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Originally posted by 23003657:
im guessing this entire thread is simply more CIA BS to throw anyone off the scent??

Anyone who thinks 19 men with boxcutters on 4 planes (supposedly) can pull off the greatest penetration of our nations defenses, when 40 yrs of cold-war yielded no such results by the Soviets are no different than the dumba*s ignorant livestock roaming the earth!

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by 23003657:
im guessing this entire thread is simply more CIA BS to throw anyone off the scent??

Anyone who thinks 19 men with boxcutters on 4 planes (supposedly) can pull off the greatest penetration of our nations defenses, when 40 yrs of cold-war yielded no such results by the Soviets are no different than the dumba*s ignorant livestock roaming the earth!

I see your new to the site, So Welcome. Us few tin foil hats as were called here can use the support, Its refreshing to see posts from people who still think for themselves. Your dealing with people who are either Conditioned, Part of counter information network, in denial, Or just plain Dumb. The scary part is They vote.

They actually believe or try to defend the premise that the Washington airspace could possibility be penetrated by an unauthorized A/C 90 mins after the nation is under attack, Tracked to target by the VP without a fighter being launched, a missile fired, or a shot fired
in defense of the most highly protected airspace
in the entire free world with multiple back up systems.

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Originally posted by 23003657:
im guessing this entire thread is simply more CIA BS to throw anyone off the scent??

Anyone who thinks 19 men with boxcutters on 4 planes (supposedly) can pull off the greatest penetration of our nations defenses, when 40 yrs of cold-war yielded no such results by the Soviets are no different than the dumba*s ignorant livestock roaming the earth!

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Originally posted by 23003657:

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Originally posted by john2x:

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Originally posted by 23003657:
im guessing this entire thread is simply more CIA BS to throw anyone off the scent??

Anyone who thinks 19 men with boxcutters on 4 planes (supposedly) can pull off the greatest penetration of our nations defenses, when 40 yrs of cold-war yielded no such results by the Soviets are no different than the dumba*s ignorant livestock roaming the earth!

I see your new to the site, So Welcome. Us few tin foil hats as were called here can use the support, Its refreshing to see posts from people who still think for themselves. Your dealing with people who are either Conditioned, Part of counter information network, in denial, Or just plain Dumb. The scary part is They vote.

They actually believe or try to defend the premise that the Washington airspace could possibility be penetrated by an unauthorized A/C 90 mins after the nation is under attack, Tracked to target by the VP without a fighter being launched, a missile fired, or a shot fired
in defense of the most highly protected airspace
in the entire free world with multiple back up systems.

The 9/11 attacks have already been proven to be a falsehood with respect to the official account of the collapses of the world trade center towers see www.911truth.org. The NIST report, the official Federal account of the collapses of the twin towers (WTC1 & 2) and WTC7 fudges its conclusion after years of research and testing by simply stating the point of collapse of the towers as "inevitable" and refusing to quantify it. Meanwhile the work of scientists such as Dr Steven Jones goes unpublicized.

The 9/11 commission was set-up to only confirm the conventional narrative that the attacks were carried out by 19 men with boxcutters, hijacking planes and committing suicide by flying them into buildings on 9/11/01. Any information, witnesses accounts that contradicted this was simply discarded, ignored and minimized and never made the final report.

The idea that our federal govt could even be remotely complicit in the murder of its own people in order justify a subsequent war of choice is too indescribable a horror to say out loud. I dont expect it to ever be officially re-visited.

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Originally posted by john2x:


See what I mean about the posters that have nothing to say so they make jokes about a serious disaster, and consider it patriotic, so just ignore them there part of the conditioned sheeple crowd where ignorance is bliss.

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Originally posted by john2x:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 23003657:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by john2x:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by 23003657:
im guessing this entire thread is simply more CIA BS to throw anyone off the scent??

See what I mean about the posters that have nothing to say so they make jokes about a serious disaster, and consider it patriotic, so just ignore them there part of the conditioned sheeple crowd where ignorance is bliss.

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No 2x, this response is pretty standard fare!. Its usually all they can do because there is no scientific fact they can draw on to back their "official story" fed to the American people!

Poor linedoggie - doesnt really have any balls or intellect so he'd rather just work for the money he's being paid, rather than than try and work towards telling the TRUTH!!

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
The Tumbleweeds show the brain waves of Truthers. Truthers are the most deluded lunatics on the planet.

Typical Truther:

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Originally posted by 23003657:

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
The Tumbleweeds show the brain waves of Truthers. Truthers are the most deluded lunatics on the planet.

Typical Truther:

Yeah...linedoggie...and while Dubya is chuckling to himself in retirement while Cheney is still fighting a rear-guard action, our finest and bravest are still dying for that ambitious foolhardy misadventure they led us into. They are war-criminals who should be brought to justice!.

Do you really think the President is going after the Gitmo torture shenanigans for nothing??. Justice will be at hand!

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Just as sure as day follows night, and sooner than you think if Patriots like yourself just continue the good fight.

The impact of the Indict Bush movement is growing daily.

