I'll try and help. The six stripes are a Master Sargeant, (E-7), the patch is Air Force Communications Command, HQed at Scott AFB. The three stripes were for a Sargent, (E-4). However, I don't know for sure if they still call them Sargent, it may be Senior Airman. I've been out for 15 years so I may be a little out of date.
So, I did some research and it seems the first uniform is a TSgt (Technical Sergeant). The next uniform is a SRA (Senior Airman). I was told this guy worked in postal.
Here is a link to the ranks that helped me determine rank.
The daddysoilder got the ranks right. Your link shows the current rank insignia, not what was in effect during the time period for the uniforms you posted. Count the number of stripes on the green fatigues and you'll find six stripes which is a master sergeant. A while back they changed the rank insignia to move the sixth stripe to the top of the insignia instead of the bottom. Back in the day, before they got rid of the buck sergeant rank, Amn, A1C and SrA all had the star on the insignia subdued to differentiate them from the NCO insignia. Since the star on the blue uniform is prominant instead of subdued, it belonged to a sergeant (buck).
The fatigues are for a MSGt of AF COMM Com, and the Ike jacket is an Airman First Class (pre-1965). The Ike was stricken from 35-10 in 1962 0r 1963 and a three-striper was an A1C until 1965 or 1966 (I know this because my dad was an A1C when I was born in 1963, and he was a three-striper at that time).
The fatigues are common, but the Ike is highly collectible...good find!
Originally posted by FlyingFortB17: The fatigues are for a MSGt of AF COMM Com, and the Ike jacket is an Airman First Class (pre-1965). The Ike was stricken from 35-10 in 1962 0r 1963 and a three-striper was an A1C until 1965 or 1966 (I know this because my dad was an A1C when I was born in 1963, and he was a three-striper at that time).
The fatigues are common, but the Ike is highly collectible...good find!
Thanks, the Ike is a great collectible. I went back the the estate to collect 3 more Navy dress coats. One is a longer style. I also found tan shirts.
The tans are 505/1505's...the long sleeved versions were out of 35-10 by maybe '63 or '64, but the short sleeved version was used until 1978 or 1979 (I remember that from when a high school friend's dad wore his on the last day they were authorized, and that was when I was a sophomore or junior...I can't remember which).
Great stuff guys. Since your on a roll I have this outfit. Sorry for the darker image I can take more if needed. It's made of a softer fabric both top and bottom (made of same material almost like cotton). The buttons are diferent as well copper / brass (not plastic)?? I want to say it is Korean era??
Added tidbit: The Ike jacket came back briefly around 1976-77 and was worn by Security Police working the gates. Also, the darker fatiques were worn in the 50's.
Sorry, but our fatigues didn't have brass or copper buttons. I was issued mine in 1954 well within Korean Conflict time. However our fatigues weredark until they were naturally bleached from washing (with a little bleach help).
I'll also add that we were issued coveralls instead of fatigues in the '5os. The fatigues shown with the crease in the legs were a no-no. Nobody in his right mind wore leg creases. Unless he was a pencil pusher. The khakis were long sleeved class A(with tie)or B (without tie) summer uniform and I'm not sure they were called 505s 0r 1505s. I seem to remember those coming in much later.
I believe most of the responses are correct but would like to add a comment or two. In re: the MSgt's fatigues, I don't remember the trouser front pockets being sewed as shown. The fatigues might have been made by a tailor in Korea, Japan or elsewhere. They could have also been bought from a commerical source. I used to buy mine from a company that advertised in the AF Times as they weren't as heavy as the ones from clothing sales. In fact, these look like the ones I used to buy, lightweight and a little sheen to them. I believe ALL 505s and 1505s were short sleeves, (class B) and with tie and Bush Jacket (and trousers or Bermuda Shorts and Knee Socks)they were Class A's. The long sleeved shirts are probably Khakis (a holdover from the Army) and were being issued at the Green Monster in 1957 and were phased out within a few years. The fatigues with the metal buttons with 13 stars were also avalable commerically, again I bought a couple pair in Springfield MA in the early 60s.The group of coats look like a couple of shade 1549 Blouse's with A1C/A3C stripes and the overcoat doesn't look like the old horse blankets we were issued, maybe a later version. If only you had a pair of the sage green fatigues we were issued in the late 50's. They didn't last very long, remember the external waist adjuster with the metal snap? Sure brings back memories after a lot of years of retirement.
A man from my own era I see. I don't remember wearing a tie with the 505 or 1505 uniform. I may be wrong. I cleared off Hickam and onto Travis in the mid'60s and no tie. When I joined in '54 the old Army AF unform could be worn with the blue and white stripes if still serviceable. I used to see a couple of guys at Amarillo dressed like that and thought they looked weird. In the late '50s we got bluish gray fatigues that had the largest legs known to humanity! You could literally take a couple of steps before these things moved! We also got a new fatigue cap, diferent from the Marine type we got in boot, that looked like the one Castro wore. After that was pointed out they were quickly dropped. I was in SAC at Whiteman at the time and those things mentioned could have been SAC or even Whiteman stuff, rather than AF. I never did find out as we SACumcised guys weren't allowed to mingle with regular AF types. Our nonchalance might have rubbed off, you know.
