I believe Obama's grandmother, in Kenya, said she was 'in the room' when Obama was born in Kenya. Why not get a deposition from her? Obama kept everyone away from his grandmother in Hawaii.

I believe that it is a conspiracy. I believe that his Kenyan grandmother was paid to say what she did as a distraction to the campaign but it did not work. I also believe very strongly that if there was any merit to the story, it would have been upheld by the courts. Why not check the passport or custom records because his mother would not have been able to bring him into the country without some documentation. I also feel that the military officer should be held accountable for what he has said. As a military member you are not allowed to speak against the President of the United States nor it is not for him as an individual to decide. Many of us have been in disagreement with our elected leaders at some point in our careers but respected our oath and moved along smartly. If America does not uphold it's regulations and hold people accountable we are going to have some major problems. This why people from other countries have little respect for us because we have no respect for our own country, i.e., burning the flag and insulting the elected leader, all in the name of "freedom of speech". We know that freedom isn't free and we must also realize that there must be limitations to avoid loss of control. If we don't respect our home and the processes established to maintain it why would you expect others too. As military men and women we pledge an oath and must be required to uphold it. We have a judicial system in place who is very capable of handling this issue! This will be the beginning of the end for our leadership with respect to the military because if this is allowed the next group will come up with something else and something else and before long will be just as chaotic as some of the third world countries.

Getting sick of the "whiners". President Obama has been checked out by the FBI, Secret Service, CIA and agencies we don't even know about..lol
I think these NAYSAYERS like to hear themselves talking.

Officers and enlisted take an OATH, this officer seems to forget the oath he has taken. While I support freedom of speech, this officer (I say that lightly) needs to head to what he's sworn to. If he wants to go another route, he should be discharged. PERIOD!!!

Evidently, this officer (a late comer) thinks he can do as he pleases. WHAT!!!! message does this send to the enlisted folks....I'll tell you a bad one.

No one ever said that we in the military has to be "happy" with the elected President. But we need to respect the will of the people.

Give this guy a discharge, and be done with his whining ass.

Our troops are the best in the world. We can better do without a whiner.

Semper Fi

As a citizen of this country and a former service member, I too, have reservations as too the validity of Obama's candidacy. I haven't seen a definitive document from anyone or any official media that backs up his claim to the office he holds.

His records are all on lockdown and that raises questions itself. Why are legal documents, that are open for public review, locked away from public scrutiny? Documents such as his birth certificate, college records, passport records and others are supposed to be available for scrutiny under the Freedom of Information Act, but are sealed and that makes me wary that there maybe some sort of deception.

The best thing that could happen would be for these records, with sensitive information blocked out, to be brought forth and lay all of this worry to rest. Until that happens there will continue to be calls for its revelation.

Nobody in the main stream media went into detail on this and they are normally the ones who do the hard investigative reporting for America. We, as Americans, are then able to have focused debate on the matter. Since all of the main stream media outlets were on the wagon for Obama, none of them went after him like they should have. This creates a problem for most Americans, because we rely on the main stream media to give us unbiased reporting on important issues.

Obama has made several major mistakes in judgment and made some serious errors in his actions that will possibly bring harm to America. His closing of Gitmo, the quest for granting terrorists civil legal rights, the reduction of military funding, the constant call for tax increases during a recession, his fight for universal health care and the requirement that our records be on a national database, his call for nationwide unionization, and numerous others are detrimental to America.

Total disclosure is the only thing that will clear this problem up and we, as a nation, deserve nothing less than total disclosure. If there is nothing to hide, then let the records speak for themselves.

It is obvious this military officer asking proof of his commanding officer's birthplace is simply injecting political favor to discredit "Obama's birth credentials." I wonder, did this same individual demand a "vaulted copy" of Bush's birth certificate? I thought this was a volunteer military. Tell this officer to pick up his weapon and stand the wall or put in a request for discharge. I wonder, further, if he is challenging the validity of his other commanding officers. Does he want notarized authority from each of his commanding officers before he is willing to follow orders? Rather than providing support to challenging times there are some that want to advance "sour grapes."

