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So im a senior in highschool and plan on goin to college then joining the airforce as an officer but ive always wanted to be a loadmaster but since i have decided to be go officer is that job still availabe ?
thanks in advance and sorry for tha **** grammar im in a hurry |
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Loadmaster is an enlisted job only.
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Yeah, if you are going to be an officer, read up on some books by Richard Marcinko so you will get an idea of what a true leader is supposed to do. ROTC will not teach you anything other than how to march. If there is one thing career NCO's do not like is a brand new butter bar LT trying to act like they know everything after four years of partying in college. Try telling an E-7 who has deployed 30 times in his career, what to do....good luck!
Listen to the enlisted folks, take care of the ones in your unit and lead from the front. Do those things and your enlisted folks will take care of you. Don't and your career could be squashed. |
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Enlisted members are the bread and butter of any LT's learning curve. Throw them out and pretend you know it all is a sure course to crash.
The officers I like the most are the prior enlisted officers b/c they seen both sides of the world. |
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"Flying in the Golden Triangle." "Has Been 3" |
Whatever you do elephantsoup12, is not to listen to comments like this quote above. This guy doesn't know what he's talking about. That's coming from a Been There Done That. I recommend you brush up on your grammar, your typing skills, and worry about ROTC, if and when you get accepted. http://www.afrotc.com/admissions/genReq.php Study the above website, go to your nearest college or university with AFROTC, and speak with the admissions officer. They'll guide you on requirements. The skills you learn from four years of ROTC training will give you the confidence to be an Air Force officer and manager. "VIA UNA COR UNUM" |
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"Flying in the Golden Triangle." "Has Been 3" |
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Axe_grinder, Five posts on this Forum and you're already a know-it-all. I'd tread lightly, if I were you. Never know who's ire you're going to raise. Maybe you should try reading the TOU for disruptive posts. Better yet, maybe you should remember you're on active duty and you never know who's reading these Forums. Someone could always be an ROTC grad in your squadron. MOD's have access to who you are! "VIA UNA COR UNUM" |
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I hope you were joking about the Richard Marchinko part. That guy is absolutely what you don't want to be. Refresh my memory as to why he was tossed in jail. Oh yeah, he couldn't keep his mouth shut about classified stuff. Better yet he put it in a book, thus jepordizing the lives of his fellow SEALS he professes to love so much. The guy was a joke as an officer and most of what you read in his books is pure fiction. Talk to someone who knew him at the time and you will hear the truth. |
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I'm a little late to this thread, but I didn't see anything wrong with Axe_grinder's post. Enlisted are the heart and soul of every branch. He's speaks the truth that your enlisted can make and break your career. Your profile shows four years of military service. Axe_grinder has two and a half times that and you last served almost 30 years ago...hardly able to talk smartly about TODAY's Air Force. No need to worry about anyone finding out who you are when you're not saying anything inflammatory against the military or the CINC. That portion of your comment showed your lack of military experience/knowledge. |
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I have almost 13 years of military service, 11 of it in the Air Force with 3 of that as a TSgt. I have since crossed over to the Army as an officer and I will say Axe_grinder's post is way off. Marchinko is mainly a fiction writer and in no way an example of what an officer should be (he is an example of what not to do). A better example is Major Winters, from Band of Brothers fame who also wrote his own autobiography which is a model of what an officer should be. New LTs certainly don't know everything, but it is their job to make the final decision and tell the E-7 what to do. His post contradicts itself, he states a LT shouldn't tell a SNCO what to do, but should lead from the front. If you can't give orders you can't lead. |
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Ok, some of what he said was right. Officers need to listen to take care of and listen to their NCOs. The officer is definitely in charge in most situations. However, the Air Force is quite different from the Army. While a Lt may sit in a position of authority, it's the SNCO's giving the direction in most instances. Unless that Lt is a prior enlisted officer, their four or less years of experience doesn't even come close to that of a SNCO who will often be as educated if not more educated then that Lt. We have a couple relatively new Lt's in my flight. Neither one of them could lead their way out of a paper bag let alone lead a group of people. That's not a problem though because they can rely on the NCOs to help them. As much as many officers don't want to admit it, the NCOs they work with early in their careers can set them down the right path to success in the military. |
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Are you planning to get your degree in __________ then apply for officer candidatcy or are you planning to go to a school that offers an AFROTC program? As an Accessions recruiter I can tell you right now unless you are going to be completing your degree through an AFROTC program your going to be hard up getting accepted into OCS/OTS unless you are pursuing a degree in Nursing,Electric Engineering,Bio Engineering, Weather, etc. You simply wont be competitive other wise. 67% of the officer corps comes from the Enlisted side. This number may have changed slightly last I checked but not much I assure you. If loadmaster is want you truly want then do that. Once you complete your degree using the Air Forces 100% tuitions assistance then you can apply for comissioning through any of the dozens of Enlisted comissioning programs the Air Force offers. At that point you can have your cake and eat it too. Just my opinion. Mitch |
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if you become an officer please, please try to squaash the BONEHEAD stigma by not being that BONEHEAD. the officers, not all but a lot, are just a bunch of boneheads and need to be pushed in a hole. if it were not so difficult i would recommend going enlisted first then cross over so you can see both sides. unfortunatey as i said it is difficult to do that now. good luck in your your choices and as was said earlier take care of your guys and they will not ruin your career. later
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Best officers are the ones that were enlisted prior to becoming officers. They understand better that before you become a leader, you have to be able to be led. A concept which too many officers don't grasp.
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