Before the election, Obama's grandmother steted on teh "RECORD" that he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii. Lawsuits went before the US Supreme Court and were dismissed but here's the real reason what I personally believe: If they ruled against Obama, there would have been race riots like never seen in this country. Alan Keyes, a Black Republican who ran against Obama for his senate seat also knows of Obama's fake Hawaiin birth certificate. There needs to an official investigation on this.

Military members still need to follow the orders given them by their superiors when being deployed into the War zones as theCOs have given Legal Lawful Orders.

hey see my post they put it in conspiracty theory or some crazy place like that..I just made a statment to the fact that barrack obama may not be american born..and bang..man the liberals came out of the wood work...attack attack..who'da thought the military would care that much about barrack..I guess ..but hey ..its the black americans that care that much and some are in the military...they did not vote their concious..they voted RACE... they tell us not to vote race or be a racist yet they voted for race...as barrack is part black...i heard several say they were republicans and always voted like that but since barrack obama was runnign they could in no way not vote for him and vote for some white man...i did hear that on the news..shocking it was...i vote my concious no matter who is running..no matter what color..if the man is for abortion...I dont vote for him...it is against my beliefs and will not vote for that..so much lieing is going on...and so much protection...I think I will watch and see what happens..they might change some law about who governs...and they might use ....we are all immigrants...to fit their needs...we shall see ..legit or not...will he come forward with teh real deal...thanks for your comment..

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bang..man the liberals came out of the wood work...attack attack..

uh...there are only 2 posts. yours and someone who seems to agree with you.

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Posted on Fri, Sep. 11, 2009
Judge postpones ‘birther’ hearing until Monday; Orly Taitz claims to have Obama birth proof
By CHUCK WILLIAMS
A U.S. District Court hearing to determine if a Army captain fighting deployment to Afghanistan because of the challenged the legitimacy of Barack Obama’s presidency was rescheduled for Monday.
Capt. Connie Rhodes filed the complaint last week and Judge Clay Land granted an emergency hearing Friday afternoon in the Columbus federal courthouse.

Rhodes, a medical doctor who was with her unit in Fort Riley, Kan., did not attend the hearing. That prompted Land to reschedule it for noon Monday.

Rhodes is scheduled to arrive at Fort Benning Saturday and deploy within seven days.

Rhodes’ attorney Orly Taitz — a national figure in the “birther” movement — was in Land’s court. Rhodes was ordered by her commanding officers not to leave Kansas, Taitz told the court.

“That is not the information I have from Fort Riley,” said Maj. Rebecca Ausprung, with the Department of the Army, Litigation Division in Washington. Rhodes had not informed her supervisor, Ausprung told the court.

Land made it clear he wanted to hear from Rhodes.

“I am going to require her to appear, so I can ask questions of her,” Land said.

Ausprung said the Army would make Rhodes available.

The complaint filed by Rhodes is similar to the July 8 suit filed by Maj. Stefan Frederick Cook, who sought conscientious objector status and a temporary injunction. Taitz represents both.

Land tossed out Cook’s case in July. Land said the judicial branch shouldn’t inject itself into “political disputes” and shouldn’t get involved in hypothetical debates that haven’t yet become actual legal disputes.

The Rhodes complaint makes similar arguments.

“Plaintiff ... submits and charges that the current de facto president is an illegal usurper, an unlawful pretender, an unqualified imposter ...” the complaint states. “(She) submits that she cannot lawfully act under his authority, but that she is being forced to do so without any opportunity or remedial avenue whatsoever.”

Rhodes seeks to stop U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates, the commander of Fort Benning and others from giving any order to her or others until Obama’s legitimacy is established, the complaint states. She also seeks conscientious objector status based on her doubts of Obama’s constitutional qualifications.

Outside the building Taitz held an impromptu news conference, showing a paper she claimed proves Obama was born in Kenya.

Staff writer Alan Riquelmy contributed to this report.

© 2009 Ledger-Enquirer and wire service sources. All Rights Reserved.