President Obama is doing everything to help the recovery of our country after Bush and his band of republi-cans have put us in the worst position that we have been in many years and we still giving publicity to idiots like this one the one that is part of racist america that don't want to go away and still trying to be effective and don't want to accept that the real america does not want you and we have spoked and elected an honest intelligent man to guide us to not only to bring the economy back to normal but to give us the credibility the we deserve among the world! Keep these idiots away from the media and the charge this no good 1Lt(stands for 1st Long tongue)under UCMJ and put him out back to the KKK.

This First LT sounds like he got his education through KKKarl Rove Institute.

No one in his right mind should grace the stupidity of this claim with a response. The man is our President and anyone who acts in a way as to deny this is a traitor. This is simply another example of the rediculousness that has become the Republican Party. Lincoln would be ashamed to call himself a Republican today. First they try to impeach President Clinton for lying about his sexual trysts, duh! (They knew from the beginning that there was nothing to Whitewater) Now they don't want the public to know about the blatant disregard for the Constitution of the last administration with regard to citizen's rights. All today's Republican Party can do today is follow the lead of Rush (the mouth) Limbaugh and call names, spread innuendoes, and create outright lies. How many of you Republicans believe that Obama is a Muslim? Yet you condemned him for listening to the very Christian Reverend Wright for 20 years. If you can't win at the polls then SMEAR, SLANDER, HUMILIATE, BELITTLE and STAB! Is this the Republican Party of Lincoln? My God, I pray not.

There are more Trolls on this thread than I have ever seen here before.

Thanks for stopping by, now move on.

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Originally posted by 18184956:
I believe Obama's grandmother, in Kenya, said she was 'in the room' when Obama was born in Kenya. Why not get a deposition from her? Obama kept everyone away from his grandmother in Hawaii.

People in 3rd world countries per the US definition of such are barely literate.
The Euro grandmother was sick so why make her a media senasation. That is not right!
The Kenyan grandmother is obviously proud of her grandson so she exaggerated the importance of Baraks birth, as many Afro-Asian countries do as part of the cultural and social milieu.
Not different from any AMerican family where they believe the offspring who can read at 2 years is destined for great things.

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Originally posted by 11465149:"Why are legal documents, that are open for public review, locked away from public scrutiny? Documents such as his birth certificate, college records, passport records and others are supposed to be available for scrutiny under the Freedom of Information Act, but are sealed and that makes me wary that there maybe some sort of deception."

Personal information such as that described in the above quote are protected by the Privacy Act unless the FOIA requestor can prove need for exceptional release. Since the document in question is a birth certificate, and a certified document has been produced by the State of Hawaii, there is no imperative for further authentication.

I am proud to of served my country and proud to call myself an American. I believe in the saying "What's good for the goose is good for the gander", and this should go for our President as well. We need to show proof of our citizenship in order to continue to be a great nation. With all the problems we are having with illegal aliens and trying to fight for the rights of our true citizens there is no room for our President to slip through the cracks. You should lead by example and as an American is this the example we want to follow in the years to come? That you can just enter this great nation and have very little regard for America and not enough pride to be truthful and show the respect that all of us citizens deserve?

it is so interesting that out of all of the white american presidents none of their birth rights have been questioned but now that a black man is president oh now we wanna see birth certificates and proof of residency. as an officer of the military he should know the rules of war and in times of war treason is punishable by death. so if he's really following the letter of the law then he needs to shoot himself or someone please do it for him.

I was in the Army 4 years and USAF for 8. Was in Vietnam 3 years. I understand the reasons of respect for leadership. This 1st Lt. Scott R. Easterling should have not been allowed in the Army in the first place. Don't we use psychological testing anymore?? <p>My son was born in Spain and my daughter was born in Guatemala. They had dual citizenship until age 18, when they were required to choose their country. One guess which one they chose!</p><p>Obama is a U.S. Citizen. I guarantee that if he were not, the radical right Republican bigots in our country would have prevented him from becoming our President. He is black, white, a Christian with some Muslim relatives. As Dick Cheney would say, 'So?'. He is President Barack Hussein Obama, and 1st Lt. Scott R. Easterling, he is your highest commanding officer. You had best get off this kick and learn how to be an officer, or go back home to Mommy and live out your life playing with your X-Box in your bedroom.</p><p>Obama happens to be the first intelligent President we've had in 8 years and we had all better pray that he is smart enough to repair the damage Bush has done to the world.</p><p>But hey, even though Bush was possibly the worst President we ever had, we showed respect to him as Commander-in-Chief.

