He certainly deserves his day in court to defend
against these charges. So why hasnt he? Better yet why hasnt he been indicted in view of the evidence?


*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_3rjp0Rkw

Like I said before John, I dont expect an investigation into the 9/11 attacks ever to be officially revisited. It would take a politician with the biggest balls in the world to revisit the truth of the 9/11 attacks with a view to prosecuting and bringing to justice those responsible in our govt for its perpetration!.

Have you notice the sheer ambivalence towards ANY truther allegations/revelations about what took place on 9/11? Mind-numbing animosity and namecalling with nothing else beyond that. AMAZING!!

The revelations of the 9/11 commissioners in John Farmers book and them NOT believing their own report clearly shows the spineless and criminal collaboration among high level officials to manipulate and LIE to the American people. The families of the 9/11 victims must be wondering WTF!!! Now they (the 9/11 commissioners) only come out, after a change in political winds and "sheriff" at the WH.

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:
He certainly deserves his day in court to defend
against these charges. So why hasnt he? Better yet why hasnt he been indicted in view of the evidence?


*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_3rjp0Rkw

Posted Sat 31 October 2009 10:41 AM Hide Post
The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
Gordon Duff Salem-News.com

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?
The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11
John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.


We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?

How is old Gordo?

Is he still claiming Veterans who took part in the D.C. Tea Party are all Ku Klux Klansmen?


Is Gordo still claiming Congressman Joe Wilson who served from 1972 to 2003 is a Draft Dodger?

even though Wilson retired as an O-6 Colonel

Gotta love Gordo, he never lets the facts get in the way of his bash t insane rage.

quote:

Originally posted by 23003657:
Like I said before John, I dont expect an investigation into the 9/11 attacks ever to be officially revisited. It would take a politician with the biggest balls in the world to revisit the truth of the 9/11 attacks with a view to prosecuting and bringing to justice those responsible in our govt for its perpetration!.

Have you notice the sheer ambivalence towards ANY truther allegations/revelations about what took place on 9/11? Mind-numbing animosity and namecalling with nothing else beyond that. AMAZING!!

The revelations of the 9/11 commissioners in John Farmers book and them NOT believing their own report clearly shows the spineless and criminal collaboration among high level officials to manipulate and LIE to the American people. The families of the 9/11 victims must be wondering WTF!!! Now they (the 9/11 commissioners) only come out, after a change in political winds and "sheriff" at the WH.

Like I said before John, I dont expect an investigation into the 9/11 attacks ever to be officially revisited. It would take a politician with the biggest balls in the world to revisit the truth of the 9/11 attacks with a view to prosecuting and bringing to justice those responsible in our govt for its perpetration!.

Thats what it would take for sure, and Im not so sure it wont happen as the silent majority are being pushed to the wall with no where to go but forward as things get worse. Once it starts the civil unrest will grow rapidly to proportions that would become unconrollable.

quote:

So why hasnt he?

Why hasn't he what? Fied a law suit for defimation of character?

What we need to do is move forward. Address the issues of today.

"Don't look back. Something might be gaining on you."
Satchel Paige

JohnX You do know that one of the first things an incoming Prez. does is Pardon the outgoing Prez. for anything he may have done ilegal.
you can't Indicte Bush.

Shockey

quote:

Originally posted by shockey:
JohnX You do know that one of the first things an incoming Prez. does is Pardon the outgoing Prez. for anything he may have done ilegal.
you can't Indicte Bush.

Shockey

Thats entirely possible as was the case with nixon Ford. But That wasnt the case with Obama Bush Cheney Or these organizations of legal scholars wouldnt still be pursuing accountabilit

You have a better chance of finding out who killed JFK.

Yes. Obama did do that, why, because he's going to need one when he leaves office and he doesnt want to be the one who breaks the chain.
Those people know that and they are just sterring the pot, probably for book sales and the like. Theres no money in being a legal scholar, but there is money in bull s--t.
How many of those sorts of books do you have John? Have you ever considered that the real consperacy is, if they can keep you chaseing BS,
You pay no attention to what they are realy doing?

Shockey

Let's be careful here folks. Don't slam the sitting POTUS' office. THAT is a violation of the TOS.

Argue the facts, the politics and the philosophy, but lay off the office.

Tricky thing when emotions run strong...be careful here.

quote:

Originally posted by shockey:
Yes. Obama did do that, why, because he's going to need one when he leaves office and he doesnt want to be the one who breaks the chain.
Those people know that and they are just sterring the pot, probably for book sales and the like. Theres no money in being a legal scholar, but there is money in bull s--t.
How many of those sorts of books do you have John? Have you ever considered that the real consperacy is, if they can keep you chaseing BS,
You pay no attention to what they are realy doing?

Shockey

I have no Idea what what is factual and what is fictional. I do know for sure something hasn't been right for some time now and the state of the union is at a sever low and getting worse. Troops are dieing,the nation is divided and weakened, and its not just coincidental. There are things that that cant be denied and many questions left unanswered.

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:

That Icon is a Perfect example of how we arrived to this point.

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:

That Icon is a Perfect example of how we arrived to this point.

Nah just my feelings of what "indictment".

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:

quote:

Originally posted by 67NOV:

That Icon is a Perfect example of how we arrived to this point.