On a cold January day in 2009, on the day that the CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE US SUPREME COURT administered the oath of office to Barack Obama, the courts lost all power to determine his right to hold office. As of that day, the Congress had determined he was the RIGHTFUL President of the UNITED STATES and according to the CONSTITUTION, he was sworn into that office.

Now according to the CONSTITUTION, only the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, by the power of IMPREACHMENT (OH I SHUTTER to mention these words) can determine he no longer is the President of the United States.

I agree that a lower court ruling, even a Supreme Court ruling, will not remove BHO from office, but if it did rule that he is unqualified to hold the office of President, wouldn't then the Congress be duty bound by their oath of office to begin impeachment proceedings?

No. A court can not order them to pass take action to remove an official of the government.

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Originally posted by Dave_M:
No. A court can not order them to pass take action to remove an official of the government.

You're not hearing me, I'd didn't say the court ordered anyone or anything.

What would Congress do if it was detirmined that BHO the sitting President cannot legally hold the office?

The honorable and correct thing would be to begin impeachment proceedings.

But I guess "honor" is to much to expect from career politicians.

If the US Supreme Court determined that he was not eligible to be POTUS, then I would think a Republican Member of Congress would introduce a motion of Impeachment in the House of Representatives. Short of the SCOTUS making such a determination, no court has the standing at this point to determine that fact and have action taken. If a US District Court judge decided to make such a decision, you can expect all sides to ask for expedited appeal, and probably to the SCOTUS.

The chance of that happening. Less than winning the Powerball and Mega Millions lottery, being struck by lightening in Cheyenne mountain and winning the New York Marathon in the same week. Take out the mountain and it is still ZIP.

Well we'll see, Berg has three cases pending, Taiz has at least two and I'm sure there are other lawyers out there working it too.

One may make it into court, and in the American Justice system, anything can happen.

I just wish these military members would stop with the non-deploying lawsuits, they subvert the chain of command.

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I just wish these military members would stop with the non-deploying lawsuits, they subvert the chain of command.

Thank you on this. I believe that they will make an example of one sooner or later. Some General will get upset and order an investigation, and some officer will find themselves spending 5 years in Leavenworth versus 18 months in Iraq.

As for Berg, my understanding is that are all dismissed after the SCOTUS decision to refuse to hear a case.

BERG v. OBAMA et al
Plaintiff: PHILIP J. BERG
Defendant: BARACK OBAMA, THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE, THE FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION and DOES 1-50 INCLUSIVE

Case Number: 2:2008cv04083
Filed: August 21, 2008
October 24, 2008 28 MEMORANDUM AND ORDER THAT THE MOTION OF DEFENDANT DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE AND SENATOR BARACK OBAMA TO DISMISS FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT (DOC. NO. 20) IS GRANTED; DEFENDANT FEDERAL ELECTION COMMISSION'S MOTION TO DISMISS FOR LACK OF SUBJECT MATTER JURISDICTION (DOC. NO. 24) IS GRANTED; AND PLAINTIFF'S FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUCTIVE RELIEF IS DISMISSED. SIGNED BY HONORABLE R. BARCLAY SURRICK ON 10/24/08. 10/27/08 ENTERED AND COPIES MAILED TO PRO SE PARTIES AND E-MAILED AND FAXED FROM CHAMBERS. (jpd)
October 27, 2008 29 Court Opinion or Order ORDER THAT HAVING DISMISSED PLAINTIFF'S FIRST AMENDED COMPLAINT FOR DECLARATORY AND INJUNCTIVE RELIEF IT IS ORDERED THAT ALL PENDING MOTIONS ARE DISMISSED AS MOOT. SIGNED BY HONORABLE R. BARCLAY SURRICK ON 10/27/08. 10/27/08 ENTERED AND COPIES MAILED TO PRO SE PARTIES, E-MAILED AND FAXED TO COUNSEL FROM CHAMBERS. (jpd)

UPDATE: 1/12/09 U.S. Supreme Court denies Berg vs. Obama appeal by Berg



In fact Berg is suing Orly Taiz, etc al, as of May 4th this year.