Pres Obama easily could have prevented all these conspiracy theories by producing his birth certificate from day one, yes his birthplace is in question due to the fact his Mom lived in Kenya with his father. But, for this officer to be creating all this dissension in the ranks is quite unprofessional. Yes, and I am a republican and did not vote for him because he is Prochoice ! So, you liberals get of your high horse and stop your nonsense that repubs are racists, get over yourselves!

and to the new member with the numeric username, I hope you get the opportunity to delete that last sentence about shooting, not very smart of you to post something like that, could be taken literaly by some loose cannons.

Very simple way to find out the answers to everything some of the posters questions:
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It is amazing that we can have a real intelligent discussion here with all of this name calling and umbrage from the Obama bench. It is typical of the type of people who Obama worked with and the type of work that he performed before taking office.

The main stream media never vetted him like they vetted other candidates and that is a shameful mistake on their part. He has a long list of problematic alliances and associates, that give me pause as to the man's judgment. He received his community organization training, from a man who was trained by Saul Alinsky, a devout Marxist and communist. Go figure that he would lean way to the left.

As for Bush being stupid or unworthy of his office, he aquitted himself well in the office. This will be brought out over time as history will eventually record. His leadership kept us from getting hit again by terrorists and that is a grand accomplisment.

Bush and the Republicans weren't solely responsible for the economic meltdown, the LIBERAL IDIOT Democrats had their hand in it to a greater extent. The following link will give some much needed insight into this:


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And yes, I called them LIBERAL IDIOT Democrats; They're liberals, they're idiots and they're Democrats - need I say more.

Why were we told by LIBERAL IDIOT Democrats; Barack Obama, Barney Frank, Chuck Schumer, Maxine Waters, Chris Dodd and others, that the sub-prime lending institutions and Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae were solvent and in good fiscal condition, when they were clearly in trouble?
Everyone of these people had received campaign contributions from Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, that's why. They had a vested interest in these organizations. Barack Obama did legal work for them, before he became an Illinois senator.

Is there a problem with having this man as President and Commander-in-Chief, yes there is. It isn't a racial problem, it is an ideological problem. The man is a social communist and has the wrong ideology for America. We don't need or want the US government wiping our butts and noses for us from cradle to grave.

Big government will only want to get bigger and to do that, it will need to create more people to "help" and that means more assistance and entitlement programs. These programs will require higher taxes on the working class to support the non-working class, thus creating a class warfare conundrum that will bring down America.

Obama has already made a number of moves that are detrimental to the US. He is closing Gitmo, without a plan of what to do with the prisoners-of-war that are there. He wants to give these prisoners-of-war civil rights and allow them to have protection under civil law. They are military prisoners-of-war and do not rate the legal distinction of civil law recipients. This would set a far reaching precedent for future conflicts. He has reduced funding for various military units around the world, thus curtailing their training and supplies. He has stated that he will not renew our nuclear arsenal, yet our enemies are building newer weapons everyday. His talk of tax increases has tanked our stock market. Since his election the Dow has lost $2.2 trillion dollars in value and continues to fall.

Under his "leadership" over the last forty-six days (46), he has brought this country down to its lowest point since the Carter administration and we are headed for the same disasterous numbers of that era. Double digit inflation, unemployment, interest rates and massive job loss will be the legacy of this man.

We cannot tax ourselves into prosperity and this has been proven over and over world-wide. Excessive taxation causes a slow down in just about every facet of an economy, except government spending and government spending doesn't create anything toward a countries GDP.

We cannot afford Obama and his ObamAbomination. America will suffer greatly over the next several years, if this LIBERAL IDIOT and those working for him are allowed to do what they have planned.

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Wow, really coming out of the wood work today!
I did not vote for Obama, I personally think that he, Reid, Pelosi are the worst things that could happen to the USA at this time in OUR history. But the guy is POTUS, quit driving by with one hit wonder post and let's put this thread to bed.