Nah just my feelings of what "indictment".

I know its been so long coming and painfully obvious that nothing is investigated. They start
and appear to be be concerned then it drops off the radar screen. like when chrystie Whitman officially declare the air was safe to breath days after 9/11 Lots of chatter and filed law suits talks of investigations and then nothing. We know as much now as we did back then.

There are times when a little kid will get on a WHY kick. All he will say is why. It's endless.
Most conspericy's are like the kid, the WHY's are endless.
How many answers do you need John?
A bunch of muslem assh--es hijacked some aircraft, knocked down some buildings and killed a lot of americans. The nation was attacked.
What part of all that do you not get, John?

Shockey

Get over it. Any fool can rite innuendo and get it published by some kook-press.
Stick to Fatastic Four and Supergirl.
Geesh!

quote:

Originally posted by shockey:
There are times when a little kid will get on a WHY kick. All he will say is why. It's endless.
Most conspericy's are like the kid, the WHY's are endless.
How many answers do you need John?
A bunch of muslem assh--es hijacked some aircraft, knocked down some buildings and killed a lot of americans. The nation was attacked.
What part of all that do you not get, John?

Shockey

None of it shockey since nothings been answered. That kid you speak of that asks questions sounds like a bright kid with a brain thats not easily convinced.

NM11AZ
Posted Fri 06 November 2009 06:20 PM
Get over it. Any fool can rite innuendo and get it published by some kook-press.
Stick to Fatastic Four and Supergirl.
Geesh!



Yea maybe your right, Fug em none of mine were murdered or killed in an illegal war. Fug em Move on Im doing just fine.

Interesting response.
All of the casualties are mine and ours.
Whether or not they are yours as well is up to you.
The war is a legal war, signed off on by the entire nation, then made a political football by the usual losers.

Let me just say this, Right before your eyes the democrat congress just pass a bill that is Unconstitutal but yet you say nothing.

But yet you still go after Bush for doing unconstitual stuff, but yet its okay for the current congress to do it...

Grow up and get a life..and I would say fight for your country but I know I'm speaking to a bunch of sheep.

quote:

Originally posted by NM11AZ:
Interesting response.
All of the casualties are mine and ours.
Whether or not they are yours as well is up to you.
The war is a legal war, signed off on by the entire nation, then made a political football by the usual losers.

Get used to it with John, he stays in his X-Files character regardless

I begin to think he has some other iron in the fire.
Such as, he sells the C-Theory books, or he writes them. Cant say for sure but I bet it's got something to do with money.
This forum is just for promoting business to him.

Shockey

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:
He certainly deserves his day in court to defend
against these charges. So why hasnt he? Better yet why hasnt he been indicted in view of the evidence?


*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_3rjp0Rkw

Yeah Youtube is an excellent source to base your argument on.

quote:

Originally posted by C000lhandluke:

quote:

Originally posted by john2x:
He certainly deserves his day in court to defend
against these charges. So why hasnt he? Better yet why hasnt he been indicted in view of the evidence?


*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_3rjp0Rkw

Yeah Youtube is an excellent source to base your argument on.

Good a source as any specially the live footage

quote:

Originally posted by shockey:
There are times when a little kid will get on a WHY kick. All he will say is why. It's endless.
Most conspericy's are like the kid, the WHY's are endless.
How many answers do you need John?
A bunch of muslem assh--es hijacked some aircraft, knocked down some buildings and killed a lot of americans. The nation was attacked.
What part of all that do you not get, John?

Shockey

Yaa nailed it on the head Shockey.
Hard to believe but John2x has been on the same merry-go-round for awhile now. He came here in 2007, and as the saying goes: His needle is stuck in the groove...

When he first launched his looney-tunes tirades here on Mil.com I gave him ( and his fellow "Tilt" friends ) a sure-fire way to get some $$... I told him that all he needed to do was find one of the Airliners (UA,AA) that left Boston that day, or find one member of any of the flight crews, or find one of the passengers and report it to the insurance companies which had to pay out some big $.

He still hasn't done that yet... think of the $$ reward. Wow --- he could afford to buy a boxed set of the "X-files" series.

quote:

Originally posted by swremwin:

quote:

Originally posted by shockey:
There are times when a little kid will get on a WHY kick. All he will say is why. It's endless.
Most conspericy's are like the kid, the WHY's are endless.
How many answers do you need John?
A bunch of muslem assh--es hijacked some aircraft, knocked down some buildings and killed a lot of americans. The nation was attacked.
What part of all that do you not get, John?

Shockey

Yaa nailed it on the head Shockey.
Hard to believe but John2x has been on the same merry-go-round for awhile now. He came here in 2007, and as the saying goes: His needle is stuck in the groove...

When he first launched his looney-tunes tirades here on Mil.com I gave him ( and his fellow "Tilt" friends ) a sure-fire way to get some $$... I told him that all he needed to do was find one of the Airliners (UA,AA) that left Boston that day, or find one member of any of the flight crews, or find one of the passengers and report it to the insurance companies which had to pay out some big $.

He still hasn't done that yet... think of the $$ reward. Wow --- he could afford to buy a boxed set of the "X-files" series.

lmao...good one..