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Anyone,

I was on board a C5 in July 1989 traveling from Alaska to Camp Gruber, OK. We had a hard landing and/or crashed on landing. There were several Army helicopters damaged/destroyed during this incident.

Where can I obtain any information on the accident? I've already tried the Army Safety Center, only to be told they have "no record" of it happening...

I've since tried the AMC FOIA Officer, only haven't received any response...

Thank you in advance for any/all help!

Sean
 
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Not sure you will get acess to it. The Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland would be your best source for info, but it is still likely privelaged information. Give them a call, but I doubt you will get any help.
 
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Not sure you will get acess to it. The Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland would be your best source for info, but it is still likely privelaged information. Give them a call, but I doubt you will get any help.
HQ AMC Safety office would be his best bet. ot sure how much information he could get at this time as most would be buried in an archive someplace by now. It would be the cost of going through the boxes to find the box the reports are in.
 
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Thank you both for the information. I'll see what I can do...

Sean
 
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All safety investigations are stored in a safety database called AFSS. Headquarters AMC safety might have a copy of the report, but HQ AMC is not responsible for maintaining these documents. All flight safety investigation board reports are maintained by the Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland AFB. They are the ones responsible for all flight safety for all majcoms in the Air Force. Like I said though, the infromation is privelaged and not releasable to the general public.
 
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All safety investigations are stored in a safety database called AFSS. Headquarters AMC safety might have a copy of the report, but HQ AMC is not responsible for maintaining these documents. All flight safety investigation board reports are maintained by the Air Force Safety Center at Kirtland AFB. They are the ones responsible for all flight safety for all majcoms in the Air Force. Like I said though, the infromation is privelaged and not releasable to the general public.


What's the worse they could tell me? No? I've got to try, as it pertains to my VA disability rating...

Thanks again!
 
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Your Congressman and Senators should be able to help you wade through the red tape.
Thats part of thier jobs.
You can also file a freedom of information request.
Faster results with your congressman or senator.
Send a letter asking for help. Send it certified return reciept. That way they know that you know they received it and on what day and who signed for it.
 
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Thank you for your response.

"caninedale" really hooked me up! I've contacted Kirtland AFB and immediately received the "mishap report". They're looking for the full accident report and manifest now...
 
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Glad it worked out for you.
 
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I hope with the report and manifest that will be enough.
I faught with the VA for an increase in disiblity rating for quite awhile.
Medical records and my statements just were not enough. I had to get statements from my employeer, co-workers, and then my old military friends that were around when I had my accidents.
After about 2 years my rating was increased from 40% to 90%.
Makes a big difference.
Good luck to you.
 
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We're hopeful that won't be the case. They originally rated me 80% 2 weeks ago. They deferred 2 ratings pending additional documentation. Hopefully it will suffice...
 
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The incident you refer too would have been on 31 July, 1983 when C5A 670446 landed short at Shemya AFB Alaska. The aircraft sustained damage to it's lower fuselage, main landing gear, cargo floors and cargo doors. After 2 months of repairs, the aircraft was flown back to Dobbins for permanent repairs.

In your medical report, it might be important to file the correct year and month, might be something they investigate!!
 
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The incident you refer too would have been on 31 July, 1983 when C5A 670446 landed short at Shemya AFB Alaska. The aircraft sustained damage to it's lower fuselage, main landing gear, cargo floors and cargo doors. After 2 months of repairs, the aircraft was flown back to Dobbins for permanent repairs.

In your medical report, it might be important to file the correct year and month, might be something they investigate!!


Actually Jon, the accident on 19 JUL 89 was at Davis Field in Muskogee, OK. I've finally received a copy of the AF Mishap Report. However, I'm still waiting on the full accident investigation report and flight manifest... Hopefully they'll be able to help me out.

Thank you for the reply though...

Sean
 
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The incident you refer too would have been on 31 July, 1983 when C5A 670446 landed short at Shemya AFB Alaska.
This brings back memories. I was the PJ Team Leader on the HC-130 that escorted that C-5 when it was flown from Shemya AFB Alaska to the repair facility in the lower 48.. That C-5 was significantly damaged and needed all kinds of FAA and other government waivers to include restricted airspace corridor flight paths along its route to the repair facility.
 
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