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Originally posted by 18184956:
I believe Obama's grandmother, in Kenya, said she was 'in the room' when Obama was born in Kenya. Why not get a deposition from her? Obama kept everyone away from his grandmother in Hawaii.

Really, did you actually hear her say this? Because if you did it means you speak whatever language she does. Or it means you are relying on the "translation" of what she said.

SCOTT EASTERLING for President in 2012! I think he'll beat Biden.

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Originally posted by StaffSgtGraham:
SCOTT EASTERLING for President in 2012! I think he'll beat Biden.

Not unless he travels the country showing his original birth certificate to prove he really exists.

Below you will find an image of a real, original Hawaiian Certificate of Live Birth, not a Certification of Live Birth. Notice the difference? The real Hawaiian certificate is a Certificate, not a certification. In checking my own birth certificate and that of my daughter, son, and wife; they all say Certificate of Live Birth, not certification.

Now, look at the info from the URL for "You Decide Politics". Do you see a problem with the two documents? One is a real Certificate of Live Birth and the other is a Certification, and it doesn't look anything like a real certificate. Much of the necessary info is missing.

After doing more digging, I found a website and there was the fake certificate, but it was for a marriage, not a birth. The certificate can be custom designed any way you want it for an extra fee.

There has been some concern that the certificate that has been floated around as Obama's birth certificate, is a fake. There are supposed to be very subtle discrepencies in the certificate, that have been studied by various people with a background in forensic investigations. If you can get a good clear image of the fake certificate and increase the magnification on it to about 200-400%, you can see areas of disturbed pixelation around Obama's name, birth date, sex, place of birth and others. This looks suspicious in and of itself, as though there have been changes to the info. You will also notice that all the info on the document is in uppercase letters, but the birth date and file date are in upper and lower case letters. This too is suspicious.

If you look down in the lower left corner of the "fake" certificate, you will find (Rev. 11/01)LASER. How can this be a real certificate? You can't have a 1961 birth on a 2001 certificate, unless it says it is a certified copy and it has an official stamp or seal, neither of which appear on this document. This could mean that this is a forgery.

Obama needs to bring forth his ORIGINAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, with the appropriate info blacked out and dispel this cloud of controversy. If he can't produce this document or any real and indisputable proof, he needs to step down as POTUS.

McCain had to prove his eligibility and he provided the necessary documents and was vetted by the proper authorities and by the media and accepted by the people.

Obama hasn't done so and will continue to have these problems as long as he refuses to produce the necessary documentation. Anything that he does in office will be null and void, if he is found to be in the office fraudulently.

There is no racism here or partisan BS, just a desire to see that this situation be resolved. All it takes is for Obama to produce a CERTIFIED AND DOCUMENTED birth certificate or other CERTIFIED OFFICIAL DOCUMENT.


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Again, I find that some of the items I put on my last post were edited out. My mistake on that. Go to "youdecidepolitics.com" and click on the archives link and type in, obama's born identity (update). Check out the differences between a real certificate and a phony certificate and then, you decide. I bet if you look at your own real birth certificate, you will also see the differences.

Also go to ForeignDocuments.com and click on the first article at top of list. It will take you to this site and then, just click on marriage licenses and scroll down a few pictures and there you will find a copy of the phony certificate. These certificates can be customized any way you want them. You decide!

I read in the news last month of a petition containing over 300,000 signatures requesting Obama release his supposed original birth certificate which apparently only he can do for $10. Does anybody out there know the status of this request? We cannot allow this fraudulent president any longer.

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Is Barack Obama a U.s. Citizen? Millions of people want to know.

Another day gone by, and he's still our President.

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Originally posted by mrmixitup:
Another day gone by, and he's still our President.

Sadly, you are correct.

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Originally posted by StaffSgtGraham:
I read in the news last month of a petition containing over 300,000 signatures requesting Obama release his supposed original birth certificate which apparently only he can do for $10. Does anybody out there know the status of this request? We cannot allow this fraudulent president any longer.

300,000 out of a U.S. population of 300,000,000 works out to 0.1 percent, or one out of a thousand people. This may be a working mathematical definition of "lunatic fringe."