It is for us, we have a memorandum aigned by general wade saying we are authorized to wear it. i have to carry the damn thing around so that pogs on our cob do not give us any crap about it. better than wearing the stupid stapler patch for the unit we are supposedly "attached" to.
Yea 160th was forced to take on a 185th guideon so we got screwed on that one. But I wanted to find out about the 40th or 79th thing, and that got answered. So thanks to all your input. And I get another patch when I get home from Iraq. Wonderful(sarcastic)
You guys should be authorized to wear the 16th patch and the 30th too since that is the one they gave us in the ceremony. As far as the 81st patch goes, I will never wear it as my SSI-FWTS. This whole brigade is a joke and has done nothing but **** all over the non organic companies (pretty much everyone at Q-west) since this deployment started. I hate to sound bitter, but that is pretty much the way it is.
The War Raven is the authorized unit patch for the 1-185AR(CAB)which despite being a CA unit falls under the 81st HBCT from WA. The 1-184IN augmentees are attached to the 1-185AR to plus up its numbers for the current mission. You deployed with the 81st HBCT not the 40th/79th IBCT and that determines your combat patch - barring an exception to policy. I don't know what is going on at Q-West but the 1-161IN(CAB) has established an outstanding operational reputation all the way up to MNC-I. If you are from a combat arms MOS I would think a combat patch from a BCT would be prefered to a patch from a Sustainment Brigade(16th). If you choose not to wear the patch of the unit you deploy with at least have the common sense not to bad mouth it on a public forum.
Yea we got both the 16th and the 30th, but were informed we can't wear either one. So a number of us won't wear one at all. Anyway we know the next deployment is coming up. So we can wright the wrong then.
As far as bad mouthing the 81st goes, I am just stating my opinion. I do not know what your specific situation is but we have little and or nothing to do with the 81st other than we fell under them at McCoy and that we wear their patch. They put every unit not organic to them in one place, and under command of another brigade. I don't exactly know how things work when a brigade deploys, I am just telling you how I see it. If we fall under you guys, can we have some of your promotion slots then? Because there are lot of good people here who are getting screwed out of promotions and schools, because technically, we still fall under California, not Washington. So as far as the whole being attached to the 81st goes, I have a different viewpoint. And I an ALARCT that stated you can wear your parent unit patch, regardless of who you are deployed with or attached to, as long as your are deployed as a company or higher. If i am wrong, well than so be it. I just refuse to wear the patch of a unit that has little and or nothing to do with us this entire deployment. Personally, I will never wear that Raven patch as a combat patch--EVER and guess what? that is my right. Me and quite a few other people will either be wearing their original, or nothing at all. As BigFLO said, looks like I will have to wait until the next deployment.
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I had an opportunity to speak to the BC of the 185AR at McCoy and was told that two COs of the 184IN were used to cross-level the 185AR to DMD end strength. Based on that, you should not have been deployed as a seperate 184IN unit. Did the situation change? As far as promotions, the 185AR should be working that piece on behalf of the 184IN personnel. They are a CA unit and organic to the 81st. Schools are pushed from your CO TNG NCO to BN - again the 185AR. All opportunities available to WA units are available to the 185AR because it is one of the organic maneuver battalions of the 81st HBCT. All of the BNs of the 81st were OPCONed to other BDEs for this SECFOR mission. The only BCTs that remain pure are those with a full spectrum mission (Battlespace Owners). I respect your point of view regarding the SSI-FWTS. When the 79th IBCT deploys you may find me in the 1-18CAV. I am currently in the 1-161IN(CAB) and proud of what this unit has accomplished in its second deployment in four years.
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Infidel, I meant no disrespect towards you or the men in your battalion, all of the guys I have met from the combat arms battalions seemed squared away and professional. I wish I could say the same for some of the other people here at QWest, but in my experience that doesn't seem to always be the case. I guess just a lot of people here are frustrated about the way this deployment went. Our commander fought so that we could come under our original guidon and as an infantry company, because apparently the 185 was going to send us under a different guidon. As far as promotions go, I see a lot of people here not in the 184 getting promoted, but as i stated before, we seemed to have gotten shorted on promotion slots because the DMD is set as a 2 platoon company, there isn't any slots open for e5 or e6 promotions in our state. I think you are right that maybe it isn't so I shouldn't shoot the blame so high up. Again I apologize, I didn't mean to offend you or your unit, I was just venting my frustrations.
Well...i think the whole patch thing was settled for us the other day when we were told we can only wear the stapler patch...again my disagreement in this lies because we haven't taken a single mission from them this whole deployment, we have been doing missions for the 16th sustainment brigade...but...someones ego probably got bruised when they saw our whole company wearing our home unit patch as a SSIFWTS when he came to "visit" us the first time this deployment. I understand the whole unit pride concept, but why not let the companies who came here have some unit pride and wear their parent unit patch as a SSIFWTS? I see and know a lot of companies that have done it, why are we being the exception? Who knows. So looks like i will just have to wait until after this deployment to wear it or whatever patch it gets changed to.
