall, no easy out' experiences with him, when I have witnessed that same air of confidence -- which leaps from that image -- and cleverness, which invariably won, and will likely to continue to win the day …... long into dotage."
 
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I'm happy that you were able to see the information.

If it's not clear to you already I'll tell you that you're the only one who can understand the jumbled and frantic text you're posting on here.

I do sense some condescension in your remarks but I can't be sure.

Regardless, take this into consideration: I'm just pointing you in the right direction for some interesting information on an interesting man, whom new information is hard to come by.

Just something to think on before you break out the roman numerals and rewrite the ode again.
 
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Spammer

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Here is Chips May 2012 arrest record:

Hotlink deleted.

[link to florida.arrests.org]

Here is his federal inmate record (he's being held in Tallahasee):

[link to www.bop.gov]

He was previously busted in 2003:

Hotlink deleted.

[link to mugshots.com]

Only .gov, .mil or a link to another area of military.com are allowed in hotlink form.

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Confirmed arrest 5-30-12

CHARGE: HOLD US MARSHALS #26072013

Can anyone ID Confirm?

Track or trace current status?
 
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Be careful. I did a google search and one site contained a virus of some sort. Microsoft Security Essentials caught it though.

Wasn't Chip Tatum in Paper Moon? Wink
 
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Be careful. I did a google search and one site contained a virus of some sort. Microsoft Security Essentials caught it though.

Wasn't Chip Tatum in Paper Moon? Wink


If you read Google's returns carefully, they'll usually (but not always) have a line in the headers saying something along the lines of:

"This website's content may be harmful to your computer."

Unfortunately, it's usually in the same color as the header and in a somewhat smaller font (stupid, I know).


It is not our belief or disbelief that can make or unmake the fact. ~ Thomas Paine
 
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Wow, I finally got in. Previously, for some strange reason it was deleting just as fast as I could type. Maybe the censor went on coffee break. Okay, I was with Tatum in Florida the night Lady Di died. Got to overhear conversation with Al Martin, while they discussed likely strategies for the OP. Very interesting. Yes, that picture is, albeit a bit aged, that is Chip, no question. What a phenomenal life. What an incredible American. While I cannot support all the ops he was used for, he accomplished the mission. Such was the case with Amiram Nir, who was scheduled to appear before hearings into Iran Contra. Tatum gave testimony he received the tasking to take down Nir's aircraft without knowing it was Nir, whom he knew. As I recall the order came directly from Bush, Sr. Nir, . . . a victim of "loose lips sink ships," Sr's favorite phrase I am told.
 
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Chip gave me some impromptu lessons in "indicators." He took me by a local neighbor in the Lake Wildwood area of Florida (1998), asked me if I wanted to get some footage of these folks who had an asphalt-paved runway in the woods long enough to land small business Lear jets. Chip stated they didn't belong to the local PTA, never attended Town Council meetings, yet there was obviously some high dollar business going on they weren't sharing with their neighbors. I got some shots from the end of the runway. Chip then said, "Let me get you a better view," and proceeded to drive up a private drive and right up onto the runway itself. Meanwhile, the hired help went for his rifle. I said, "Chip, I've got a zoom on this camera. I don't need to be this close." He just laughed. Then I said, "Let me see if I've got this figured out. They shoot the cameraman first, right?" Chip replied, laughing, "That's what I'm counting on." The old adage came to mind, . . . never share a foxhole with someone bolder than yourself.
 
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If one were to consult a map or satellite view of Lake Wildwood where would this appear?
 
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Bush Shadow Government Player Gene Chip Tatum and the Denver Connections
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RADIO: Veterans Today Editor Gordon Duff and Whistleblower Stew Webb Who is Destroying America Len Millman, Larry Mizel and Daddy Bush
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Radio Feb 22: Professor and Editor Veterans Today Jim Fetzer interviews Veterans Today Editor Gordon Duff and Stew Webb Whistleblower

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For those in this forum the Fruitcake named Pamela Shuffert works as a 20.00 an hour stooge for FBI as an informant and disinformation nut.
She never meet Gene Tatum..
I brought Gene onto the Radio in 1996 hundred of interviews as a co-guest at Al Martin's request. I further helped publish Al Marins book the Conspirators
see my site
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as for Former FBI-CIA Ted Gunderson also a fruitcake kicked out of FBI sent to early retirment diagnoised as a nut by FBI Shrinks.
Gunderon was on FBI Division on 5 payroll agent Mark Hostlaw of Denver to infiltrate Whistleblowers and other just like the Thief, Liar and Witch Pamela Shuffert.
Stew Webb
After finding this by accident I will post tonight on my website in right column what I have on Gene Tatum that he gave me.

Only .gov, .mil, or a link to another area of military.com can be posted as hotlinks. If you want to advertise your own website, you must get the prior permission from military.com.

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If someone is in contact with Tatum if he did not die on that Nicaragara Beach as reported by Al Marin and myself with his face ripped off in 2000 election time frame which a lot of people thought it was Gene let me know otherwise.
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