I checked a search of the Federal Pacer system and can not find 3 Berg suits. And I think Orley if not disbarred with receive 6 figure sanctions when all is said and done.

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Alan Keyes, a Black Republican who ran against Obama for his senate seat...

Alan Keyes also ran against Barack Obama for President, and lost that election too.

Alan Keyes has filed suit (which up till now has been ignored) for both President Obama and Senator McCain to be disqualified (according to Keyes, both of them aren't Constitutionally qualified to be President) and demanding that he, Alan Keyes, be awarded the Presidency by the Courts.

It is doubtful his suit will even get a hearing, being based on little except Keyes' sour grapes that the American voters rejected him.

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Originally posted by Dave_M:
On a cold January day in 2009, on the day that the CHIEF JUSTICE OF THE US SUPREME COURT administered the oath of office to Barack Obama, the courts lost all power to determine his right to hold office. As of that day, the Congress had determined he was the RIGHTFUL President of the UNITED STATES and according to the CONSTITUTION, he was sworn into that office.

Now according to the CONSTITUTION, only the CONGRESS OF THE UNITED STATES, by the power of IMPREACHMENT (OH I SHUTTER to mention these words) can determine he no longer is the President of the United States.

You are wrong on both counts. Impeachment does not remove a sitting president it is merely the name for the congressional trial-hence Clinton was impeached. #2-Obama can remove himself from office by simply resigning before any indictments are issued. And since he is presumed to be a citizen(though not "natural-born") he is protected from testifying against himself by the 5th Amendment.

It is impeachment and trial, and conviction, but the point lost on you is that only Congress has the power to remove a President. This is the first time asking him to resign has been discussed. And to be honest unless he is impeached, I would never expect that to be considered. He is the elected POTUS by a clear majority of those who voted in the 2008 election. YOU LOOSE.

From today's hearing:

During a hearing in U.S. District Court Monday, an attorney for an Army officer fighting deployment to Iraq questioned Barack Obama’s legal right to serve as president, asserting he was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

Judge Clay Land, inquisitive throughout the 90-minute hearing, said he will issue a decision on Capt. Connie Rhodes’ request for a temporary restraining order by noon Wednesday.

“Whenever I give you a minute, you go off on these talking points,” Judge Land said.

“We have not seen Mr. Obama’s birth certificate,” Taitz responded.

“This is not a forum to lay ground work for a press conference,” Land said. “This is a court of law.”

In her final argument, Taitz asked Land why she had to prove a “Kenyan birth certificate” she submitted as evidence was authentic, yet her opponents didn’t have to prove Obama had an authentic United States birth certificate.

“Who has the burden of establishing that the president of the United States is not eligible to serve in his office?” Land asked Taitz.

The judge pointed out that burden fell on Rhodes because she sought the restraining order to stop her deployment.

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Originally posted by Dave_M:
It is impeachment and trial, and conviction, but the point lost on you is that only Congress has the power to remove a President. This is the first time asking him to resign has been discussed. And to be honest unless he is impeached, I would never expect that to be considered. He is the elected POTUS by a clear majority of those who voted in the 2008 election. YOU LOOSE.

But if they were fooled by fraud the election is not valid. The Constitution does not give the Citizens of the United States the option to vote for a Non-Citizen for President - -

But the issue has never been is he a citizen. There is a birth certificate from Hawaii. No one has ever shown it to be invalid. As per the judge today, there is a requirement for anyone that challenges to provide proof.

State officials of Hawaii, including a republican governor have stated that Barack Obama was born in Hawaii and that his birth certificate is on file.

SO unless you have proof that the certificate of live birth provided by Obama is a forgery, you have no case.

Yes he was duly elected president just like Castro, Chavez & that guy in Iran.

Dave M...he has not proved his birthright. Also, he has sealed all his records ... no President has done this. If your so smart answer the question...why? If you do that you can disagree with birthers, if not your out of step with the Constitution as is He.

