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Originally posted by lstgnfghtr:
This thread is STILL going on?

Good Lord.

And just remember that you said "Travis sucks" when they PCS you to Minot.

No Lake Berryessa, no Lost Isle (if you aren't old enough to go, you just wouldn't understand), no Kirkwood or Boreal in Minot.

But I don't fault you for tying to fix a problem that has been identified as being such.

Minot was actually #1 on our dreamsheet coming back stateside from Guam. Instead, we've been at Little Rock for almost nine years...

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You are voting for Obama, aren't you...?

No. I can grasp what leadership and experience are.... Don't get me started on THAT particular O-word.....ugh.

I don't see how meals from the flight kitchen just slowly disappear... Are you not asking for them and assuming they would get them for you?

It's also YOUR job to inform them that you are on meal card and want a meal... not for it to be sitting there when you come in.

I tend to side with Schubeck. When your stateside at your homebase that's when you should get the best treatment. Box lunches and cold sanwiches are deployment and in flight kind of meals. Just sounds like upper level management at Travis just looks at schedules and never leaves their office to check on the airmen except to tell them to suck it up. I'm still courious why no one at Travis has came back to dispute any of these claims. Maybe they are just so busy at the ramp at Travis that they don't have any time at all to read any of these posts about denying the mealcard holders the basic needs of food. But maybe food isn't necessary at Travis maybe they can get the job done with just superior leadership and judgment.

Maybe leadership doesn't spend their days reading forum posts here at Military.com.


...and 2T2, what could Minot offer that lovely Jacksonville doesn't already have for you? Certainly they can't compare in transportation technology.

Heck...just look at the on/offramps to 67/167...

...a work of civil engineering GENIUS, I tell ya!

(I'll be back there in December just in time to slide off of one of said on-ramps on some black ice, so I'll quit talking smack...we still need to have that/those beer(s) before I leave in March, Wx and Mx permitting)

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Originally posted by GeneSchubeck:
IDEA! Why don't some of you so called "leaders" that have troops not getting fed take some work weight off their shoulders so they can get chow? I have, in the past, gone without chow so my troops could go eat. You want to be a leader, take care of your troops. Mission first, sure, I bet the guys saying that got their chow.

This all boils down to poor leaders that don't give a crap about their troops.

Not to mention some folks on this thread jumping on a bandwagon after hearing only 1 side of the story. Something so called "leaders" know to avoid.

I beleive that everyone here would be very interested in hearing the other side from anyone at Travis (anyone in the work area being discused that is). I've been at Travis myself back in the 80's and I was one of those guys on a mealcard and we always seemed to get the guys fed but back then the chow hall opened at 0430 in the morning.

OK I'm at Travis working on the ramp and sad to say what the kid says is true. You've got leadership with the mindset "Hey when I was an Airman I had to deal with the same thing". You have a civilian pretty much running the show and him being retired AF and using this job to just get his foot in the door for civil service and find something else on the base he doesn't care about these guys on a mealcard. It's a great example of the single guys getting screwed.

I was at Travis today...and I must say that that has to be the WORST excuse for Chinese food in that food-court.

HORRIBLE.

And I paid 7 freakin' bucks.

Off topic, but close enough.

I should stick with the Mexican joint (Hecho in Mexico) right off Parker by the Gas Station...much better food for less than the DOG FOOD I had today on post.

That's the life as a porter...

Even now, as a SSgt, there's times when I don't get to eat lunch/dinner because of work.

We're a busy breed, look at MX, SFS, CE, many of those people don't get to eat everytime meals come around.

Not bashing the guy, but it's a way of life on the flightline. Impossible to drop what you're doing and go to chow because our job is important.

The problem was not the fact that the guys on the mealcards were missing their meals it was the fact that they were being forced to pay out of pocket (base pay) for their meals. If you are a SSGT and on BAS who cares you get your reimbursement these guys on mealcards are just getting shafted. There is such a thing as partial BAS if you know that your guys can't get certin meals because of work schedules but that would involve a little effort on someones part evidently that's to much for the Travis crowd.