Yesterday, the New York Times took the Obama administration to task for shielding Bush era officials and policies from the growing "public clamor for prosecuting those responsible" for torture, secret prisons and other criminal abuses.

It is the efforts of you and thousands of others that are creating this "public clamor" for prosecution.

It is highly significant that the Times warned the White House of the "danger of turning President George W. Bush's cover-up of abuses committed in the name of fighting terrorism into President Barack Obama's cover-up."

A monumental political confrontation is taking shape. Its outcome will impact generations to come.

On the one hand is the growing pressure on the White House from the CIA and Bush, Cheney and their cronies to back off prosecution for Bush era crimes.

On the other side is IndictBushNow and the broad movement that is an expression of the power of grassroots democracy in action. It is only the determined action of 'We The People' that has sustained the pressure for accountability. The New York Times editorial is a reflection of the actions of hundreds of thousands of people.

Bush is out there raising huge amounts of money to restore his image. What an outrage. Yesterday, he was paid somewhere in the range of $100,000 to make a motivational speech in Fort Worth. He said that while he was commander-in-chief "every day was joyous."

Joyous? One cannot help think about the victims of his torture regime, the one million Iraqi families that lost a loved one, the tens of thousands of soldiers and marines who died or suffered life-changing injuries in a war premised on lies and government deceit. One cannot help think about the millions of families who lost jobs and homes as the economy was looted and driven into the ground.

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Originally posted by LineDoggie:
The insanity is strong in this one.....

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Originally posted by john2x:
23003657
Posted Thu 29 October 2009 10:36 AM
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....and the cover-up continues!



The attempted cover up.

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The 9/11 Commission Rejects own Report as Based on Government Lies
Gordon Duff Salem-News.com

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?
The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11


Far to long and its time for truth at any cost
if this madness and race to the bottom is to stop. Were running out of time.

*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68_3rjp0Rkw
John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″

(CINCINNATI, Ohio) - In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version... is almost entirely untrue...

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.

Farmer, Dean of Rutger Universities' School of Law and former Attorney General of New Jersey, was responsible for drafting the original flawed 9/11 report.

Does Farmer have cooperation and agreement from other members of the Commission? Yes. Did they say Bush ordered 9/11? No. Do they say that the 9/11 Commission was lied to by the FBI, CIA, Whitehouse and NORAD? Yes. Is there full documentary proof of this? Yes.

Farmer states...“at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described …. The [Norad air defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years. This is not spin.”

The 9/11 Commission head, Thomas Kean, was the Republican governor of New Jersey. He had the following to say... “We to this day don’t know why NORAD [the North American Aerospace Command] told us what they told us, it was just so far from the truth. . . " When Bush's own handpicked commission failed to go along with the cover up and requested a criminal investigation, why was nothing done?

9/11 Commission member and former US Senator, Bob Kerrey, says, "No one is more qualified to write the definitive book about the tragedy of 9/11 than John Farmer. Fortunately, he has done so. Even more fortunately the language is clear, alive and instructive for anyone who wants to make certain this never happens again."

With the only "official" 9/11 report now totally false, where do we go from here? Who is hurt by these lies? The families of the victims of 9/11 have fought, for years, to get to the truth. For years, our government has hidden behind lies and secrecy to deny them closure.

In 2006, The Washington Post reported..."Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission..."

What does Farmer's book tell us? Farmer offers no solutions, only a total and full rejection of what was told and his own his own ideas concerning the total failure of honesty on the part of the government, a government with something to hide.

Farmer never tells us what. Nobody could keep a job in the public sector speaking out more than Farmer has. What were Farmer's omissions? There are some. Now that we know that intelligence given the 9/11 Commission wasn't just lies from our own government but based on testimony coerced through torture from informants forced to back up a cover story now proven false, a pattern emerges.


We know that, immediately after 9/11, many more potential suspects and informants were flown directly to Saudi Arabia by Presidential order than were ever detained and questioned. We will never know what they could have said. Their testimony would have been vital to any real investigation were they not put beyond the reach of even Congress and the FBI.

Putting aside all other questions of recent evidence of CIA involvement with bin Laden prior to 9/11 or altered physical evidence involving the Pentagon attack, any failure to call to account the systematic perjury committed by dozens of top government officials, now exposed as a certainty is an offense to every American.

What do we know? We know the conjecture about 9/11 still stands but for certain, we know we were lied to, not in a minor way, but systematically as part of a plot covering up government involvement at nearly every level, perhaps gross negligence, perhaps something with darker intent.

Are we willing to live with another lie to go with the Warren Report, Iran Contra and so many others? Has the sacrifice of thousands more Americans, killed, wounded or irreparably damaged by a war knowingly built on the same lies from the same liars who misled the 9/11 Commission pushed us beyond willingness to confront the truth?

Have we yet found where the lies have begun and ended? There is no evidence of this, only evidence to the contrary. The lies live on and the truth will never be sought. The courage for that task has not been found.

Can anyone call themselves an American if they don't demand, even with the last drop of their blood, that the truth be found?

How long have we watered the Tree of Deceit with the blood of patriots?