He has provided a valid certificate of live birth from the State of Hawaii. The Republican Governor of Hawaii has stated it is valid and that it reflect the vault copy. Game over.

"There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record," DOH Director Dr. Chiyome ***ino said.

***ino said she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.

"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," ***ino said.

***ino said that no state official, including Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently from any other.

So if it's the same as the certificate of live birth he should have no problem having the original vaulted copy released. So why hasn't he?

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So if it's the same as the certificate of live birth he should have no problem having the original vaulted copy released. So why hasn't he?

It is more fun to watch his critics makes complete fools out of themselves.

US District Court Judge Clay Land issued a written ruling Wednesday denying Captain Connie Rhodes‘ motion for a temporary restraining order and dismissed the case in its entirety.

Rhodes, a military doctor, challenged deployment orders to Iraq, claiming the orders were unlawful because the Commander In Chief is not a legal citizen of the United States. Rhodes maintains that President Barack Obama was born in Kenya, not Hawaii.

During Monday's hearing, Judge Land also refused to accept into evidence a document Rhodes' attorney, Orly Taitz says a person in her California office obtained from Kenya for a fee. Judge Land commented that the process sounded like bribery and therefore, could not justify the authentication of the birth certificate.

In his ruling, Land also cited that the plaintiff's attorney will be subject to counsel sanctions for bringing any future actions in his court which are similarly frivolous.

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"Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures," ***ino said.

Well, she didn't lie about that. But from my understanding of those who live in Hawaii, the Certification (not Certificate) of birth is given to any resident that has lived there for at least a year.

Maybe you should go check out the Official Gov Website for Hawaii and find out what it takes to get a certificate amended.... in other words.. legally CHANGED?


Oh and btw.. it doesn't matter in the least. The powers that be want him in there and there is where he's going to stay. Not happy about that, but I'm at least smart enough to know that no amount of screaming and foot stomping is going to change that.


Oh, and did you ever see the color map of the election? the red will BLIND you!!!!

http://philhardwickblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/2008_election_map-counties.jpg

want a real conspiracy to sink your teeth into?

Do you see anything strange about these two election day maps?

http://philhardwickblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/2008_election_map-counties.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)


Many of those bright red states went blue

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Originally posted by Marine5711:
want a real conspiracy to sink your teeth into?

Do you see anything strange about these two election day maps?

http://philhardwickblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/2008_election_map-counties.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)


Many of those bright red states went blue

U.S. Electoral College

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Well, she didn't lie about that. But from my understanding of those who live in Hawaii, the Certification (not Certificate) of birth is given to any resident that has lived there for at least a year.

Maybe you should go check out the Official Gov Website for Hawaii and find out what it takes to get a certificate amended.... in other words.. legally CHANGED?

Marine, you made statements, provide proof. I know that it takes a court order to change a birth certificate, like an adoption, and then it is name, not anything else. You continue to throw accusations without proof.

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You continue to throw accusations without proof.

Well h@11, if you're going to hold him to that standard, you better shut down the whole Hot Topics forum, because that's about 90% of the posts here.

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Originally posted by jdksfcret:

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Originally posted by Marine5711:
want a real conspiracy to sink your teeth into?

Do you see anything strange about these two election day maps?

http://philhardwickblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/2008_election_map-counties.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electoral_College_(United_States)


Many of those bright red states went blue

U.S. Electoral College

I'm well versed on the Electoral College and how it works. I just find it interesting that the entire state of Nevada is red other than 2 counties yet the EC vote went blue, same with other states.

I suppose that the MASS population could be in those two counties or perhaps the red only took it by a couple of votes.

HEY! This is supposed to be fun! You can find a conspiracy theory anywhere you look if you really want to, ya know. In fact, I would venture to say that more than a few posts in the forums are purely meant to stir things up and see who bites. So don't get your skivvies in a wad and start getting defensive or condescending.. LIGHTEN UP!

GROUP HUG!!!!! ... umm that is the PC thing to do isn't it?