This is embarassing for the AF. Denying these guys the simple basics and then they have to pay for meals out of their own base pay. That's pretty sad. You sign up for 3 hot's and a cot they should at least get that. Those meals at the food court add up to quite a bit especially for a new airman making E-2 and E-3 pay. And how long has this thread been on here is this a record.

Work on the flight line and you would understand...

There's scheduled planes... loading/downloading fixing the planes... You can't drop what you're doing and just go eat like a lot of desk jobs.

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Originally posted by segedeth:

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Originally posted by GeneSchubeck:
IDEA! Why don't some of you so called "leaders" that have troops not getting fed take some work weight off their shoulders so they can get chow? I have, in the past, gone without chow so my troops could go eat. You want to be a leader, take care of your troops. Mission first, sure, I bet the guys saying that got their chow.

This all boils down to poor leaders that don't give a crap about their troops.

Not to mention some folks on this thread jumping on a bandwagon after hearing only 1 side of the story. Something so called "leaders" know to avoid.

One, it's a discussion forum. I can say what I like. If you have a problem with it, you know where to put it. Two, I've been in the same boat, different job, on getting screwed on chow.

OK Lovecheese I think we have all done some time on the flightline I did 4 years of it mainly in Dover and Saudi. It was hard work and we got screwed out of meals and had to pay out of pocket stateside also but we got a 1st shirt in that took some action and actually got us paid for those meals we were missing. He ****ed off some zeros in the process but he got it done. His code was never ask anything of your troops that you would not do yourself. He would even run out and help with SWAT if guys needed to get some chow. Some of us leave the AF and try other branches of the service and that's fine also. But the main thing is you got to take care of your guys or your going to lose them and they are all you have to work with.

I totally agree with having to help your younger troops... That's why I want to become someone high ranking.

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Originally posted by GeneSchubeck:

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Originally posted by segedeth:

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Originally posted by GeneSchubeck:
IDEA! Why don't some of you so called "leaders" that have troops not getting fed take some work weight off their shoulders so they can get chow? I have, in the past, gone without chow so my troops could go eat. You want to be a leader, take care of your troops. Mission first, sure, I bet the guys saying that got their chow.

This all boils down to poor leaders that don't give a crap about their troops.

Not to mention some folks on this thread jumping on a bandwagon after hearing only 1 side of the story. Something so called "leaders" know to avoid.

One, it's a discussion forum. I can say what I like. If you have a problem with it, you know where to put it. Two, I've been in the same boat, different job, on getting screwed on chow.

The intent of my statement was to incite critical thinking, not to invite personal attacks. Sorry you took it that way.

I too have missed more meals than I can count over the years. I am sure this young man is being completely honest in his complaint. This does not negate the fact that it is still only 1 side of the story, from 1 person's viewpoint, on a discussion forum.

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I too have missed more meals than I can count over the years. I am sure this young man is being completely honest in his complaint. This does not negate the fact that it is still only 1 side of the story, from 1 person's viewpoint, on a discussion forum.

If he is being completely honest, why should the other side of the story even matter...

Compared to my service as an NCO in the Marines and Army, the AF is horribly lacking in leadership. Before I joined the AF, there was a Marine/Army practice of, if your troops don't eat, you don't eat. And, the leaders eat after the troops. This problem the kid is having is a big no-no in the troop leading arena. His leaders a flat out wrong.

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Originally posted by GeneSchubeck:

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I too have missed more meals than I can count over the years. I am sure this young man is being completely honest in his complaint. This does not negate the fact that it is still only 1 side of the story, from 1 person's viewpoint, on a discussion forum.

If he is being completely honest, why should the other side of the story even matter...

Compared to my service as an NCO in the Marines and Army, the AF is horribly lacking in leadership. Before I joined the AF, there was a Marine/Army practice of, if your troops don't eat, you don't eat. And, the leaders eat after the troops. This problem the kid is having is a big no-no in the troop leading arena. His leaders a flat out wrong.

Are his leaders eating?

I'm sure he'll say they are... but at Travis... inflight is open 24/7... Go there before work and grab a meal... Shoot, back in the day, Inflight use to be thrown in with fleet which made it even easier to get food since it was with in the squadron.

I always send my airmen to get food before I get any, unless I bring my food to work. Though, I work ATOC so no one in my shop lives in the dorms...